New Member, PLEASE help. I have only a few days.

[Dynamit]

Hi. I'm a new member here, and I would really appreciate your knowledge. I have been going out with my girl for 7 years and its time for us to get married. New Years Eve is our anniversary and I would love to make a propasal to her, so I'm very limited in time.
I've read tons of posts in the past few weeks, but still can't figure it out completely. I have a budget of $5K for a round shaped stone. I want it to be as close as possible to 1ct., but of course with the rest best 3Cs (cut, clarity, color) possible so there are no visible imperfections.
I know its not a big budget, but thats the best I could do right now. As I understood, the best prices are online, but if somebody knows a place in North NJ with GIA rated stones that are similar priced to online, I would appreciate it. I want to pay in cash so that my girl won't find out since we have united bills. If not, please help me find a perfect rock on internet thru one of those whiteflash, bluenile websites. I'm getting lost when it comes to higher specs.

In advance, I'm really thankfull for all the help.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I'd say it is about time!

You can order from an online vendor by wiring money or sending a cashier's check, so it wouldn't have to go through your normal bank accounts. It will be faster to get a quality diamond ring online since finding them in regular jewelry stores is like looking for a needle in a haystack. But you need to order right away!

I am going to give you some links, and if you are interested in one, try to reserve it immediately because good buys tend to disappear and one in particular is going to fit that category. Settings at WF are 12% off right now, so that is good! The price of the stone will determine what you can do for a setting, but do you have any idea of what kinds of settings she likes? (Do you mean the $5000 is for just the diamond or both diamond and setting?)

 

[minmin001]

Hi. I'm a new member here, and I would really appreciate your knowledge. I have been going out with my girl for 7 years and its time for us to get married. New Years Eve is our anniversary and I would love to make a propasal to her, so I'm very limited in time.
I've read tons of posts in the past few weeks, but still can't figure it out completely. I have a budget of $5K for a round shaped stone. I want it to be as close as possible to 1ct., but of course with the rest best 3Cs (cut, clarity, color) possible so there are no visible imperfections.
I know its not a big budget, but thats the best I could do right now. As I understood, the best prices are online, but if somebody knows a place in North NJ with GIA rated stones that are similar priced to online, I would appreciate it. I want to pay in cash so that my girl won't find out since we have united bills. If not, please help me find a perfect rock on internet thru one of those whiteflash, bluenile websites. I'm getting lost when it comes to higher specs.

In advance, I'm really thankfull for all the help.

what's your budget for the setting and is there any style that you are looking for? for a halo setting it will make the diamond looks alot bigger than it is so a 3/4 ct diamond will look great in it~

 

[0-0-0]

I'd say it is about time!

You can order from an online vendor by wiring money or sending a cashier's check, so it wouldn't have to go through your normal bank accounts. It will be faster to get a quality diamond ring online since finding them in regular jewelry stores is like looking for a needle in a haystack. But you need to order right away!

I am going to give you some links, and if you are interested in one, try to reserve it immediately because good buys tend to disappear and one in particular is going to fit that category. Settings at WF are 12% off right now, so that is good! The price of the stone will determine what you can do for a setting, but do you have any idea of what kinds of settings she likes? (Do you mean the $5000 is for just the diamond or both diamond and setting?)

+1

BGD is also offering special discounts on signature stones and settings until the 15th: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/special-offers/

And it looks like they have 2 0.8 ct G colors that fall within your budget:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.807-G-SI1-Round-Diamond-AGS-104055121023
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.822-G-VS2-Round-Diamond-AGS-104055121018

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Well, I don't know if you are still around but these were my choices for you from WF:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2728120.htm $4691 and a plain solitaire setting

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/6-prong-tiffany-style-solitaire-engagement-ring-582.htm

or

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2728086.htm $4163 an excellent buy and would leave $800 for a setting if $5000 is the total for the ring.

