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Hey, well there are two small issues I need some women's and others expertise on.

I got myself a VS2 clarity thinking that it would be completly eyeclean, even from side views. I thought that it was, until yesterday I realized that the small crystal under the table can be viewed from the pavilion side. If the diamond is in a well lit environment and it is lifted up so that the sky or a white background is behind it and I look through the left or the right of the diamond I can locate a tiny little speck in the middle. It is hard to locate initially, I was like 1-2 inches away from it, but now that i know where it is I can find it abuot 6-10 inches away in the right conditions. Do you think this will be a big deal when she eventually finds it? It is a very small and can only be viewed under just the right conditions from the side, is this typical for VS2 clarity (there is no way I can afford a VS1 right now)

also, the H color from the pavilion side is very faint, but I can slightly tell. Nobody else has been able to though.

What do you think about this? Should I send it back? I may, but i would like your opinion. Otherwise, it is a fabulous diamond.

Here is the diamond: http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD01077670&keyword_search_value=ld01077670

The reasons I hesitate is that I had wanted a 1500 dollar budget max (i still have to buy a cleaner, pay for a ticket to japan and a trip to okinawa once i get there so i can propose properly) which i raised to 1660, and now to get a G of comparable quality its going to be uped to 1800. any thoughts? Also, it has incredible fire and light performance, HCA score of 1.0 and AGS 0, though others rate in those ranges as well.
 
I don''t think a VS2 is a problem whatsoever. Even if she does eventually see the inclusion, it''s not visible without close examination from what you''ve said and to me it''s not a big deal. H is plenty white IMO, too. Good job! BN has a great return policy though, and you need to be completely comfortable with your purchase. But if it''s a gorgeous stone and you''re just worried about her finding that tiny inclusion, I wouldn''t worry too much....
 
I would stick to what you have, in my opinion. It has a superb cut, good colour and also your GF might not ever find the inclusion, or care if she does. Clarity grading is done face up, so it isn't uncommon to see something from the sides, but especially in a VS2, it will be tiny as you have discovered. Also visibility depends on level of eyesight too. The colour should be fine too - an H is a very respectable colour grade. It looks like a stunning rock, would it help you to think of this inclusion as your diamond's unique birthmark, a useful way to identify it? Many like their stone's little personality mark as that way they can identify their diamond easily.
 
Thank you for your quick response. If alot women chime in it might ease my mind:) In the end it will have to be if I am comfortable or not. I do like though, how when I look down on the diamond I can see the arrows pretty clearly and well defined. I would hate to lose those things that I love about it, but i would also love to lose those things I dont like about it.....not sure what to do at the moment. I have been trying to think of it as a "fingerprint" but its hard:).

Also, I was thinking of showing her with a a loupe everything I knw about the diamond... would you recommend against that? especially with this inclusions that is slightly visible to the naked eye?
 
If you went up to a VS1 you might find it lacking in a other way, same with a VVS. Is this mark really spoiling this diamond for you? You say you can't afford a VS1 right now, so your only other options would be to drop the colour, size, or take a chance on another VS2 diamond.

Is the diamond set yet? Does your GF know you are planning to propose, or know that you have bought the diamond? Also what you describe is normal about the inclusion being hard to locate at first, once you know where to look your eye automatically goes there! I think it is a case of this diamond perhaps not being ' mindclean' for you, as we say around here. I have read some of your posts and have seen how much work you have put into finding a beautiful diamond for your GF, do you feel as if this inclusion is letting the whole thing down somewhat?

Also read this thread for further thoughts.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/clarity-eye-clean-definition-interpretation-and-taste.30483/
 
I would be fine with it. H is a great color, and as you said, you can''t tell AT ALL from the top. That inclusion will always be a nice way of identifying your diamond if it ever goes in for work or anything.

Plus it doesn''t sound like it''s set yet. I would set it in a 6 prong setting.
 
Keep it, it''s well cut and a great deal. The inclusion sounds really really tiny and difficult to see.
 
I would stick with it . . . it sounds like a beautiful diamond. I also have an H VS2 and the H color is just fine and I don''t look at the diamond from the side very much. The inclusion in mine will reflect and look like multiple inclusions when seen at a certain angle but I actually really like being able to identify my diamond with that inclusion. If it were me the sparkle would be most important and the holor and clarity are great in my opinion. The decision has to finally be yours but I vote to keep it.
 
I'm with everyone else - I would personally keep it. It's right in the sweet spot for bang for the buck at H, VS2, and it's an excellent cut.

However, if the inclusion and the slight warmth is something that is going to drive you nuts for as long as you have the diamond, maybe a VS2 isn't right for you?
 
Do not show her the diamond with a loupe. That is just asking for potential trouble if she''d be bothered by seeing an inclusion. Once the stone is set, it is less likely she''d even see the inclusion from the pavilion side.

Color and clarity are so personal. But unless you can really raise your budget, you should stick with what you have. My only caution is that you are buying from a vendor that does not do upgrades. When you do buy from a vendor that allows upgrades, you have no worries because you can get a higher color and clarity later when your budget allows.

I am sure that is a lovely stone and will be beautiful once it is in a setting. Consider a 6 prong setting and less of the pavilion will be visible.
 
