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tracylt

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Hi guys!

It's been a while since I posted. Last time I shared my 5 carat oval yellow diamond made by James Allen, and I'm still MADLY in love with it. Since my love for yellow diamonds is getting bigger everyday, I am now back to ask you guys' help to build a yellow PEAR shape diamond pendant.
If you read my last post, I had a very positive experience with James Allen. Naturally, they are the first one I turned to this time. Unfortunately their stock for pear shape yellow diamonds over 5 carats is very limited. I'm currently interested in this one for the color grade (I like fancy yellow as it's "yellow" enough without the hefty price tag of intense or vivid yellow) and size of the stone. VS2 clarity is good enough for me. I could go down to SI1 but not any lower I think.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...pear-shaped/5.44-carat-vs2-clarity-sku-281547
Therefore, please let me know if you have a trustworthy vendor with larger stock that offer 306 degree view.
Regarding to setting, I still haven't picked out a design yet, but as usual, I'd prefer a halo setting over solitaire. Since it's a pendant, I want to have something more special than just a simple halo, so if you have any suggestions please feel free to throw them out there. Thank you all in advance!

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'Strong Blue' is good fun - for me. The blue tint will play against the yellow in various lighting; an acquired taste ...

Interesting search !
 
I could not get this WWW out of my mind for a while - interesting cut, especially for a pendant, I think; it may well break your budget too - I have not even asked.
 
valeria101 said:
'Strong Blue' is good fun - for me. The blue tint will play against the yellow in various lighting; an acquired taste ...

Interesting search !
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Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I didn't even notice that lol. Does that mean it'll reduce the yellow tone and make the stone appear less yellow for untrained eyes?
What do you think about the measurements of the stone? Is it fairly good for the carat weight? I'm asking because the gridles are listed as thick to extremely thick...
 
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About the strong blue & the yellow: I'd say it is more complicated than less yellow - the strong blue would make the stone change apeparance in various lighting even more than the relatively light body colour would. I could imagine this working well for some people & some stones, but it would not be a straight-yellow impression. Of course, fluorescence could be other than blue - yellow, white, green ... would complicate the straight-yellow colour in nicer ways than blue [all rare enough ! - then, strong fluorescence of any colour is somewhat open to debate].

In general, I am rather fond of the subtle variation of color among the lighter colored diamonds, that does not come accross easily in pictures. 'Guess we have what we have to start looking, and the seller you choose could comment further. Nothing to be done about it ...


[sidenote: because I appreciate a happy yellow hue in very light tones - better than a less saturated yellow graded above 'light' - I would consider stones formally graded Light Yellow, definitely Fancy Light-s, alongside Fancy Yellow ... Could be just fun, or you could end up with a surprising find]
 
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Re. size ... It doesn't seem particularly puny.
 
Hi all!
In general- strong blue is a big negative on yellow diamonds. You'll notice much lower prices on the deeper colored yellows if they have MB or SB.
Basically the blue flouresence has a likelihood of dulling the yellow color in any sort of bright lighting.
Also, in my experience SB/MB yellow diamonds are merely likely to be a bit hazy due to fl as compared to colorless diamonds.
But like everything else in diamonds there are exceptions. The most vivid vivid I've ever owned had strong blue - but again, that's the exception rather than the rule.
 
valeria101 said:
I could not get this WWW out of my mind for a while - interesting cut, especially for a pendant, I think; it may well break your budget too - I have not even asked.
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Wow this does look extremely promising. However, I don't know if I should call them for price since it's quite larger than my 5 carat desire, and it's FLAWLESS. My budget is only $65K, but since I want a halo setting with a little "special" touch, I'm thinking it'll take about 5K away from the stone.
 
valeria101 said:
About the strong blue & the yellow: I'd say it is more complicated than less yellow - the strong blue would make the stone change apeparance in various lighting even more than the relatively light body colour would. I could imagine this working well for some people & some stones, but it would not be a straight-yellow impression. Of course, fluorescence could be other than blue - yellow, white, green ... would complicate the straight-yellow colour in nicer ways than blue [all rare enough ! - then, strong fluorescence of any colour is somewhat open to debate].

In general, I am rather fond of the subtle variation of color among the lighter colored diamonds, that does not come accross easily in pictures. 'Guess we have what we have to start looking, and the seller you choose could comment further. Nothing to be done about it ...


