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Hi Everyone... Please help, I am so confused, need to make the decision by this weekend. Finally down to these two stones.



The price difference between the first ACA diamond and second Expert Selection diamond is $800 (Diamond 1 is little smaller but VS1 and ACA Heart and Arrows). I was told that ES Diamond2 narrowly missed the ACA mark.



Q.. Is there any difference when you see with naked eye between VS1 and VS2?
Q.. Will I see a big difference between these two diamond sizes?
Q.. Diamond 1 has only Crystal and Diamond2 has Crystal and Cloud? What that really mean?
Q.. The HCA score for ACA Diamond1 was 1.1 and for ES Diamond2 was 1. I thought ACA was suppose to be a better cut?
Q.. Is it worth spending extra $800 for an ACA diamond? Specially when the HCA on the ES Diamond2 is better than ACA Diamond1. I know color is VS1 for ACA but it is a little smaller as well. Any thoughts?

Finally, I am picking the Royal Crown Vatche Design in 18K with Platinum Heads. What do you think of this setting?

** PLEASE HELP ME DECIDE ** Thanks for all you wonderful guys and gals.

Diamond 1) 1.117 ct G VS1 Whiteflash ACA Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Diamond

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2192291.htm#

Report: AGS
. Shape: Round
. Carat: 1.117
. Depth %: 61.7
. Table %: 56
. Crown Angle: 34.7
. Crown %: 15.2
. Star : 52
. Pavilion Angle: 40.7
. Pavilion %: 42.9
. Lower Girdle %: 78
. Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
. Measurements: 6.65-6.68X4.11
. Light Performance: 0
. Polish: Ideal
. Symmetry: Ideal
. Culet: Pointed
. Fluorescence: Negligible


Diamond 2) 1.174 ct G VS2 Expert Selection Round Cut Diamond

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2212172.htm#

. Report: AGS
. Shape: Round
. Carat: 1.174
. Depth %: 61.3
. Table %: 55.8
. Crown Angle: 34.7
. Crown %: 15.4
. Star : 56
. Pavilion Angle: 40.7
. Pavilion %: 42.9
. Lower Girdle %: 78
. Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
. Measurements: 6.79-6.82X4.17
. Light Performance: 0
. Polish: Ideal
. Symmetry: Ideal
. Culet: Pointed
. Fluorescence: Negligible
 
Between the 2, you will probably not see the difference in size, color or clarity.

Some VS2 might have visible inclusions so ask WF if this stone is eye-clean just to be sure.

HCA is not a selection tool, and lower score do not automatically equate to a better cut.

ACA is just the hearts and arrows stone of WF, the ES might have missed the H&A mark by being slightly non-symm optically.

Might be visible difference between the ACA, ES depending on what kind of off optical symm it is, probably not in most cases.
 
Thanks Stone-cold11.

WF told me both of these stones are eye clean. So, you think, it is better to save the $800 and get 1.174 stone as I will not be able to see the Hearts from below once it is mounted on the ring. Both of these stones have arrows and they are visible from the table.
 
i would personally go with diamond 2 and save the 800 bucks.
 
I would probably go for the ES stone.
 
Q.. Is there any difference when you see with naked eye between VS1 and VS2? No.

Q.. Will I see a big difference between these two diamond sizes? No.
Q.. Diamond 1 has only Crystal and Diamond2 has Crystal and Cloud? What that really mean? With Vs diamonds is doesn''t really matter in my opinion.
Q.. The HCA score for ACA Diamond1 was 1.1 and for ES Diamond2 was 1. I thought ACA was suppose to be a better cut? HCA is a rejection tool, scores under 2 are worth considering further, cannot tell more than that about cut.
Q.. Is it worth spending extra $800 for an ACA diamond? Specially when the HCA on the ES Diamond2 is better than ACA Diamond1. I know color is VS1 for ACA but it is a little smaller as well. Any thoughts? HCA scores under 2 are equally good, so eliminate that difference, size difference is negligible, so eliminate that. Does the ES qualify for the upgrade nd buyback policies?
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Date: 4/3/2010 7:25:48 PM
Author:chawlam


Hi Everyone... Please help, I am so confused, need to make the decision by this weekend. Finally down to these two stones.





The price difference between the first ACA diamond and second Expert Selection diamond is $800 (Diamond 1 is little smaller but VS1 and ACA Heart and Arrows). I was told that ES Diamond2 narrowly missed the ACA mark.





Q.. Is there any difference when you see with naked eye between VS1 and VS2? Probably not if the VS2 is verified eyeclean from all angles.
Q.. Will I see a big difference between these two diamond sizes? No and especially not when set.
Q.. Diamond 1 has only Crystal and Diamond2 has Crystal and Cloud? What that really mean? These are just the inclusions that are responsible for the clarity grades.
Q.. The HCA score for ACA Diamond1 was 1.1 and for ES Diamond2 was 1. I thought ACA was suppose to be a better cut? ACA are Whiteflash's signature cut, don't go by the HCA for diamonds of this calibre especially when they have supporting images, the HCA is a rejection, not selection tool. A lower score is not better than a higher one, basically all scores below 2 are considered equal pending further evaluation and this is then done with images.
Q.. Is it worth spending extra $800 for an ACA diamond? Specially when the HCA on the ES Diamond2 is better than ACA Diamond1. I know color is VS1 for ACA but it is a little smaller as well. Any thoughts? See above.
bove.


Finally, I am picking the Royal Crown Vatche Design in 18K with Platinum Heads. What do you think of this setting?

