Need thoughts on this Transitional Stone

[chupiechow]

Hello,

These are the only pics I have so far. Seller said it is a 2.42 K VS1 Transitional price is 12k. No feathers or chips and she said it faces up white. Before I go any further I wanted to get some opinions. I know the pics aren't great, but from what you can tell do you think I should move forward and thoughts on the price?
Thanks

 

[Gypsy]

What I can see is that it's BIG and that I ADORE THAT SETTING! What I can't see is the faceting and in a stone of that size it would be key to determine if it IS indeed a transitional or if it is an early RB because some of the early round brilliants are that great, but a lot of transitionals were pretty awesome.

 

[chupiechow]

Thanks Gypsy. I am going to speak with the seller today. If it is a transitional do you think 12k is a good deal from a pawn shop?

 

[kennedy]

Have you seen this? Don't know how you feel about Ebay, but this seller has 100% feedback and the stone looks like it has potential maybe??
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-26ct-K-VS...tDomain_0&hash=item2eb8ef4a4a#ht_14134wt_1390

 

[olympia776]

Have you seen this? Don't know how you feel about Ebay, but this seller has 100% feedback and the stone looks like it has potential maybe??
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-26ct-K-VS...tDomain_0&hash=item2eb8ef4a4a#ht_14134wt_1390

Very pretty ring! I also have purchased from this seller - very prompt courteous and I also had one return that went extremely smoothly.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

wow chupie, that setting is gorgeous!! Does your seller have a return policy?

 

[Circe]

Thanks Gypsy. I am going to speak with the seller today. If it is a transitional do you think 12k is a good deal from a pawn shop?

Ditto to Gypsy on her answer in its entirety (great setting, great size), and, though I'm not her, I'd say if it is a transitional with an attractive cut, yes, that's a great price! But I would want the sale to be conditional on it appraising as a K, VS1. Pawn shops can vary in terms of their policies - what are these guys like?

 

[chupiechow]

They have a 10 day return...but the seller did not get back to me today so I will have to wait until Monday.

 

[chupiechow]

Hello, here are two more pics they sent today. Now she is calling it an OEC with a closed cutlet, what does that mean?

 

[Mayk]

The setting is beautiful.... love it...

 

[diamondseeker2006]

That is a killer setting, but the stone doesn't look like OEC to me. I'd probably order just to see, though. I assume a closed culet means that it is pointed rather than having the open culet that OEC's have.

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

Is there any paperwork with the ring/stone? Who in your area would be a reliable appraiser?

ETA: here is a stone with an open culet--look in the center of the stone....looks "open" vs. pointy/closed...

http://www.oldworlddiamonds.com/detail.php?ID=1701&SHAPE=EU

cheers--Sharon

 

[chupiechow]

No paperwork comes with it. I live in Pittsburgh and since this is my first diamond purchase I am going to have to find an appraiser before I purchase it.

 

[chupiechow]

Thanks Sharon.....I see what you are saying....not to mention that is a much nicer looking stone!

 

[canuk-gal]

Thanks Sharon.....I see what you are saying....not to mention that is a much nicer looking stone!

You are welcome!

What is their exact return policy? 100% refund--what are the stipulations? I think the ring warrents further investigation--by an appraiser. Can you check in your area, who might be able to help you professionally?

cheers--Sharon

 

[Gypsy]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-26ct-K-VS1-Art-deco-Antique-Estate-european-Diamond-platinum-/200671185482?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb8ef4a4a#ht_14012wt_1390 I think this one has a lot of potential and is one you should consider.

 

[Gypsy]

It's probably much closer to O-P than K though, the ebay one.

 

[chupiechow]

Well I ordered it and it arrived yesterday. It sparkles like crazy but my pic is no better than the ones they took....it's driving me crazy!

 

[Dreamer_D]

IMO A lot depends on the grading and the cut being confirmed. In the pics it looks much much more tinted than a K, and also I think it is not an OEC, probably not a "transitional" either (the term is overused). The setting is older but the cut of the stone looks at least as modern as 1940 based on the crown etc. Because the setting and the stone have mismatched eras I would be extra cautious about making any assumptions about its age!

ETA: Sorry, kids were going for nap and I couldn't finish my thought Because this is your first diamond I want you to be extra sure to cover your bases. All diamonds look pretty and sparkly. But I have noticed a lot of sellers use the term "tansitional" and even "OEC" to name you run of the mill early round brilliants and poorly cut modern RBs. I want to make sure you have bought a stone for a fair price, which is why you need to check the color asap. A poorly cut generic RB that is M-N color would cost so much less than a K VS1 OEC. So get a good appraiser who knows antiques on your side!