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/legato-sleek-line-solitaire-engagement-ring-728.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/full-of-surprises-solitaire-engagement-ring-477.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/contemporary-tiffany-style-solitaire-engagement-ring-1416.htm

 

[milton333]

I'm going to chime in to agree with those recommending a .8ish stone. IMO, you might go as low as H color and SI1 clarity to maximize your size, with an excellent to ideal cut.

Maybe this diamond: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.823-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104055417001,,, with this setting: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/six-prong-solitaire-14k-white-gold-5351w14

If you can do the wire price and fudge your budget just a bit, maybe $250-300ish, you may be able to grab the diamond above with one of these settings:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/tapered-tiffany-style-half-round-18k-white-gold-5540w18
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/classic-truth-solitaire-18k-white-gold-5369w18
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/classic-tiffany-style-half-round-18k-white-gold-5478w18
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/classic-tiffany-style-knife-edge-18k-white-gold-5336w18
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/pave-and-side-stones/the-valentine-micro-pave-1-18k-white-gold-5688w18

FWIW, I have a .818 H SI1 super-ideal cut diamond (cut by Brian Gavin, actually, before he left Whiteflash), and it faces up very white and beautiful.

 

[Dynamit]

Setting I dont really worry about. I was thinking of some elegant simple look. SOme suggestiongs is exactly what I would get. In worst case scenario I could buy one locally and attach the stone. My biggest concern is the stone itself. $5k is for the stone.

You showed me some .8 cts, is there anyway to move it up closer to 1ct or would they have visible imperfections in that price range?

By the way, how does bankwire work? Do I need to use my bank account or I could just come to any bank and transfer money over?

 

[0-0-0]

Setting I dont really worry about. I was thinking of some elegant simple look. SOme suggestiongs is exactly what I would get. In worst case scenario I could buy one locally and attach the stone. My biggest concern is the stone itself. $5k is for the stone.

You showed me some .8 cts, is there anyway to move it up closer to 1ct or would they have visible imperfections in that price range?

By the way, how does bankwire work? Do I need to use my bank account or I could just come to any bank and transfer money over?

IMO it's almost always safer, quicker, and less costly to buy the stone and setting from the same vendor.

For me, I don't see a memorable size difference between 0.8 and 0.9 ct. Well cut 0.9 ct stones are relatively rare and hard to find as well. At 1 ct there is a huge price jump.

Both ways are possible, it's best to contact your bank and ask about the specifics.

 

[milton333]

Setting I dont really worry about. I was thinking of some elegant simple look. Some suggestions is exactly what I would get. In worst case scenario I could buy one locally and attach the stone. My biggest concern is the stone itself. $5k is for the stone.

You showed me some .8 cts, is there anyway to move it up closer to 1ct or would they have visible imperfections in that price range?

By the way, how does bankwire work? Do I need to use my bank account or I could just come to any bank and transfer money over?

Keep in mind that carat is a weight. The actual dimensions of an ideal-cut 1 carat round diamond are around 6.4 millimeters in diameter (across at the widest point). The dimensions of the .823 diamond that I linked for you are an average of 6.02 millimeters in diameter.

Pull out a ruler and look at the centimeters. Each of the smaller marks is a millimeter. Now imagine the difference of 4/10s of a millimeter. That's the difference in size between .823 and 1 carat.

The difference in price, for similarly-cut stones, is nearly $4,000. Here's an H, SI1 (lower clarity grade) 1 carat ideal cut from the same diamond-cutter as my .823 H VS2 above: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.007-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-1040376130004

The advice we typically give is to prioritize cut and size. What a woman really wants in a diamond is sparkle, flash, life and fire. You want a very well-cut diamond. Beyond that, you want a stone to be eye-clean and not obviously tinted. An ideal-cut diamond tends to face up whiter than a poorly-cut diamond, because it is collecting and reflecting back mostly all of the light that enters the diamond.