Do you see the crystal from the side view, or only looking up through the bottom of the diamond? If it''s only the bottom, don''t worry about it. Once the diamond is set, there would be no way to see it. If it''s visible from the side, it depends on what kind of setting you''re using. If the setting has diamonds or filigree or something like that on the sides that draws attention to the side view, I''d think about getting either a different diamond or a different setting (probably the latter, since it sounds like you''d have a hard time finding another comparable diamond in your budget). If you get a 6-prong setting, perhaps it could be hidden behind a prong?
 
Hello again everyone. First I want to thank everyone for all of the advice and comments that everyone has given, I have been checking from my cell phone all day while the kids were playing:)
Second, I want to apologize for not being able to respond until now and clear up a little misunderstanding. The diamond is in fact already set, in white gold with a platinum head, four prong. I really want the four prong because it is such a small stone, and I really want to emphasize the stone and all of its beauty--if I had a 1 ct or more I would go for the six prong without a thought, but at this size I think a four is def. the best route.

I believe on reflection and reading the comments that there is no way I can give her a slightly warm stone with a visible inclusion--regardless of what conditions are necessary to see it initially--once it has been seen it will always be seen, and that is just not something I can do to my ff ring.

Thus I have decided I will have to get a second job when I get back from Japan, use my new 0% apr for 6months card and raise my budget to about 2500 for a diamond ( i cant believe i thought i would be under 1500 total initially, lol). Also, I will attach some pictures of this ring later so you can see the BN four prong, it is MUCH more beautiful than the online scan (actually, i will make that a separate section for those wondering like i was).

This means, I am now running a bit low on time (1 1/2 months), especially if the next one has a problem, and so any help would be appreciated. My initial looks have yielded four possible stones of G or higher color With VS1 clarity and ideal cut--AGS ideal unless there is other information available. Those are:

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&pid=LD01069036&filter_id=0

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&pid=LD00134853&filter_id=0

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&pid=LD01034862&filter_id=0

And possibly this one, if i can get a 3% discount and possibly an ideal scope image and something else to analyze performance:




please help me out in anyway possible, and don't purchase these stones! (unless you let me refer you of course)

Also, as far as upgrades, I plan to make her a three stone in 10 or 11 years and make this stone a side stone. But this one can't ever leave (unless by accident) because it is the actual proposal diamond! thus an upgrade policy would be mute, unless she demanded a bigger solitaire in the future.
 
Sorry, the whiteflash diamond I am looking at is: http://whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-114362.htm
Which they don't actually have in house yet.....
 
I sincerely would go with the WF ACA if you think you want to eventually use the diamond in a 3 stone ring. ACA''s are so easy to match up as a set because they are all cut so precisely. That''s why so many people use them for diamond earrings.
 
Right now i really don't know which way to go. The bluenile .3-.4mm greater lengths plus the e-f color and simply rely on the AGS cut grade to pull me through (with my own analysis of the percentages of course) or to get the guarantee of maximum performance with ACA.
 
not to put a damper on things, but getting a second job? Are you going to be able to spend much time with her if you have a second job? It already sounds like you''re going above and beyond your original budget. Hoping you don''t get carried away with this.
 
I was just too lazy to look through the BN links before, but I''ll look now! It would be good if you could get a slightly larger stone, and as long as it is ideal cut, that would be fine.
 
HEY! Don''t disrespect blue nile stones! I cant find that discount anymore, but I guess I will do what I have to. Also, the second job will be weekends until I pay for the difference, and she lives in Japan...so..lol, after the middle of september it will be several months before i see her again...this is the end of the line for me in price though. If the VS1 lets me down I will send it back, get her an SI1 E color and do something really special for her family with the money I save, however blue nile is currently working on getting the .65 checked for me to make sure it is eyeclean from all angles and if so that is the one I am inclined to go with at the moment. Though I am still def. searching and i still really wish I didnt have to spend more money....
 
I don''t think anyone was disrespecting the BN stones. You didn''t post the links where people can just click on them, so it is a little more trouble to have to copy the link and paste in the address bar to go to that site.

If you need to reduce your price, go to G VS2. Not all VS2''s have eye visible inclusions and the color is better than the H you had first. You won''t be happy with SI1 if this VS2 bothered you.
 
I will make a new thread in the days to come when I have narrowed down my stone selections, maybe you ladies and gents can help me get it just right this time. for now though I am looking at a wide array from G-E in color .55-.65 in size and VS1 in clarity unless they can really REALLY assure me that it is going to be eyeclean from the side as well:P, then VS2. Any more suggestions on stones let me know.

And thank you all for your input. It is a heavy decision for me to make, but I think I will be much happier with it in the end. Especially knowing that she will be in Japan for a while and I won't be there to console her if she does get distraught over some imperfection or another.
 
I think you made a wise decision to go ahead and find a stone with somewhat better color and clarity. I sometimes think Japanese people have a big preference for better color/clarity. (My husband is Japanese American). Each person has their own preferences of course, can you ask her what is most important to her?

There certainly are VS2 stones that you will not be able to see any inclusions with your naked eye. Now it''s just a matter of finding that one.

You are very nice to get a second job to pay for this stone. I am sure your FI will be happy with what you select. Good luck!
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