Need an Opinion on a Diamond
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I in a 3ct will show up in many lighting conditions, so be sure you are OK with that. The fluorescence should help and there are no watchout red flags on that in this stone.
For my money 59% in a larger size is a bit big 56-58 would be better.
I would perhaps look for a colour or 2 up and a clarity or 2 lower.
For my money 59% in a larger size is a bit big 56-58 would be better.
I would perhaps look for a colour or 2 up and a clarity or 2 lower.
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No idea what a fair price would be, but you can look on the PS diamond search tool to find out. I personally wouldn't pay for a VS1, but obviously everyone has different preferences. I agree that I will look tinted in 3ct, but you have to know if it bothers you or not.
I would want a slightly smaller table, but again it's a preference thing.
I would want a slightly smaller table, but again it's a preference thing.
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Strong would work better as medium can have quite a range and ods are it is lowere boundary (just odds).
The larger table can increase brilliance but at some expense of fire and bang bang scintillation
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Unlikely that medium fluor will mask the tint--I definitely wouldn't count on that. The table size will change the "personality" of the diamond a bit.
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Is this a better diamond? They are virtually the same price...
Both the diamonds that you have selected looks good on papers also looks good on HCA tool ratings however from my point of view scientific images will differ a lot like ASET and Ideal-Scope it will show you HCA 1.3 and 1.8 so based upon score it is a great pick as it will show it has an excellent light performance but there is a catch here if you look at both the diamonds it have girdle of 4.0 faceted. I will suggest you see ASET first as it won't have that much light performance and if you want you can match 2 diamonds one that has a medium to slightly thick girdle with remaining specification stays same and another one you can choose any of the ones that you came up with if you compare ASET for the diamonds there will be a lot of difference however both will have same HCA score.
I am new in this forum however I have bit knowledge and if you want you can compare the diamonds as I have mentioned above and you will see it.
I hope you get better diamonds with the same price range but a perfect that has the light performance.
And to be honest, if the diamond even has medium fluorescence and if it has a great light performance fluorescence will not impact the beauty.
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When considering fluor, some things to keep in mind:
1. The stronger the fluor level, the increased odds it may have a negative effect such as looking hazy, oily or milky.
2. While a majority of fluor is blue, that is not the only color.
3. While yellow is the typical diamond body undertone, that is not always the case either. You could end up with brown or grey which are not reported until K+ in color. Other undertone colors are possible too but are reported at G+ color.
4. The whitening effect can (not guaranteed to) occur under the right conditions:
a. Fluor is blue & undertone is yellow.
b. The fluor is strong enough that it gets activated by UV/VV light.
c. The UV/VV source is strong enough that it actually causes a stone to flourescence
5. Stones with fluor can take on a bluish tint in heavy UV areas (such as direct sunlight outdoors). Some people like this, and others dislike it.
6. Stones with fluor trade at a discount. The stronger the level, the better the discount. If you aren't getting that discount, then negotiate one for yourself or potentially consider a different stone from a different vendor that will adjust market prices accordingly.
The above in mind, I find it useful for the buyer that he/she be critical and thoroughly vet every stone with fluor to ensure there are no transparency issues. GIA studies suggest it's pretty rare, but honestly when it's your stone and money involved, you don't want to be the 1 in 100 that got the bad one. The only way to prevent that is to perform the due diligence.
Assuming no transparency issues, then treat any whitening effects as a PERK as the stone will behave differently in various lighting conditions. IMO, any benefit you receive should not be construed as a substitution for upgrading the color. If H bothers you, then go with a G. Don't buy an H with fluor thinking that is the workaround solution.
As a point of reference, I bought my wife an H VS2 with medium blue fluor. If there have been whitening effects, they are so minimal that we have not noticed them.
1. The stronger the fluor level, the increased odds it may have a negative effect such as looking hazy, oily or milky.
2. While a majority of fluor is blue, that is not the only color.
3. While yellow is the typical diamond body undertone, that is not always the case either. You could end up with brown or grey which are not reported until K+ in color. Other undertone colors are possible too but are reported at G+ color.
4. The whitening effect can (not guaranteed to) occur under the right conditions:
a. Fluor is blue & undertone is yellow.
b. The fluor is strong enough that it gets activated by UV/VV light.
c. The UV/VV source is strong enough that it actually causes a stone to flourescence
5. Stones with fluor can take on a bluish tint in heavy UV areas (such as direct sunlight outdoors). Some people like this, and others dislike it.
6. Stones with fluor trade at a discount. The stronger the level, the better the discount. If you aren't getting that discount, then negotiate one for yourself or potentially consider a different stone from a different vendor that will adjust market prices accordingly.
The above in mind, I find it useful for the buyer that he/she be critical and thoroughly vet every stone with fluor to ensure there are no transparency issues. GIA studies suggest it's pretty rare, but honestly when it's your stone and money involved, you don't want to be the 1 in 100 that got the bad one. The only way to prevent that is to perform the due diligence.