 

[chupiechow]

Dreamer I do believe you are correct that it is an early brillant. I paid 11k for it but I am going to send it back. When I look at it it's like I can't see into the diamond or see the facets. Not because it's cloudy but I am guessing because it is poorly cut. Thanks for he advice. Time to move on....I would love to find an antique cushion but that seems impossible!

 

[Gypsy]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-26ct-K-VS1-Art-deco-Antique-Estate-european-Diamond-platinum-/200671185482?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb8ef4a4a Warmer than listed, I'm sure. But the faceting is stunning, it's got good clarity, and the size is fabulous plus the setting is quite flattering to the diamond and beautiful on it's own.

It's got a return policy as well. It's worth the risk, if you like it, IMO.

There is also this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Platinum-Sapphire-and-3-25ct-Diamond-Ring-/380233302176?pt=US_Fine_Rings&hash=item5887abc0a0

 

[chupiechow]

Thanks Gypsy! I did think about the first one you posted but it shows too much color. I really didn't want to go below a J if possible.
but thanks!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Thanks Gypsy! I did think about the first one you posted but it shows too much color. I really didn't want to go below a J if possible.
but thanks!

Good decision to send it back.

How did you feel about the color of the one you are returning? IMO it is much more tinted than J, so if you did not mind the tint you might not mind it in another stone.

Tell us your budget and your desired specs. We will help you find something!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Dreamer I do believe you are correct that it is an early brillant. I paid 11k for it but I am going to send it back. When I look at it it's like I can't see into the diamond or see the facets. Not because it's cloudy but I am guessing because it is poorly cut. Thanks for he advice. Time to move on....I would love to find an antique cushion but that seems impossible!

I'm not sure what you mean by "can't see into the diamond" but perhaps you mean it is dark? A well cut antique stone will show light play accross its whole face. You may or may not be able to "see" the facet pattern specifically, but you will see the chunky flashes off all the facets.

 

[pregcurious]

Hello, here are two more pics they sent today. Now she is calling it an OEC with a closed cutlet, what does that mean?

The culet refers to this: http://www.whiteflash.com/about-diamonds/diamond-education/what-is-the-diamonds-culet.htm
OECs typically have an open culet, or a culet facet. That's why when you look at an typical OEC from the face up position, you can see a circle in the middle.

There is a round diamond here with a very large culet in this post:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/omc-vs-cushion-which-would-you-choose.113840/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/omc-vs-cushion-which-would-you-choose.113840/[/URL]

 

[vintagelover229]

I just wanted to chime in here and say that I understand what is happening with your ring (I think!).

My set is vintage from circa 1930. It was sold as a transitional as well but we suspect it's a late transnational since it looks more like a modern RB with the faceting. My stone is a bit shallow (still displays arrows) but I do see some light leakage in places and the stone photographs horribly in most cases (I've gotten a few good ones-see attached for comparison). At first I was disappointed since I love OEC's and a good cut tranny but my stone sparkles like crazy and when I don't view it from a critical PSer point of view (not saying that we are critical-but we notice these things and most non-jewelry people won't). I looked at it from a "what I would change" instead of WOW that is one BEAUTIFUL ring (which I do now since it's SOOOOO pretty!).


All's I'm saying is if you feel like you paid a fair price and you LOVE the ring-even if it's probably a late tranny/RB (the leakage makes them harder to photograph even though they sparkle A LOT). Mine bc of the leakage makes it appear like it has black inclusions in parts and some photos But I just remember that I know how beautiful it is-even if that doesn't translate well to photos!


I can't wait to see more

 

[Amys Bling]

Thanks Gypsy. I am going to speak with the seller today. If it is a transitional do you think 12k is a good deal from a pawn shop?

Ditto to Gypsy on her answer in its entirety (great setting, great size), and, though I'm not her, I'd say if it is a transitional with an attractive cut, yes, that's a great price! But I would want the sale to be conditional on it appraising as a K, VS1. Pawn shops can vary in terms of their policies - what are these guys like?

Ditto circe...

