Nastiest thing I have seen in a while (Grammy's)

[monarch64]

Just glad I am not raising a kid now.

LOL. I love when my 8 y/0 daughter plays DJ when we're cooking or doing chores around the house. I'll say "ok play something good" and she always says "I have the perfect thing." It's usually MTS or Cardi or like 10,000 other songs that KidzBop covers anyway.

Calm down, darlings. Was no one here present when Britney and Madonna shared a kiss onstage at an awards show 20 years ago? What about Prince's exposed butt cheeks decades ago? I seriously can't believe how sheltered and pearl-clutching some of you are. And scissoring? LOLOLOLOL I am DYING at that being offensive in 2021.

I feel like I'm one of the younger members of this forum still intent on hanging around but I'm aging out because of the intolerance and clear lack of acceptance that times are changing. Like I honestly cannot stand the racist undertones of "omg Becky like look at her butt." If you don't understand that reference...Idk what to tell you. Except that I'm truly sorry that in your youth or culture it wasn't acceptable for "ladies" to be enthusiastic or excited or empowered about their bodies or sexuality.

ETA: my kiddo is a straight-A student attending private school who has won myriad awards in our community for her volunteer efforts. She and her friends are smart enough to know there's a time and place for explicit lyrics and they don't repeat them in front of adults/authority figures. I'm not going to Tipper Gore her, period.

 

[monarch64]

When I see women celebrating their sexuality in forms such as WAP, I can't get over the notion that they are selling themselves into the stereotype of women as sexual objects because we are still, in spite of some progress, a male-dominated society where men think they can say to and do to women what they want when they want. (Disclaimer -- I'm speaking in generalities. Yes, I know all men are not like that.)

I understand many of your points and posts and while I'm nowhere as smart or articulate as you are, I completely disagree with the notion that somehow women are selling themselves short? Selling...number one, implies that we GAF. (And I'm talking about fans/enthusiasts, not the artists themselves.)
When I was in college I was listening to Lil Kim and "How Many Licks" and so much other female rap that was very sexual and female-orgasm/sexuality-centric. That's 20 years ago. Nothing has really changed except that it's more acceptable now for women to express themselves as men do, as evidenced by the attention, clout, awards, etc these women have received recently.
What I see happening is the gaze of society being turned from the male lens only to include women who also have expressions of absolute JOY about sexuality these days. And people happen to still hate that. So when you say women are selling themselves into being sexual objects? I don't see it that way at all, whatsoever. It sucks that segments of our culture still view it that way, but as always, times are changing.

 

[OreoRosies86]

LOL. I love when my 8 y/0 daughter plays DJ when we're cooking or doing chores around the house. I'll say "ok play something good" and she always says "I have the perfect thing." It's usually MTS or Cardi or like 10,000 other songs that KidzBop covers anyway.

Calm down, darlings. Was no one here present when Britney and Madonna shared a kiss onstage at an awards show 20 years ago? What about Prince's exposed butt cheeks decades ago? I seriously can't believe how sheltered and pearl-clutching some of you are. And scissoring? LOLOLOLOL I am DYING at that being offensive in 2021.

I feel like I'm one of the younger members of this forum still intent on hanging around but I'm aging out because of the intolerance and clear lack of acceptance that times are changing. Like I honestly cannot stand the racist undertones of "omg Becky like look at her butt." If you don't understand that reference...Idk what to tell you. Except that I'm truly sorry that in your youth or culture it wasn't acceptable for "ladies" to be enthusiastic or excited or empowered about their bodies or sexuality.

ETA: my kiddo is a straight-A student attending private school who has won myriad awards in our community for her volunteer efforts. She and her friends are smart enough to know there's a time and place for explicit lyrics and they don't repeat them in front of adults/authority figures. I'm not going to Tipper Gore her, period.

In the most non-stalkerish way I can muster, I feel like you and I would genuinely be great friends off the interwebs. We are raising children roughly the same age, and more often than not I find myself nodding my head in agreement at the sentiment that you don’t have to raise kids to be a ball of stress. You just don’t need to. My child recently requested a pretty extreme hair style. Said kiddo also makes straight As and is starting their own band. Fabulous older sibling and overall great person. Rather than say “No, I don’t want people to stare” I said “Where are the clippers?”