Assuming no transparency issues, then treat any whitening effects as a PERK as the stone will behave differently in various lighting conditions. IMO, any benefit you receive should not be construed as a substitution for upgrading the color. If H bothers you, then go with a G. Don't buy an H with fluor thinking that is the workaround solution.
As a point of reference, I bought my wife an H VS2 with medium blue fluor. If there have been whitening effects, they are so minimal that we have not noticed them.
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Honestly, looking at proportions only is a bit like tossing grenades. It's getting us close, but isn't really an instrument of precision. Well, unless you know how to properly roll a frag grenade. 
Actual values condensed to a single value for the report and then the rounding & averaging. Shove that data into the HCA which makes more assumptions and excludes minor facet data, girdles, etc and predicts performance and it's hard to say with certainty what you have.
Do you have any videos or images you can share so we can get a better assessment?
Actual values condensed to a single value for the report and then the rounding & averaging. Shove that data into the HCA which makes more assumptions and excludes minor facet data, girdles, etc and predicts performance and it's hard to say with certainty what you have.
Do you have any videos or images you can share so we can get a better assessment?
I understand that it gives you an idea how good diamond is however for an example you can pick up any tow diamonds with the same specifications one with faceted girdle maybe 3.5 or 4.00 and another one without that you can ask for ASET images to any online vendor hope they will arrange that for you both ASET will differ you will see light leakages in the diamond that has a girdle of 3.5 and 4.00 wherein the other diamond will not have it if both the diamonds are same on HCA tool 1.2 to 1.4 score. And being an expert I believe you will get to arrange and see the answer from your own eyes.
Yet I have not said that the above diamonds are not good or so however if someone is paying that much amount for a diamond he should get the one that he needs.
Before making purchase everyone can get images ASET and Ideasope even I had requested when I made the purchase and the amount that person is spending for a 3.00 and above carat diamond any online retailers will arrange images so the answer is quite simple before making decision comparing ASET will be a good idea.
I will still suggest to see at least one diamond with similar specs and check ASET it would be worth to go with slightly thick to medium thick anything apart from very very thin and extremely thick girdle.
I saw someone asking suggestion hence I gave it from my end however it might be possible someone or other from price scope forum will not like it but the fact is a fact.
Yet I have not said that the above diamonds are not good or so however if someone is paying that much amount for a diamond he should get the one that he needs.
Before making purchase everyone can get images ASET and Ideasope even I had requested when I made the purchase and the amount that person is spending for a 3.00 and above carat diamond any online retailers will arrange images so the answer is quite simple before making decision comparing ASET will be a good idea.
I will still suggest to see at least one diamond with similar specs and check ASET it would be worth to go with slightly thick to medium thick anything apart from very very thin and extremely thick girdle.
I saw someone asking suggestion hence I gave it from my end however it might be possible someone or other from price scope forum will not like it but the fact is a fact.
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IMO, you are putting too much stock in girdle thickness only. I'd be more worried about twisted lowers or pavilion mains. Not saying girdle won't have an effect, but you make broad assumptions that all the other proportions are truly equal and identical. In reality, they aren't.
Lab reports give you a neutered crown and pavilion angle, taken from 8 actual angles each. In the case of GIA, that data is further manipulated by rounding & averaging. Not to mention machine calibration differences and minor rounding before the averaging & rounding begins.
I am in agreement that actual (not computer generated) advanced images such as ASET, IS and H&A will be useful in further analyzing and determining the true LP and symmetry of the stone. I am in disagreement that they are readily available by any vendor, as has been proven here time and time again. Granted, certain vendors will provide the images upon request but it's a far cry from a guarantee.
If shopping locally, for about $100 you can buy handheld scopes to take with you once you short list some stones.
I truly agree with you that girdle is not the only one factor to check LP however there are other factors too. In the above case if you have noticed other factors are lined up perfectly table, depth crown angle, and pavilion angle everything is in favor to get the excellent light performance the only thing that makes here the difference is a girdle that is the only factor seems missing and goes out of range hence asked to review ASET and to compare. I agree not all the online retailers will get you ASET however if you request them and say that you are ready to buy and interested they will arrange it for you and as you are aware that you will same diamonds to multiple websites they can arrange images for you if you ask them.
Please upload video for the diamond sorry to use so much techi words. Please try if you ask them to arrange aset images that will give clear idea.
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3.51 Diamond.mp4
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Here is the link as it won't allow me to upload:
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Nice video looks great from top view. But the video is taken in white background so can't really judge light performance. Same range diamonds with great video and images I can see on search box you can see the one that is 3.55 I vs1 61.80 depth and 57 table 1.6 hca and looks nearly better I color. It is listed to somewhat 4 companies with different prices you can have a look. Still your diamond looks great from top view you can get it I believe you will have return policy for your purchase you can bring it and can view it if you are satisfied with performance it would be worth.
Any chance you could show me the diamond calc image for the diamond listed in this thread with the GIA cert?
With the 59% table. Sorry for the confusion.
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Using rounded data with no actual asymetry is totally meaningless and may mislead more than help.
So no.
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