You can't get an ideal-cut 1 carat stone on your budget. I would not recommend compromising on the cut to get a larger diamond. I'd compromise a bit on color and clarity. The actual difference in size on her finger is going to be pretty minor between .8ish and 1 carat, as noted above. But the difference between a flashy, sparkly, brilliant ideal cut and a poorly-cut larger diamond is going to be very obvious.

ETA: A .9 carat ideal-cut round diamond is going to be around 6.2 mm in diameter, so you're talking about 2/10s of a diameter jump at each step from .823 to .9 to 1 carat. IMO, even if you could find .9 options, it's not going to be worth the price jump to get 2/10s of a millimeter more than what you can easily find within your budget at .8ish.

 

[marchesa6989]

ok here we go! the first 2 are 0.9 but they face up quite well and score 0.90 G SI2 $4490 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1371160.asp
0.90 G SI2 $4490 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1438957.asp

in case you were wondering about twinning wisps here is some info i gave to another member: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/newbie-engagement-ring-help.168987/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/newbie-engagement-ring-help.168987/..[/URL]. scroll down for some pictures too.

now under $5000 it is hard to get anything that is closer to 1ct unless we go down to I1. here is one that i found that James Allen said might be eye clean:
1.06 H I1 $4180 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-I1-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1442558.asp

what i would suggest is asking James Allen to get their gemologist to review which of these are eye clean and to advise you on their recommendation. also ask for idealscopes so we can check the light return and performance of the diamonds.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

marchesa, my daughter has an SI1 diamond with twining wisps and I agree that it can be a good inclusion. But I have also read on here somewhere that you do have to be careful because too many can affect light return or the brilliance of the stone (as can clouds). I am also not certain that they are 100% eyeclean all the time. So I am a little more hesitant to recommend SI2 diamonds unless the vendor can evaluate the specific stone.

Dynamit, the stones I am seeing in the G-H VS2-SI1 range at .90 carats are generally over $6000, so you'd have to go down in color and/or clarity as Marchesa has shown you to get to .90 at $5000.

 

[marchesa6989]

marchesa, my daughter has an SI1 diamond with twining wisps and I agree that it can be a good inclusion. But I have also read on here somewhere that you do have to be careful because too many can affect light return or the brilliance of the stone (as can clouds). I am also not certain that they are 100% eyeclean all the time. So I am a little more hesitant to recommend SI2 diamonds unless the vendor can evaluate the specific stone.

sure DS...of course each stone needs to be evaluated individually and that's why i always tell people to get their vendor to confirm its eye clean

but many vendors have told me SI2s with twinning wisps are 99% of the time eye clean. so that's what i'm basing my advice on. that's the caveat - everyone should always get each stone evaluated!! you can't just buy based on one picture and a cert!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

marchesa, my daughter has an SI1 diamond with twining wisps and I agree that it can be a good inclusion. But I have also read on here somewhere that you do have to be careful because too many can affect light return or the brilliance of the stone (as can clouds). I am also not certain that they are 100% eyeclean all the time. So I am a little more hesitant to recommend SI2 diamonds unless the vendor can evaluate the specific stone.

sure DS...of course each stone needs to be evaluated individually and that's why i always tell people to get their vendor to confirm its eye clean

but many vendors have told me SI2s with twinning wisps are 99% of the time eye clean. so that's what i'm basing my advice on. that's the caveat - everyone should always get each stone evaluated!! you can't just buy based on one picture and a cert!

Yes, we definitely agree! Thanks!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

If you are looking for a good stone at budget, you will have to turn to vendors with Virtual inventory.

check

http://www.szul.com/diamonds/gia-certified-1ct-round-diamond-h-si2/19329205 - 4,576.60 (Wire price)

http://www.szul.com/diamonds/gia-certified-1ct-round-diamond-h-si2/17038790 - 4,826.50 (Wire price)

There are many other Virtual vendors, check
https://www.pricescope.com/featured-sponsors/

and with the return policy, its not a risk for the price benifit.

Also check with james allen as per recommendations from marchesa6989 as they have price match, may be they will match the price.