There is so much (SO MUCH!) to stress out about in this world. Does it really make the world a better place to hang onto the old shame based ideas and opinions that created so much anxiety and depression in previous generations? That caused so many suicides? That shamed women in particular to suppress any hint of being a sexual person until married and ready to make babies? Was it worth it? Did it ever help ANYONE?

 

[Matata]

ETA: my kiddo is a straight-A student attending private school who has won myriad awards in our community for her volunteer efforts. She and her friends are smart enough to know there's a time and place for explicit lyrics and they don't repeat them in front of adults/authority figures.

So you're repressing your kid's celebration of her sexuality/latent sexuality (I have no idea what an 8 yr old understands about sexuality) and/or the right to celebrate art that expresses sexuality in front of "adults/authority figures" because why? The "adults/authority figures" are "sheltered" and may "clutch their pearls" in spite of the airing of explicit art on radio, TV, and in print? Or does she do that upon your advice that those adults would criticize her or you? If nationally aired TV programs and other media are the acceptable time and place for expressing explicit lyrics why the hypocrisy? Why not let her mimic what she does or doesn't yet understand and damn what anyone else thinks? Maybe she'll get a courage award for it.

Nothing has really changed except that it's more acceptable now for women to express themselves as men do, as evidenced by the attention, clout, awards, etc these women have received recently.
What I see happening is the gaze of society being turned from the male lens only to include women who also have expressions of absolute JOY about sexuality these days. And people happen to still hate that.

I am in total agreement with you on the above. The difference being that I rarely advocate only one aspect of any issue because most issues evoking societal change are complex and nuanced and when complexity and nuance are ignored bad shit happens.

 

[MrsBlue]

LOL. I love when my 8 y/0 daughter plays DJ when we're cooking or doing chores around the house. I'll say "ok play something good" and she always says "I have the perfect thing." It's usually MTS or Cardi or like 10,000 other songs that KidzBop covers anyway.

Calm down, darlings. Was no one here present when Britney and Madonna shared a kiss onstage at an awards show 20 years ago? What about Prince's exposed butt cheeks decades ago? I seriously can't believe how sheltered and pearl-clutching some of you are. And scissoring? LOLOLOLOL I am DYING at that being offensive in 2021.

I feel like I'm one of the younger members of this forum still intent on hanging around but I'm aging out because of the intolerance and clear lack of acceptance that times are changing. Like I honestly cannot stand the racist undertones of "omg Becky like look at her butt." If you don't understand that reference...Idk what to tell you. Except that I'm truly sorry that in your youth or culture it wasn't acceptable for "ladies" to be enthusiastic or excited or empowered about their bodies or sexuality.

ETA: my kiddo is a straight-A student attending private school who has won myriad awards in our community for her volunteer efforts. She and her friends are smart enough to know there's a time and place for explicit lyrics and they don't repeat them in front of adults/authority figures. I'm not going to Tipper Gore her, period.

Err I'm guilty of introducing my spawn to 2 Live Crew so I think we have some common ground.

Every generation does this. They are absolutely shocked by the music and dancing of the new generation. Also many Americans overreact to outside cultures where hip swinging is a normal part of dance (hula, belly, lambada, dancehall). I mean, the foxtrot is awesome but there are other ways of dancing.

My other concern is that the world puts the weight and responsibility of propriety on the shoulders of women. I don't want that. I want to dance without people thinking that I'm worthless and deserving of insults and shame. I don't want to live "under his eye".

Everybody go watch Footloose.

 

[lovedogs]

Hasbro changed the BRAND to Potato Heads because “marriage is bad”? Holy false equivalence, Batman. I didn’t realize that a toy company making an effort to be more gender inclusive was an attack on marriage. Is this a national emergency? Are they going to take Christmas away too? My god the horror!

I am sad that I only have 1 like to give your posts. The thinly veiled sexism, racism, and general intolerance displayed on this thread is appalling

 

[OreoRosies86]

I am sad that I only have 1 like to give your posts. The thinly veiled sexism, racism, and general intolerance displayed on this thread is appalling

There is sooooo much more I could (and probably should) say, but I like it here too much.