[sidenote: because I appreciate a happy yellow hue in very light tones - better than a less saturated yellow graded above 'light' - I would consider stones formally graded Light Yellow, definitely Fancy Light-s, alongside Fancy Yellow ... Could be just fun, or you could end up with a surprising find]
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Really appreciate your insights. I thought I knew "a little" about color diamonds, but the more I research the more I know my "little" might be less than a little, if that makes sense! The stone you posted is beautiful too, and thank you for that. Unfortunately, I'm not a huge fan of marquise. The price is amazing though I have to say!
 
Rockdiamond said:
Hi all!
In general- strong blue is a big negative on yellow diamonds. You'll notice much lower prices on the deeper colored yellows if they have MB or SB.
Basically the blue flouresence has a likelihood of dulling the yellow color in any sort of bright lighting.
Also, in my experience SB/MB yellow diamonds are merely likely to be a bit hazy due to fl as compared to colorless diamonds.
But like everything else in diamonds there are exceptions. The most vivid vivid I've ever owned had strong blue - but again, that's the exception rather than the rule.
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Thank you Rockdiamond. Very helpful insights. So, from what I understand according to your post, the rule is the stronger the blue florescence is, the more dulling the yellow color will be and the more hazy the stone will look. Correct? No wonder it's priced at much cheaper price compared to JA's other stock diamond (see link below) which is smaller in carat weight (5.01 ct) and graded lower (Fancy Light Yellow). I was thinking I'd get a "steal" if I buy this diamond considering their other stock options. It's all about getting "a deal" for me when it comes to buying jewelry (crazy, I know), but obviously I was just unknowledgeable haha.
Since SB has such a negative effect on a yellow diamond, may I ask your opinion on this one instead?
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...ar-shaped/5.01-carat-vvs2-clarity-sku-1077724
It's still within my budget, and it has NONE flourescence. Thank you so much!
 
tracylt said:
The price is amazing though I have to say!
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I am guessing that a pear with similar grades would come at a similar price - if one were to come around.
 
I am not sure if David can comment on the other pear (rules!).

It looks correct to me - nothing glaring ... good or bad.
 
Hi Tracy
As a vendor I am not allowed to comment on other vendors stones per Pricescope policy. But I'm glad to offer general assistance!
Apparently you have noticed the pricing disparity.
I love a bargain too......but I've found that many times when a diamond has a low price, there's a reason.
 
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Diamonds by Lauren would be one of my first stops if I were in the market for a fancy cut yellow diamond, but they unfortunately don't have any 5ct pears on their website right now. Nonetheless, it would be worthwhile contacting David (a.k.a. Rockdiamond) offline to ask if he can help you source a stone for your pendant.
 
valeria101 said:
I am guessing that a pear with similar grades would come at a similar price - if one were to come around.
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If I can find a similar one in pear shape at that price, I'll be the happiest human alive! I'll continue to dig around then.
 
tracylt said:
If I can find a similar one in pear shape at that price, I'll be the happiest human alive! I'll continue to dig around then.
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Reddiam has an S-T (Light yellow) listed, for whatever reason they made it look greenish in the picture - it cannot be that way. [all I can think about is That impossible 6 carat - so don't ask me how I feel about this one ...]

On the other hand, I would guess that the cute marquise is further toward the yellow end of the GIA 'Light Yellow' range (Y-Z ?). Perhaps it is worth asking for a pear couzin of the marquise, from the same shop.

Yes, I would ask David for light yellows - this is his turf.

Listings for stones of this size & colour are always too few.
 
Rockdiamond said:
Hi Tracy
As a vendor I am not allowed to comment on other vendors stones per Pricescope policy. But I'm glad to offer general assistance!
Apparently you have noticed the pricing disparity.
I love a bargain too......but I've found that many times when a diamond has a low price, there's a reason.
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David, I've always been a huge fan of your works. As a matter of fact, I used to be obsessed with your website I went to check it every single day. I value your knowledge and advices so much. I also did check your website for loose diamond stock before posting here, and as drk14 said, I didn't see any yellow pears over 5 carat available.
The reason I haven't reached out to you personally is I'm constantly changing my mind in terms of how much I want to spend on a stone or on a setting, or changing criteria for a stone or coming up with setting ideas... I just don't want to waste your time with so many questions and inquiries, then end up not buying anything from you. I'd feel like a jerk then. That's why I do all of the research and price hunts myself until I've made up my mind completely and am 100% ready to go into production phase. My mother in law is actually a diamond seller/trader for over 40 years now but I don't want to consult her either because of my lack of consistency and "deal hunter" mindset.
That being said, please don't cross me out yet. I truly admire your craftsmanship.
 
