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Hi, I am upgrading my center diamond and am trying to find a square radiant diamond at a good price. I don''t know much about diamonds so am wondering if this is a good cut for the price. Also, are the measurements good for a square radiant?-

Carat Size - 1.01
Clarity - VS1
Color - F
Depth - 67.8
Table - 65
Measurements - 5.54x5.40x3.66
Girdle - STK-TK
Price - $4097

Thanks for any input!
 
oh yes, and the flr is MB
 
Hmmmmmm. Great question!

I happen to love radiants and own one :)

However, knowing what I know about cuts of diamonds right now and the fact that what is
available now(ideal cut princess cut) was not available as of even two years ago, if I were in the
market for a square radiant cut today, I would consider a ideal cut princess cut.

What you may notice is more fire. And larger virtual facets and more life and brilliance.

Honestly, computers and new technology(cutting technology) have made it easier to
create a princess cut diamond that is head and shoulders above what used to be out there.

The same is still not available for radiants, although, since you are interested in a square radiant,
maybe a princess that is ideal cut will satisfy you.

AGS is the only lab that give any princess cuts ideal cuts.

Best of luck to you!

Sugardiamonds
 
Date: 7/6/2009 5:51:04 PM
Author:smithkr24
Hi, I am upgrading my center diamond and am trying to find a square radiant diamond at a good price. I don't know much about diamonds so am wondering if this is a good cut for the price. Also, are the measurements good for a square radiant?-

Carat Size - 1.01
Clarity - VS1
Color - F
Depth - 67.8
Table - 65
Measurements - 5.54x5.40x3.66
Girdle - STK-TK
Price - $4097

Thanks for any input!
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Hi smith

It could be a nice diamond, really images such as photos and ASET are needed, plus the crown height if you can get it, is the diamond online or have you seen it in person? Does it have a GIA report?
 
This is a diamond that I have found online - McGivern Diamonds. When I asked to get a picture of it I was told they didn''t have one as most diamonds tend to look the same in photos??? It does have a GIA report that they sent to me., but in the comment section it says "surface graining is not shown." What does that mean? I do know that the polish and symmetry are both Very Good and the cut is Ultra Ideal, but I don''t have the crown height. I am looking at another diamond as well. Can you tell me which one you think looks better? Here is the info on the other diamond -

Price: $3,776
Shape: Radiant
Carat Weight: 1.00
Color: F
Clarity: Vs2
Cut Grade: Excellent
Table %: 66.00
Depth %: 63.30
Culet: N
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 5.72-5.62x3.56
Length/Width ratio: 1.02
GIA: Certified

I am not sure what the girdle is on it, but I am suppose to be getting that info soon. This is a diamond that I found online at Solomon Brothers and they told me they don''t have a picture either???

I just want to say thanks to everyone who has responded with their advice. I appreciate it!
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Date: 7/7/2009 11:48:50 PM
Author: smithkr24
This is a diamond that I have found online - McGivern Diamonds. When I asked to get a picture of it I was told they didn't have one as most diamonds tend to look the same in photos???
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Not true at all. I'd run far, far away after that comment!

The X-factor looks great. I'd also consider Good Old Gold's square radiants. This one looks nice and is under budget:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3619/

ETA: So does this one, but not sure how you feel about J color:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4923/
 
Yeah, I thought that was strange. You can tell a lot by pictures, atleast the ones I''ve seen. I''m fine with G color but don''t want to go any further than that. As far as clarity I''m looking to stay at VS2 or better. Just wondering if I can find what I want for no more than $4000? Ii want a really good stone at around a carat. Am I asking too much?
 
It''s doable but tough. I think your desired specs combined with budget effectively rule out branded cuts like the WF X-factor and GOG cut-cornered square. Here''s what I found in non-branded radiants at James Allen:

0.93 F/VS2
1.03 E/VS1
1.01 F/VS1
1.05 G/VS1 - my favorite of these

I''m definitely better at picking out well-cut princesses than radiants, so this is a bit of a new territory for me. They look well cut to my eyes though. Ask for Idealscopes to help us evaluate the cut quality.
 
