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babakohlala

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Hi Guys

I'm new here and do not know a lot about the diamonds , I want to get a ring for my fiance
And I want it to be at least a carat , I found these 2 rings.and they have one carat main stone and about a carat accent , the ring is
Sparkling in the light but as I read through the site it seems that its not a good choice
Here are the GIA certificates :

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=2176887028&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&pagename=GIA%2FDispatcher&c=Page&cid=1355954554547

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=2186323052

I checked here and according to what I learned the cut is the most important one , one has a poor cut and the other fair
The guy gives the first ring for 1900us $ and the second one for 2100 $ I just do not know if its a good deal or its worthless.

I really appreciate the help
 
OMG RUN!

Seriously - those are terrible choices - I hope you are joking.

They both face up the size of a 0.75-0.8ct stone; so why don't you buy an excellent cut of that carat weight? Just because it weighs 1 carat doesn't mean anything if it looks like a much smaller stone. You need to concentrate on CUT quality - that is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing. An ideal cut stone will face up larger and whiter than a stone of equal weight that isn't well cut. :read:

I would recommend putting your money into an ideal cut stone from a vendor with a good upgrade policy. Find an inexpensive setting; and in the future when finances allow you can upgrade the setting, the stone, or both!

What is your budget?
 
What is the reason you are considering these rings? Have you looked at PS vendors? I will let the experts chime in but the depths alone are scary at 70%+ depths they will face up smaller not to mention losing fire.

Edit: Showed up a little late^
 
Thank you so much for the reply

My budget is around 3k and unfortunately I was not joking :wall:
It seemed to me that there was sth wrong but it takes a little time to realize when you are not an expert.

Any suggestions you guys , the most important thing for me that the diamond is sparkling and eye clean
I really appreciate the help guys
 
3k for the stone alone or for the stone and setting together?

I assume you are looking for a RB - you can use the HCA calculator on modern rb's; plug the numbers in here: https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca

Anything under 2 is worth investigating further - ask for an idealscope image to assess light performance.

Here's some reading: https://www.pricescope.com/wiki
 
If you're open to Blue Nile options, here's a 0.90ct J-SI1 with Excellent for Cut Grade, Symmetry, and Polish - this diamond is priced at $3157 ($3109 via bank wire) - it is a 60/60 type diamond so faces up quite spready, akin to a full carat diamond - and it has medium blue fluorescence which if anything should help brighten/lighten it up color-wise - http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05183876 - if you are interested in this diamond, I'd suggest contacting Blue Nile ASAP to ask that it be put on hold, and also request that the diamond be pulled for inspection as to whether it is eyeclean. Per the HCA, it scores a total score of "1.4 - Excellent" with Excellent on Light Return, Fire, and Spread; and Very Good on Scintillation (https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca)
 
Here is a well cut option...

Ask if this is eye-clean...and get an idealscope if interested. If you want a cleaner stone you will have to go smaller.
I was trying to maximize size while staying well-cut.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.80-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-365682

You could pair with this...
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/14k-white-gold-2mm-knife-edge-solitaire-engagement-ring-six-prong-item-7990

I think they have 25% off of settings through cyber Monday. You would need to check this so maybe you could pick out a nicer setting.

Is your $3k budget for just the stone or for the stone and setting?
 
Boy am I glad you came here. A poor or fair cut GIA graded diamond is not something you want.
 
ecf8503|1417271737|3792262 said:
OMG RUN!

Seriously - those are terrible choices - I hope you are joking.

They both face up the size of a 0.75-0.8ct stone; so why don't you buy an excellent cut of that carat weight? Just because it weighs 1 carat doesn't mean anything if it looks like a much smaller stone. You need to concentrate on CUT quality - that is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing. An ideal cut stone will face up larger and whiter than a stone of equal weight that isn't well cut. :read:

I would recommend putting your money into an ideal cut stone from a vendor with a good upgrade policy. Find an inexpensive setting; and in the future when finances allow you can upgrade the setting, the stone, or both!

What is your budget?
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I was going to say the exact same thing Why would you consider a poor or fair cut at all
 
The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And GIA Ex is not enough. And you must stick to GIA and AGS only. EGL is a bad option: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/[/URL]
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it. YOU DO NOT USE HCA for AGS0 stones.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance. Under 2 is a pass. Under 2.5-2.1 is a maybe. 2.6 and over is a no. No score 2 and under is better than any other.
Is that enough? Not really.
So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. BGD, James Allen, GOG, HPD, ERD and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.


Now if you want to skip all that... stick to AGS0 stones and then all you have to do is pick color and clarity and you know you have a great performing diamond. Because AGS has already done the checking for you. That's why they trade at a premium.
 
Thank you so much everyone for the replies and being incredibly helpful
I have about 3 to max 4k for the whole ring , I'm still a little confused but its much better than yesterday

One more question guys ( it may sound a little stupid so sorry in advance )

is it safe or wise to buy diamond on eBay ?
There are some sellers from India or others from states who have high ratings
What do you think ?
 
Don't know what your thoughts are on fancy colored diamond engagement rings, but Leibish & Co (who are one of the best) are having a big cyber Monday sale right now. Here is an example of a really beautiful ring I found in your price range - http://www.leibish.com/rings-jewelry/round-white-and-fancy-intense-yellow-diamond-double-halo-ring-25555

As for purchasing a ring off of eBay and India, just make sure you get full details beforehand including a copy of the diamond's certification.

Best of luck and congrats!
 
babakohlala|1417343072|3792702 said:
Thank you so much everyone for the replies and being incredibly helpful
I have about 3 to max 4k for the whole ring , I'm still a little confused but its much better than yesterday

One more question guys ( it may sound a little stupid so sorry in advance )

is it safe or wise to buy diamond on eBay ?
There are some sellers from India or others from states who have high ratings
What do you think ?
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Any question you ask won't be stupid, it is stupid to run into your local B&M store and throw your $4,000 on the counter and leave with a mystery ring.

I have heard success stories when buying on eBay but it isn't for me. Buying from a reputable PS vendor, while you may pay a little more if not the same price, you will be offered great customer service and have options offered to you like warranties, upgrade policies, buy back policies ect. With eBay it is luck of the draw then you are on your way. If you find a great stone on eBay and go that route just be sure to post your stone here so the experts can make sure it will perform as it should.
 
Ebay is hard. Experienced buyers can do well. And new buyers with experienced assistance can too.

That said... you are better off working with a vendor with a great return policy, an upgrade policy, and great customer service.

What exactly do you want for your budget?
 
You seem to want to walk the high wire. What don't you just let us get you something really nice for your budget. We're really good at that.
 
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