Okay, you accused me of liking stones that were deep (because I prefer 60-62.3) and stones with small tables (because I like the range of 54-58 with a preference for 55+) and the first stone you posted has a 54 table and a depth of 63.4??? Diameter is 6.32X6.34 when a well cut round 1 ct. is 6.4-6.5mm.

 

[slg47]

If you are looking for a good stone at budget, you will have to turn to vendors with Virtual inventory.

check

http://www.szul.com/diamonds/gia-certified-1ct-round-diamond-h-si2/19329205 - 4,576.60 (Wire price)

http://www.szul.com/diamonds/gia-certified-1ct-round-diamond-h-si2/17038790 - 4,826.50 (Wire price)

There are many other Virtual vendors, check
https://www.pricescope.com/featured-sponsors/

and with the return policy, its not a risk for the price benifit.

Also check with james allen as per recommendations from marchesa6989 as they have price match, may be they will match the price.

Okay, you accused me of liking stones that were deep (because I prefer 60-62.3) and stones with small tables (because I like the range of 54-58 with a preference for 55+) and the first stone you posted has a 54 table and a depth of 63.4??? Diameter is 6.32X6.34 when a well cut round 1 ct. is 6.4-6.5mm.

Virtual stones are often less expensive but come with a lot less information...it is up to you how much information you feel that you need to make an informed and comfortable purchase

 

[why2not]

My advice (since you are on a tight schedule) is to drive to the city and look at stones yourself rather than risk ordering/returning/ordering stones online. Good Old Gold on Long Island has some great stones in house at internet pricing. There are several other vendors in the region who would likewise take care of you without you ever worrying about feeling ripped off.

 

[rubybeth]

Not sure if anyone has pointed out that Whiteflash has 12% off a setting when you buy an ACA or Expert Selection diamond:
http://www.whiteflash.com/promotions/special-offer-from-whiteflash.aspx

You could go with a simple classic tiffany style setting: http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/4-prong-tiffany-style-solitaire-engagement-ring-580.htm
The legato sleek line is a favorite of mine: http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/legato-sleek-line-solitaire-engagement-ring-728.htm

With a .8 stone: http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2728109.htm I really think the .8 stones are your best bet for staying within budget. There's a .81 H VS2 at Whiteflash but I don't think the $500 difference is worth it for .01 in carat weight when visually they are the same face up size.

With Whiteflash, Brian Gavin, Good Old Gold, etc. they have upgrade policies (read each policy to be sure) so you could bump up to a full carat once your budget allows.

Edited to add: I'm not sure what's up with these newer posters telling you to go to the diamond district or that you must go to NYC. Many people on PS have thousands of posts and years of purchasing with online vendors. We wouldn't mention vendors we wouldn't use ourselves! My engagement ring is from Whiteflash and I am very happy with it.

 

[Dynamit]

Thanks. The reason why I dont want to go to diamond district is that I dont have enough knowledge in diamond purchasing. I've bought a few earrings and necklaces here and there from chain stores, but my purchases were judged strictly on looks and price. In NY, there are a lot of scam artists going on and I thought that GIA Rating is not common for diamonds in the stores. Additionaly, as I understood, there are better deals online so why send me to the store? I would like to look at the stone with my own eyes, but at the same time in the store after looking at so many of them, internet purchase is easier.
I would just like your help to choose a stone. I understand metric system since I was born and raised in Europe, but what I dont get is why everybody buys stones around 1ct (judging by pictures of beautiful hands) and at the same time there is no visible difference between .8 and 1cts other then additional $5,000. Shouldn't everybody just buy .8s and save $$$? Its either I'm missing out on something or people just waist there money.
Yet again, if a good .8 stone is around 5k wouldn't it be smarter to buy a .75 and save additional 1k. This way you will end up with no stone.
You gave me so many different stones and vendors that now I'm totally confused. They all look the same to me. The only thing I understood is before the purchase to ask them to make sure that stone has no visible defects.