 

[FL_runner]

I didn’t see the Grammys but I this thread got me curious- from the responses it sounds like they performed the “clean” version of the lyrics but with provocative dancing. The song is obviously 100% sexual but written and performed from the perspective of women stating what they want. At any rate, it seems pretty straightforward when we consider the individual viewing - if you don’t like it turn it off (or be like me and don’t watch in the first place :laugh It seems like it’s not that shocking when compared to other music I’ve heard and performances I’ve seen over the past few decades.

Redirect Notice

Sex and sexuality have been a part of life forever. I think that being upset over the song is misplaced concern- people have sexual feelings and express them, which should be a normalized thing. The problem I see is how people process those feelings and act upon them. When we make a very narrow definition of what is “acceptable” for sexual expression and give a stricter standard to women (and particularly we have to recognize the history of sexualization/oppression of black women in America and continuing inequality in perception that leads to unequal treatment https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...of-the-sexualization-of-black-women-and-girls) I think this is problematic.

The problem is not artists presenting sexuality. The problem is how people process these things, judgement of people who express sexuality, how people deal with their own sexuality/impulses ... and challenges with being able to engage in healthy, respectful sexual behaviors. It easier to point to the people talking about sexuality and say they should be quiet- it’s harder to untangle and confront cultural notions of shame surrounding sex and what “good girls” do/say, and the feeling that everything relating to sex should be hidden or suppressed. I think we should be more focused on talking about things like consent, sex education, and encouraging communication instead of secrecy when we talk with kids. Fear, shame and secrecy have the potential to lead to so many issues- like being exposed to STIs; being involved in relationships where there is coercion/assault and the person is afraid to tell someone; self-hatred and self esteem issues.

I would close with a thought- if you’re offended consider why and explore it. My initial impulse was to think “would I want my daughter on a stage singing about her vagina? NO!” But then... if she was an adult, wrote the rap, believed in the performance, was prepared to deal with the fallout, and made her choice... would I really be upset? Not so much. Would I be worried about people judging her? Yes! But that’s a societal/cultural problem. Would I personally feel empowered but performing this? No but my vibe is more “Tylor Swift’s tired older sister” . But did I have the time of my life dancing in cages/on stage in clubs in skimpy clothes when I was young and hot? Yes! I loved being hot and dancing however I wanted but not having any gross grabby hands on me. It sounds totally shallow now as a 40 year old but there’s a lot to be said for feeling fantastic in your body in a “safe” situation. And I’m a responsible productive adult member of society now I swear

 

[monarch64]

So you're repressing your kid's celebration of her sexuality/latent sexuality (I have no idea what an 8 yr old understands about sexuality) and/or the right to celebrate art that expresses sexuality in front of "adults/authority figures" because why? The "adults/authority figures" are "sheltered" and may "clutch their pearls" in spite of the airing of explicit art on radio, TV, and in print? Or does she do that upon your advice that those adults would criticize her or you? If nationally aired TV programs and other media are the acceptable time and place for expressing explicit lyrics why the hypocrisy? Why not let her mimic what she does or doesn't yet understand and damn what anyone else thinks? Maybe she'll get a courage award for it.



I am in total agreement with you on the above. The difference being that I rarely advocate only one aspect of any issue because most issues evoking societal change are complex and nuanced and when complexity and nuance are ignored bad shit happens.

LOLZ.
I have no idea from where you inferred that I'm repressing my child's sexuality. But ok. Also even though you're about as abrasive as a cockleburr going down my throat you're still one of my favorite PSrs.

 

[monarch64]

In the most non-stalkerish way I can muster, I feel like you and I would genuinely be great friends off the interwebs. We are raising children roughly the same age, and more often than not I find myself nodding my head in agreement at the sentiment that you don’t have to raise kids to be a ball of stress. You just don’t need to. My child recently requested a pretty extreme hair style. Said kiddo also makes straight As and is starting their own band. Fabulous older sibling and overall great person. Rather than say “No, I don’t want people to stare” I said “Where are the clippers?”

There is so much (SO MUCH!) to stress out about in this world. Does it really make the world a better place to hang onto the old shame based ideas and opinions that created so much anxiety and depression in previous generations? That caused so many suicides? That shamed women in particular to suppress any hint of being a sexual person until married and ready to make babies? Was it worth it? Did it ever help ANYONE?

Let's be friends!!! I'm sure we can manage to find each other.