Date: 7/7/2009 11:53:04 PM
Author: jstarfireb


Date: 7/7/2009 11:48:50 PM
Author: smithkr24
This is a diamond that I have found online - McGivern Diamonds. When I asked to get a picture of it I was told they didn't have one as most diamonds tend to look the same in photos???
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Not true at all. I'd run far, far away after that comment!

The X-factor looks great. I'd also consider Good Old Gold's square radiants. This one looks nice and is under budget:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3619/

ETA: So does this one, but not sure how you feel about J color:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4923/
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That's a beautiful stone in a great size (we call that 'near carat'
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) and a GREAT color in a radiant. You don't want to go too low in color on a radiant as they trap color. But since they have so many facets you are much easier able to drop down in clarity. I'd call GOG on this one and ask their honest assesment of the clarity. You really don't need vs2 or better in a radiant for eye clean. But of course, if you need it for 'mindclean' that's different.
 
I disagree with McGivern''s attitude to photos, really buying a fancy shape without one is buying blind in my opinion.
 
JStar, my only concern with some of those is they have medium blue to strong Fluorescence. I know that some people like this, but I don''t want to stone to appear milky. I don''t think I would mind a faint to moderate blue, but strong Fluorescence kind of scares me. What''s your take on this?
 
Date: 7/8/2009 1:24:12 AM
Author: Mrs W
I found some at jamesallen but Im not sure if these are good or not. They could get you an IS and maybe someone here can tell you if they are good or not:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Radiant-Diamond-1203666.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Radiant-Diamond-1106655.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Premium-Cut-Radiant-Diamond-1203513.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS1-Premium-Cut-Radiant-Diamond-1203661.asp
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I like the first one on these, but again, I''m not sure about the Flourescence. I''d like to hear the pros and cons
 
Date: 7/8/2009 1:42:01 AM
Author: Gypsy

Date: 7/7/2009 11:53:04 PM
Author: jstarfireb



Date: 7/7/2009 11:48:50 PM
Author: smithkr24
This is a diamond that I have found online - McGivern Diamonds. When I asked to get a picture of it I was told they didn''t have one as most diamonds tend to look the same in photos???
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Not true at all. I''d run far, far away after that comment!

The X-factor looks great. I''d also consider Good Old Gold''s square radiants. This one looks nice and is under budget:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3619/

ETA: So does this one, but not sure how you feel about J color:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4923/
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That''s a beautiful stone in a great size (we call that ''near carat''
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) and a GREAT color in a radiant. You don''t want to go too low in color on a radiant as they trap color. But since they have so many facets you are much easier able to drop down in clarity. I''d call GOG on this one and ask their honest assesment of the clarity. You really don''t need vs2 or better in a radiant for eye clean. But of course, if you need it for ''mindclean'' that''s different.
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I still think I would rather pay a little more for a VS2 or better. It is more about being "mindclean." Of course eyeclean is important, but if I can get a better clarity in my price range I would rather do that. I appreciate everyones input and help helping me find the right diamond!
 
Date: 7/8/2009 11:33:18 AM
Author: smithkr24
JStar, my only concern with some of those is they have medium blue to strong Fluorescence. I know that some people like this, but I don't want to stone to appear milky. I don't think I would mind a faint to moderate blue, but strong Fluorescence kind of scares me. What's your take on this?
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This is rare even with strong or very strong blue fluorescence, however this is the strength where you occasionally see cloudiness, however a trusted vendor can advise you if a strongly or very strongly fluorescent diamond does show cloudiness. Medium should be fine, personally I love fluorescence and consider it a bonus in a diamond.
 
Date: 7/8/2009 1:17:06 AM
Author: jstarfireb
It''s doable but tough. I think your desired specs combined with budget effectively rule out branded cuts like the WF X-factor and GOG cut-cornered square. Here''s what I found in non-branded radiants at James Allen:

0.93 F/VS2
1.03 E/VS1
1.01 F/VS1
1.05 G/VS1 - my favorite of these

I''m definitely better at picking out well-cut princesses than radiants, so this is a bit of a new territory for me. They look well cut to my eyes though. Ask for Idealscopes to help us evaluate the cut quality.
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Is it just me or is the highlighted diamond and the first one I was looking at on McGivern Diamonds the same one?? http://www.overnightdiamonds.com/Diamonds.aspx?sg=0&sn=18685854 They have the same date on their GIA reports and everything. The only thing with the JamesAllen one is it is about $300 cheaper. I guess I''m not too bad at picking out diamonds. ha!!
 