 

[Dynamit]

What do you think about these:

1) http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1443271.asp
2) http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1443270.asp

Is this a good deal or I could find something better?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

What do you think about this stone http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1443271.asp

Is this a good deal or I could find something better?

A .90 is definitely a good option! That one does not have the GIA report, though, so it is hard to tell. It is definitely worth asking them for an idealscope or ASET (and for the GIA report). I think they will provide you with a maximum of three idealscope images.

There is a visible difference between .80 and 1.0. But I agree that a stone in the .90 range is a great value and can save a lot of money without too much of a sacrifice in size!

 

[Dynamit]

Diamondseeker2006, so out of .9cts that I posted, which ring is a better value?
Could you recommend me other ones for similar price that are better?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

The .90 looks a little better, but the picture of the other one just may be worse. You can ask for idealscope images and for GIA reports for both and we'll be able to tell you if either is worth buying. Stones in the .90 range are hard to find, so these might be your best bet. I looked at several vendors last night and don't recall any. These may not be in their in-house stock and that may be why they didn't show up on my search. But they can get the images for you.

 

[milton333]

I would just like your help to choose a stone. I understand metric system since I was born and raised in Europe, but what I dont get is why everybody buys stones around 1ct (judging by pictures of beautiful hands) and at the same time there is no visible difference between .8 and 1cts other then additional $5,000. Shouldn't everybody just buy .8s and save $$$? Its either I'm missing out on something or people just waist there money.
Yet again, if a good .8 stone is around 5k wouldn't it be smarter to buy a .75 and save additional 1k. This way you will end up with no stone.
You gave me so many different stones and vendors that now I'm totally confused. They all look the same to me. The only thing I understood is before the purchase to ask them to make sure that stone has no visible defects.

It's the same reason that people spend triple the money to get an internally flawless diamond, when you can't see flaws in a VS1 with the naked eye. People have a lot of magic thinking surrounding diamonds, and some cultural beliefs and perceptions. 1 carat is a "magic" number, it's a status thing. People will buy a 1 carat square-cut diamond, even though it faces up as small as a 1/2 carat round. They hear "1 carat" and think it means "big." People also buy J-K-L colored diamonds at the mall. People buy big, lifeless diamonds with visible flaws. People aren't all as educated as we're trying to help you to be.

All I can tell you is what I've already told you. A diamond should sparkle and flash - it should have great light performance. You want the most sparkly, lively diamond you can get on your budget, without totally sacrificing on size, color, or clarity.

Here's the cold reality, diamonds and gold have gone up in price A LOT in the last few years. What we're trying to explain to you is that you want the best-cut diamond you can afford, and your budget will not allow that to be 1 carat. You're stretching it to get to .9 carats - this will require a compromise on cut, color, or clarity.

You can comfortably afford an ideal cut diamond in a near-colorless grade that is eye-clean, at about .8. And we're trying to reassure you that there's not a huge visual difference between .8 and 1 carat. I'm not exaggerating when I say that the difference between comparable diamonds from .8 to 1 carat can be $4,000.

So, here's my quick advice on diamond shopping. I like AGS as a grading laboratory, it's stringent, so you're really getting a G color if that's what the cert says. AGS also certifies round diamonds for light performance - that's the sparkle and flash. An AGS 0 (ideal) for light performance is going to be a beautiful diamond. Symmetry, polish, perfect hearts & arrows, those are of lesser importance. Get a diamond certified for ideal light performance, and you'll have a beautiful diamond.

Also consider buying from a vendor that allows upgrades, and for an amount less than double the price of the original diamond. For a future anniversary, you may want to get a larger diamond, especially if you can't get everything you want now.

 

[Gypsy]

Look an ideal cut .8 is facing up at 6 mm. At 1 carat you are looking at 6.5. So there IS a visual difference. And to some it is a BIG one.