Hi tracylt,

As a member of the trade, I cannot recommend diamonds but I'm really excited to see what you'll find.

I am curious which way you are leaning on a setting - more yellow-gold or white? Prongs or in a Yellow with a white band? All platinum - just curious what your thought process is with a diamond that shows so much color.
 
Aw I'm blushing...... thank you Tracy.
I will say that a huge part of my job is assisting folks getting from here to there. Starting out kind of " in the dark" - and moving together into the light:)
Many, many people are exactly where you are when they find us.
Also, just as a note- I'm enjoying a bit of sun this week out of the office so there won't be a whole lot of new stones hitting the site this week.
You can never tell what our cutters will surprise us with after vacay!

PS - if you MIL is based in NYC I'll bet we know each other.
 
valeria101 said:
Reddiam has an S-T (Light yellow) listed, for whatever reason they made it look greenish in the picture - it cannot be that way. [all I can think about is That impossible 6 carat - so don't ask me how I feel about this one ...]

On the other hand, I would guess that the cute marquise is further toward the yellow end of the GIA 'Light Yellow' range (Y-Z ?). Perhaps it is worth asking for a pear couzin of the marquise, from the same shop.

Yes, I would ask David for light yellows - this is his turf.

Listings for stones of this size & colour are always too few.
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Awesome advice. I'll contact reddiam. I know it's hard to find for the size & color I am aiming at. Don't laugh at me when I say this, but I'm asian and been around Asians long enough to know what they'll ask about when they see my diamond pendant. So my goal is GIA certified, 5 carat at least, graded as Fancy Yellow on the certificate (not as colorless but in U, V, Y, Z range - I'll explain this in a bit), measures as big as possible for the carat weight (size does matter to me lol), and clean enough to sparkle a ton! I have very good eyes so anything "dirtier" than SI1 I can spot it and that bothers me.
The reason I want it to be stated as Fancy Yellow on GIA paper is if I want to sell it later, my MIL has a big Asian clientele that will be interested in buying it. Unfortunately they don't know much about diamonds like the experts here, so if I say it's not a fancy yellow but graded say Y or Z color, they'll think it's garbage. Don't ask me why. I can't explain. Same for the 5 carat requirement, for Asians 4.99 carat is still 4 carats, 5 carat is 5 carat. You know what I mean?
 
Diamond_Hawk said:
Hi tracylt,

As a member of the trade, I cannot recommend diamonds but I'm really excited to see what you'll find.

I am curious which way you are leaning on a setting - more yellow-gold or white? Prongs or in a Yellow with a white band? All platinum - just curious what your thought process is with a diamond that shows so much color.
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Thanks for your interest Diamond_Hawk! I know for sure I want a halo. I'm a white gold kinda girl so 18K WG. I'm not sure what you mean by "yellow with a white band"? I'm guessing you thought I was looking for a ring. I am actually looking for a pendant. This is my ring and I would like something that is fairly matching it, although for the halo design I would like something a little bit more "special". \IMG_0122.jpg
 
Rockdiamond said:
Aw I'm blushing...... thank you Tracy.
I will say that a huge part of my job is assisting folks getting from here to there. Starting out kind of " in the dark" - and moving together into the light:)
Many, many people are exactly where you are when they find us.
Also, just as a note- I'm enjoying a bit of sun this week out of the office so there won't be a whole lot of new stones hitting the site this week.
You can never tell what our cutters will surprise us with after vacay!

PS - if you MIL is based in NYC I'll bet we know each other.
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Great business ethics, David. I have so much respect for you.
Let me know if you receive any stones >5 carat yellow pear that would make my heart sing when you're back to your office! In the meantime, enjoy that giant yellow round brilliant (AKA the Sun ;) ). TYIA!
 
I'm Asian. I know exactly what you mean! Lol
 
tracylt said:
The reason I want it to be stated as Fancy Yellow on GIA paper ... Same for the 5 carat requirement ... You know what I mean?
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Yes.

From this point of view, the 'strong blue' sounds ever better.

[ Else, the nicest GRAND yellow thing on my side of the web is not a diamond - WWW ]
 
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valeria101 said:
Yes.

From this point of view, the 'strong blue' sounds ever better.

[ Else, the nicest GRAND yellow thing on my side of the web is not a diamond - WWW ]
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I've contacted JA and had the diamond on hold. I have 48 hours to make up my mind. If I dont hear back from reddiam I'm pretty sure I'll go with this one. :appl: Now off to find a setting!
 
You haven't heard back from reddiam?
 
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