Date: 7/8/2009 1:30:20 PM
Author: smithkr24

Date: 7/8/2009 1:17:06 AM
Author: jstarfireb
It''s doable but tough. I think your desired specs combined with budget effectively rule out branded cuts like the WF X-factor and GOG cut-cornered square. Here''s what I found in non-branded radiants at James Allen:

0.93 F/VS2
1.03 E/VS1
1.01 F/VS1
1.05 G/VS1 - my favorite of these

I''m definitely better at picking out well-cut princesses than radiants, so this is a bit of a new territory for me. They look well cut to my eyes though. Ask for Idealscopes to help us evaluate the cut quality.
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Is it just me or is the highlighted diamond and the first one I was looking at on McGivern Diamonds the same one?? http://www.overnightdiamonds.com/Diamonds.aspx?sg=0&sn=18685854 They have the same date on their GIA reports and everything. The only thing with the JamesAllen one is it is about $300 cheaper. I guess I''m not too bad at picking out diamonds. ha!!
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Could be a virtual stone and listed with multiple vendors.
 
Looks like it''s the same one - nice catch! I actually didn''t pay much attention to the stats of the first diamond before, since it was listed at a vendor that doesn''t provide photos. Of course that doesn''t mean it''s a bad diamond, just would definitely prefer to buy it from JA (and the fact that it''s cheaper is a definite bonus!). Keep in mind that it''s not a perfect square, though it''s still under the 1.05 L:W ratio that is considered square dimensions. You may or may not notice a slight elongation to the naked eye.

As for fluor...like Lorelei, I definitely consider it a bonus. The "overblue" effect is actually quite rare and can be assessed by the gemologist at JA. I love the way diamonds with strong or very strong blue look in sunlight! The strong blue is partially why the G is my favorite, but it''s also the cut. I''ve been told that medium isn''t really perceptible to the naked eye without a UV lamp.

Be sure to ask for Idealscopes for the diamonds you''re interested in! JA will do up to 3.
 
Date: 7/8/2009 5:13:57 PM
Author: jstarfireb
Looks like it''s the same one - nice catch! I actually didn''t pay much attention to the stats of the first diamond before, since it was listed at a vendor that doesn''t provide photos. Of course that doesn''t mean it''s a bad diamond, just would definitely prefer to buy it from JA (and the fact that it''s cheaper is a definite bonus!). Keep in mind that it''s not a perfect square, though it''s still under the 1.05 L:W ratio that is considered square dimensions. You may or may not notice a slight elongation to the naked eye.

As for fluor...like Lorelei, I definitely consider it a bonus. The ''overblue'' effect is actually quite rare and can be assessed by the gemologist at JA. I love the way diamonds with strong or very strong blue look in sunlight! The strong blue is partially why the G is my favorite, but it''s also the cut. I''ve been told that medium isn''t really perceptible to the naked eye without a UV lamp.

Be sure to ask for Idealscopes for the diamonds you''re interested in! JA will do up to 3.
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what does Idealscopes mean? Can you tell I am new to this!!
 
IS is a tool to help measure light return from a diamond. It''s helpful for judging whether a diamond is cut well, OK, or poorly. More info here. Most of us here believe that some form of reflector image (IS or preferably ASET) is essential for buying a fancy shape online. James Allen will provide IS for up to 3 diamonds that you put on hold.
 
Thanks Jstar, that is good to know about IS!!!

I think I have narrowed my search down to 3 diamonds. Can I get anyone''s opinion on which is the best of these? I can do the IdealScope for all of them, but I would like opinions on depth and table and which is the best cut. Thanks!

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS1-Premium-Cut-Radiant-Diamond-1203771.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Radiant-Diamond-1203666.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Radiant-Diamond-1203741.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
 
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