Need your valued opinion

[ci2ybaby]

Hi, I''ve been reading this forum and everyone seems very educated and would be able to give me some advice.

I''m looking to purchase a:
1.01 ct Round Brilliant
Ideal Cut
SI(1)
G color
6.54-6.58 x 3.84 mm
Polish and Symmetry: Very Good
No Flourescense

Price of stone = $7000

Any thoughts?

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 6/7/2006 10:18:37 PM
Author:ci2ybaby
Hi, I''ve been reading this forum and everyone seems very educated and would be able to give me some advice.

I''m looking to purchase a:
1.01 ct Round Brilliant
Ideal Cut
SI(1)
G color
6.54-6.58 x 3.84 mm
Polish and Symmetry: Very Good
No Flourescense

Price of stone = $7000

Any thoughts?

Not with such limited information. You need a lot more (which I''m sure you''ve seen in reading the forum).

At minimum: depth, table, crown angle, pavilion angle, girdle info, etc, etc. Graded or not? If yes, by whom? You need more information.

 

[ci2ybaby]

Sorry, I don''t remember exactly what the depth, table, crown angle, pavilion angle are...but I remember two numbers were 37 degrees and 53%?

Girdle: Thin
Graded by IGI

 

[JulieN]

It''s very overpriced.

 

[ci2ybaby]

Would you say in the ballpark of $5000 is more reasonable?

 

[jaz464]

I would say stay far away from IGI

 

[blueroses]

Hey there,

Welcome to PS!!! If you haven't read the tutorial above I'd check it out b/c it's got tons of valuable info, especially about RB like you are looking for.

I think the previous comment was saying that 7k was overpriced for that particlar IGI stone. Do a PS search above and you can see what the price range might be.


ETA: I was too vague. Stick with GIA or AGS.

 

[ci2ybaby]

Hey thanks. I got them to lower the price to $4720.

IGI Graded
1.01 ct RB
6.54-6.58 x 3.84 mm
SI1
G
Ideal cut
V. Good polish/symmetry

Table 59%
Depth 56.1%
Girdle - Thin
Flourescense None
Crown Height 13.4%
Crown Angle 33.7 degrees
Pavillion Angle 40.7 degrees

What do you think?? It''s way below the PS quotes and Rapaport List. I know you are going to say IGI is not as good as GIA, but I will get it independently appraised.

 

[JulieN]

switch the depth and table.

In addition, you should be price comparing to EGL-USA stones or H SI1 GIA stones.

 

[ci2ybaby]

what do you mean switch the depth and table

 

[JulieN]

I mean it''s impossible to have those numbers, and you meant 59% depth and 56.1% table (right?)

 

[Mara]

It's NOT impossible to have those #'s...there are some stones out there with much larger table than depth, although these angles would seem to not really suppor that here, though the spread IS alot more than the typical 1c, so this could be a very spready stone, so maybe the 60/56 IS correct after all. My very first stone had a 62 table and 57 depth.

also i think the numbers as posted could be correct because depth is typically a decimal and table is not. though the HCA says the girdle is too thin to consider this stone if the numbers ARE as posted.

 

[Mara]

Date: 6/10/2006 7:17:55 PM
Author: ci2ybaby
Hey thanks. I got them to lower the price to $4720.

IGI Graded
1.01 ct RB
6.54-6.58 x 3.84 mm
SI1
G
Ideal cut
V. Good polish/symmetry

Table 59%
Depth 56.1%
Girdle - Thin
Flourescense None
Crown Height 13.4%
Crown Angle 33.7 degrees
Pavillion Angle 40.7 degrees

What do you think?? It''s way below the PS quotes and Rapaport List. I know you are going to say IGI is not as good as GIA, but I will get it independently appraised.

Wow so they dropped $3k off the asking price of the stone? That''s almost a 50% discount. That would raise some red flags for me...and why was it priced so high to begin with?

I don''t know if your table and depth are switched or what, but as it is, I wouldn''t buy this stone. If they ARE switched, it would be alot more of a desirable stone for sure, but I would definitely get it appraised at an independent appraiser if you do get it. Good luck.

 

[JulieN]

Mara, you''re right that table is usually two sig figs and depth is three sig figs, and that it is possible to have a 56 depth or a 60 table. However, that specific combination of numbers is impossible.

 

[ci2ybaby]

thanks for your help. actually i may have read the certificate wrong...i think it should be

depth 58%
table 59%

 

[Mara]

Date: 6/10/2006 7:35:03 PM
Author: JulieN
Mara, you''re right that table is usually two sig figs and depth is three sig figs, and that it is possible to have a 56 depth or a 60 table. However, that specific combination of numbers is impossible.

How do you know this?

 

[JulieN]

Do you have Diam Calc? You will not be able to resolve those numbers.

 

[whatmeworry]

3.84 mm depth divided by 6.56 mm diameter = 58.5% depth

 

[JulieN]

Date: 6/10/2006 7:36:13 PM
Author: ci2ybaby
thanks for your help. actually i may have read the certificate wrong...i think it should be

depth 58%
table 59%

bingo. that combination, surprisingly...is right on the AGS-0 and GIA EX border, scoring .9 TIC HCA

 

[Mara]

Date: 6/10/2006 7:39:03 PM
Author: JulieN
Do you have Diam Calc? You will not be able to resolve those numbers.

Now that makes much more sense...I didn't think you were psychic.

How did you get DiamCalc?

 

[Mara]

Date: 6/10/2006 7:36:13 PM
Author: ci2ybaby
thanks for your help. actually i may have read the certificate wrong...i think it should be

depth 58%
table 59%

I would not be interested in a stone like that but it does not mean it could be lovely. It''s more a spready BIC type stone...larger table than depth, it should be very bright in terms of white light return, but you may lose fire in some lighting situations. Have you SEEN the stone? What do your eyes think.

I would personally keep looking but not sure what your parameters are.

 

[JulieN]

actually...i don''t have diam calc, but I knew because of the total depth...whatmeworry was right on. You can get DC from Garry, I thnk.

 

[ci2ybaby]

sorry, yes that is what i did. so how is a scoring of .9 HCA ?? how about the price, $4700?

 

[JulieN]

it's a .9/1.0 TIC (Tolkowsky Ideal Cut,) which is a bit of a sweet spot...all "excellent"s for light return, fire, scintillation, and spread.

I think you could get them to drop a little more...maybe 4.2-4.5K, but it looks good.

 

[ci2ybaby]

sorry for the confusion...maybe this will help...

 

[Mara]

whatmeworry, thanks for doing the calc for us...julie and i seem to be speaking to each other in tongues.

Original Poster: I'll repeat this again. Have you SEEN the stone? What do your eyes think.

 

[ci2ybaby]

hehe lol sorry...YES!! I have seen the stone and OMG is it gorgeous! I would want a larger stone but this one is great in terms of "sparkle" and clarity. Literally see nothing to my untrained eye under 10x loupe...under 30x magnification - see one inclusion.

 

[JulieN]

You love it and there are no problems with the "numbers;" I guess the only thing is to see if they could drop it to 4.5K

Question: is this a mall store, and if so, which one?

 

[ci2ybaby]

yea i knew that ques was coming next. we went to Kay Jewerly. i kno they are not the most reputable though, but i plan to rely more on insurance than their stinky store warranty.

 

[Mara]

well it sounds like if your eye likes it and you plan to get it double checked out independently to ensure that all is as it should be, then why not...the price at $4700 seems reasonable!