 

[chupiechow]

Vintage Lover, your stone is beautiful. It does resemble this one some, but in my heart I just don't think this is the one. The color is actually much whiter than in the pics. My friend has a K OEC and this is whiter next to it. I got it from San Francisco Provident. They have been very nice to deal with, but it is going back today.
Onward to find my perfect stone or ring.
Dreamer...thanks for the offer and I welcom any help. I definitley want it to be over 2cts and no lower than a J/K. My budget for this one is 15k. Do you all think that is realistic?
I could up my busget for the perfect cushion though!!! Like this one, any thoughts on what the price of a L of this size would sell for?
http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Loose-Diamonds/446ct-Loose-Antique-Cushion/20049998_sG2Wjr#1580706858_SF4HxCm

 

[vintagelover229]

Vintage Lover, your stone is beautiful. It does resemble this one some, but in my heart I just don't think this is the one. The color is actually much whiter than in the pics. My friend has a K OEC and this is whiter next to it. I got it from San Francisco Provident. They have been very nice to deal with, but it is going back today.
Onward to find my perfect stone or ring.
Dreamer...thanks for the offer and I welcom any help. I definitley want it to be over 2cts and no lower than a J/K. My budget for this one is 15k. Do you all think that is realistic?
I could up my busget for the perfect cushion though!!! Like this one, any thoughts on what the price of a L of this size would sell for?
http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Loose-Diamonds/446ct-Loose-Antique-Cushion/20049998_sG2Wjr#1580706858_SF4HxCm

No harm no foul If it's not the one I'm glad you could return it and try again. It's a lot of money on something that wasn't 100% the one.

With your budget you can get something AMAZING with it. I LOVE that stone posted by JBEG. I'm posting some links that might have something your interested in. One is way over budget but you can email them with your offer and see what they say. It's a great looking stone!

http://www.rubylane.com/item/514555-rl-724/3-28-Carat-Center-European

Smaller at 1.44 carats
http://www.langantiques.com/products/item/10-1-4456

http://www.langantiques.com/products/item/10-1-4296

Light yellow one
http://antiqueengagementrings.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=3109

3.4 OEC fancy vivid yellow (treated)
http://antiqueengagementrings.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=3096


THIS is GORGEOUS! 2.57 carats of OEC goodness!
http://www.rubylane.com/item/603337-RL1282/Vintage-Deco-2-57ct-Diamond


Could have potential
http://www.rubylane.com/item/710766-JV-127/Stunning-Large-Platinum-1-83

2.96 carats
http://www.rubylane.com/item/603337-RL1272/Art-Deco-White-Gold-2

And if you want something really one of a kind=I have NEVER seen a cut like this before
http://www.rubylane.com/item/710766-JV-6/Gorgeous-Art-Deco-Diamond-Emerald

Another one I LOVE 1.81 carats (I bought a vintage diamond and sapphire watch from this seller)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270739046690?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

This one could be nice
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1920s-Art-Deco-2-52ct-Old-Miner-Cushion-Cut-Diamond-Platinum-Ring-/320769991156?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item4aaf61a1f4

1.9 carats
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ESTATE-ART-DECO-1-9ct-DIAMOND-EMERALD-ENGAGEMENT-RING-/150416059430?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23057eec26

Now I realize this isn't as large but I think with a good cleaning this is a beautiful ring
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-ANTIQUE-PLATINUM-ART-DECO-DIAMOND-RING-SAPPHIRE-ACCENTS-1-10CT-SOLITARE-/180753119671?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a15b9b9b7

good luck!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Vintage Lover, your stone is beautiful. It does resemble this one some, but in my heart I just don't think this is the one. The color is actually much whiter than in the pics. My friend has a K OEC and this is whiter next to it. I got it from San Francisco Provident. They have been very nice to deal with, but it is going back today.
Onward to find my perfect stone or ring.
Dreamer...thanks for the offer and I welcom any help. I definitley want it to be over 2cts and no lower than a J/K. My budget for this one is 15k. Do you all think that is realistic?
I could up my busget for the perfect cushion though!!! Like this one, any thoughts on what the price of a L of this size would sell for?
http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Loose-Diamonds/446ct-Loose-Antique-Cushion/20049998_sG2Wjr#1580706858_SF4HxCm

Oh for sure! In a cushion, not sure, since they are hard to find. If you are set on a cushion I would call Ari at singlestone, JBEG, and Old World Diamonds and ask them to source it for you. But you pay for that service. An OEC, I think you can find something for your money. I will look for you when I get a chance today! Now off to check our VL's finds above...