** PLEASE HELP ME DECIDE ** Thanks for all you wonderful guys and gals.



Diamond 1) 1.117 ct G VS1 Whiteflash ACA Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Diamond

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2192291.htm#



Report: AGS
. Shape: Round
. Carat: 1.117
. Depth %: 61.7
. Table %: 56
. Crown Angle: 34.7
. Crown %: 15.2
. Star : 52
. Pavilion Angle: 40.7
. Pavilion %: 42.9
. Lower Girdle %: 78
. Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
. Measurements: 6.65-6.68X4.11
. Light Performance: 0
. Polish: Ideal
. Symmetry: Ideal
. Culet: Pointed
. Fluorescence: Negligible




Diamond 2) 1.174 ct G VS2 Expert Selection Round Cut Diamond

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2212172.htm#



. Report: AGS
. Shape: Round
. Carat: 1.174
. Depth %: 61.3
. Table %: 55.8
. Crown Angle: 34.7
. Crown %: 15.4
. Star : 56
. Pavilion Angle: 40.7
. Pavilion %: 42.9
. Lower Girdle %: 78
. Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
. Measurements: 6.79-6.82X4.17
. Light Performance: 0
. Polish: Ideal
. Symmetry: Ideal
. Culet: Pointed
. Fluorescence: Negligible
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As to which to pick, it depends on whether you want to pay the extra for the ACA or whether you are happy to go for the ES and save the money, both are great stones.
 
Dreamer_D:: They both are eligible for an upgrade.
 
Lorelei: Which one will you pick if both are eye clean. Pls give your personal preference?

Thank you all.... :)
 
Date: 4/4/2010 8:41:25 AM
Author: chawlam
Lorelei: Which one will you pick if both are eye clean. Pls give your personal preference?

Thank you all.... :)
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My personal preference is for the ES.
 
I prefer the vatche royal crown.

You can actually buy that from WF as WF is an authorize dealer of vatche and save some trouble.
 
Date: 4/4/2010 10:47:38 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
I prefer the vatche royal crown.

You can actually buy that from WF as WF is an authorize dealer of vatche and save some trouble.
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I do too and yes WF should be able to arrange that setting for you no trouble.
 
Date: 4/4/2010 11:23:31 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/4/2010 10:47:38 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
I prefer the vatche royal crown.

You can actually buy that from WF as WF is an authorize dealer of vatche and save some trouble.
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I do too and yes WF should be able to arrange that setting for you no trouble.
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Ditto!
 
The royal crown...I would go with the ES also and save the bucks!
 
Thank you all. I am going with ES diamond with Royal Crown setting.
 
Date: 4/5/2010 1:31:53 PM
Author: chawlam
Thank you all. I am going with ES diamond with Royal Crown setting.
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I think you made a great choice - congratulations!!!
 
Good luck. :)
 
Date: 4/5/2010 1:31:53 PM
Author: chawlam
Thank you all. I am going with ES diamond with Royal Crown setting.
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Excellent choices! Here''s a pic of a 1.57 ct stone that I''m getting that''s in a platinum Royal Crown setting. Mine''s just a bit larger than your''s so you can get an idea what it looks like. Are you getting yellow gold?

LWSideways-450.jpg
 
Here''s another pic that I swiped from the vendor''s website.

LW-Up-400RC.jpg
 
I am going with 18K yellow gold with platinum prongs. Does anyone has the same setting for Royal Crown Vatche in this color?

Looks like Tiffany Knife Edge makes your diamond looks bigger and has more finished look. Do you think my diamond will look good in Yellow gold Royal Crown Vatche or Tiffany Knife Edge Setting?

Hand-Tiffany2.jpg
 
Date: 4/5/2010 4:28:00 PM
Author: chawlam
I am going with 18K yellow gold with platinum prongs. Does anyone has the same setting for Royal Crown Vatche in this color?

Looks like Tiffany Knife Edge makes your diamond looks bigger and has more finished look. Do you think my diamond will look good in Yellow gold Royal Crown Vatche or Tiffany Knife Edge Setting?
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I''ve got a 1.1 in that same Tiffany setting. It''s nice, but can''t compare to the Vatche IMHO. Here''s a link to a pic of it in YG.

http://store.jrdunn.com/product-p/va00119ypjrd.htm
 
Beautiful. Congrats. I have to second you on the help you got from everyone here. I came here blind and now I can see.... diamonds!
 
Date: 4/5/2010 4:28:00 PM
Author: chawlam
I am going with 18K yellow gold with platinum prongs. Does anyone has the same setting for Royal Crown Vatche in this color?

Looks like Tiffany Knife Edge makes your diamond looks bigger and has more finished look. Do you think my diamond will look good in Yellow gold Royal Crown Vatche or Tiffany Knife Edge Setting?
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I think the 6 prong Tiffany would be better for that size of diamond. The Royal Crown is best for 7mm or/ 7.5mm and up, I think, because it puts a lot of metal around the stone. There is a picture in the Eyecandy thread or SMTB forum of something like a 1ct RB in the Crown, with YG shank and platinum of WG head.

here:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/vatche-royal-crown-from-winfields-and-good-old-gold.129028/
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/infinity-princess-cut-1-20-k-vvs2-med-blue-fluor.128592/

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https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/vatche-royal-crown-from-winfields-and-good-old-gold.129028/
 
LOL- I was just considering your diamond number 2- I think it''s a great deal and a really nice diamond. Also- in this case I think the bigger size will be more impressive than the H&A and VS1- they are both beautiful but I vote #2!! Better hurry before I buy- just kidding I''m not..
 
I agree with HVVS. I actually prefer 4 prongs for diamonds under 1.5ct.
 
So for 1.174ct diamond, you are saying that the Royal Crown Vatche will not look so great as compared to Tiffany Knife Edge.
Please give me your thoughts. Appreciate all your help..
 
If that is a 1 carat in the royal crown that HVVS posted it doese look a little metal heavy around the prongs.
 
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