BUT the majority of diamonds out there aren't ideal cut and because of either deep cutting, OR poor light return MOST 1 carats available at most jewelry stores either ARE or LOOK much closer to 6 mm than 6.5.

What we are saying is... that we don't think the visual difference is worth 5K IN YOUR CASE since you would be getting a .8 that would look as big as most 1 carat stones on the market and bigger than most other .8 stones.

Especially since you can get a stone with an upgrade policy and get the money you spend today back toward a larger stone later if you want to, and if you decide that 1 carat mark is important to you or your lady.

Yes, if you had the budget a carat would be a nice round number to hit. But you don't and we don't think you should do the hokey pokey to get .5mm of size in a stone right now. And aren't going to advise you to do that.

 

[rubybeth]

...but what I dont get is why everybody buys stones around 1ct (judging by pictures of beautiful hands) and at the same time there is no visible difference between .8 and 1cts other then additional $5,000. Shouldn't everybody just buy .8s and save $$$? Its either I'm missing out on something or people just waist there money.
Yet again, if a good .8 stone is around 5k wouldn't it be smarter to buy a .75 and save additional 1k. This way you will end up with no stone.
You gave me so many different stones and vendors that now I'm totally confused. They all look the same to me. The only thing I understood is before the purchase to ask them to make sure that stone has no visible defects.

I'm sorry you're feeling overwhelmed with options. I'm sure we can help narrow it down, or additional information from the vendors will help to narrow it down. The reason most people buy a 1 carat diamond is probably so they can say it is a "one carat diamond." But I would wager that most people also have NO IDEA that a 1 carat round brilliant that is well cut should be 6.5-6.7mm.

Like Gypsy said, you'll probably see more poorly cut 1 carat diamonds than super bright, sparkly .8 or .9 carat stones, since most guys probably just walk into Jared/Kay/Helzberg and say, "I want a one carat diamond," instead of doing their research like you are. You're spending the time needed to educate yourself and get your girlfriend the best possible diamond for your budget, and I think there's a lot more to be said for that than buying something "off the rack," so to speak, that hits some "magical number" that is basically meaningless to most people, anyway.

Right now, I have a .55 carat stone, so a .8 or .9 would be HUGE to me. I'm hoping my eventual upgrade will be in that ballpark. Most people are probably just going to ooh and ahh over how lovely the diamond is, and if it's .9, you can say it's "about a carat" if anyone asks.

 

[ame]

I don't know how far you are from Long Island but GOG is a great option if you're willing to make the trek. We flew up there and took a train out and I cannot wait to go back. If you give them a couple days warning they can work with you on getting some stones in your budget to look at and then maybe you can have them ship the finished ring to you.

 

[Dynamit]

Thank you everybody!
Those .9 stones that I posted are not in their inventory. They are virtual and it would be a head ache to get them tested.
I have decided to go with a .8 stone like you sugested so if you find any other ones that are good, please post. Should I get AGS or GIA tested?

 

[Gypsy]

Thank you everybody!
Those .9 stones that I posted are not in their inventory. They are virtual and it would be a head ache to get them tested.
I have decided to go with a .8 stone like you sugested so if you find any other ones that are good, please post. Should I get AGS or GIA tested?

Either GIA or AGS lab reports are reliable. AGS's cutting standards are stricter and going with an AGS stone with 0 for light return is a nice no-brainer... makes shopping for a nice stone easy, whereas GIA's Ex/Ex is broader and and include some less desirable stones. So personally with your time constraints I would just say stick to AGS 0 .8 stones.

 

[Gypsy]

I like this one: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.807-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104055121023 and this one: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.823-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104055417001

 

[diamondseeker2006]

The stones we are recommending are already graded by GIA or AGS. I posted these a day or two ago:


http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2728120.htm $4691

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2728086.htm $4163 an excellent buy

These are similar to the H stone Gypsy posted from BG. One is more expensive and one is less expensive, so you really could make the choice by deciding on a setting and getting the diamond from the same vendor.