 

[Matata]

LOLZ.
I have no idea from where you inferred that I'm repressing my child's sexuality. But ok. Also even though you're about as abrasive as a cockleburr going down my throat you're still one of my favorite PSrs.

LOL, right back at ya Monnie. You speak truth even though you sometimes drop it on someone like a ton of bricks. Luv ya.

 

[Cerulean]

I am a big rap / hip hop fan. I LOVE it. I was also a 90s kid. I listen to a lot of rap & hip hop that is very politically and socially conscious. But I listen to the down and dirty stuff too...I guess I feel the need to credential myself given how heated this thread got!

Do I agree with Cardi B that she is "nasty"? Why yes, yes I do!
Do I think this is a triumph of feminine power? No, no I don't. I don't buy it for a second.

Sex sells, always has. Is it criminal that sex sells, and that women get to benefit from it? No, but the topic of sex, and women being degraded ,or degrading themselves, is so common in mainstream hip hop & rap, that they are essentially inextricably linked. The majority of mainstream rap and hip hop revolves around the premise that if you are a success, reaching pop culture royalty status, you have sex, and constantly. Male rappers brag about women's bodies. Women brag about their own bodies. And male executives make money when men and women brag about their bodies and do in a really sexy way.

It is SO status quo it pathetic. Men aren't subject to the same degradation and humiliation that women are. Even in this performance, the women physically struggled to even move their bodies and contort them for our viewing pleasure.

Who are they doing it for? Why? To what end? Ahhh...to enthrall their audience, and capture revenue! Women for centuries had nothing to offer other than their bodies...why not perpetuate it and get PAID and slap the word empowerment on it! Sexy marketing and SEO!

Missy Elliot is an interesting contrast. Plus sized woman of color, wearing big baggy clothes with such genius lyrics that most morons running radio stations didn't realize almost every song she wrote was about sex. She's the bomb IMO. SMART and sexy!

There are a small handful of female rappers that have chosen interesting and creative ways to enter into the rap marketplace, but you have to step outside of the mainstream. So, part of the issue is that consumers are complicit in this scheme. It shouldn't always fall on women to rise above...it also makes me question how “consensual “ all of this is if to be ultra famous, most female rappers must degrade themselves...anyways...

famous female rappers have a chance to portray a more balanced view of what it is to be a woman, and a powerful woman. A woman to respect. A woman that can govern. A woman that is equal. A woman that their daughters can model themselves after. Not just a mere sex object, whether it is for her own pleasure is almost besides the point. Female self worth shouldn't be defined...perpetually...!!! by how desirable she is.

Listen to Tomboy by Princess Nokia. It’s very vulgar, but to me - that’s a type of IDGAF attitude I can get behind.

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[Daisys and Diamonds]

I still think its wrong to have a platform because of your art and waste it by such frivolous nonsense when the world around us is in such a turmoil right now
But then i didn't grow up with reality tv which i think is getting worse by the minute and is giving so many young girls completly the wrong idea about what's really important

Too many young girls Alaspiring to be u tube etc influencer to tell people how to dress and do make up is not the same as growing up wanting to change the world for the better

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

I hate rap
i walk into a shop and its playing and i walk straight out
mind you i am also not overly keen on a lot of modern country music

i feel old today

 

[lovedogs]

Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head was made into Him/Her...because marriage is bad. But fking a pole on TV is good, treating each and sex like dirt and bragging about getting over on someone is awesome. That's what a fraction of society would like your children to grow up believing. And this fraction is very vocal.

I know I should stay out of this, but I have to respond to a few particularly problematic posts. Being white, cis-gender, heterosexual, and upper-middle class means I have a responsibility to call out this type of thinking and these kinds of statements. Silence = acceptance, and that's a problem.

How in the world are you going from Mr and Mrs Potato head being changed to something about marriage is bad? That is some serious logical gymnastics. If you think that WAP is some kind of anomaly then I think you haven't being paying attention to decades of artists singing/dancing/performing in ways that society feels is controversial.

Gender inclusive? Lol. They already had male and female potato heads, and a child can put them together in any combination they want. What do think I did with Ken and GI Joe, and Barbi and her friends, and all of them together. Lol

I mean, is this the kind of thing we need to spend time and money on - degenderizing a toy?

And, yeah, there has already been a movement to take away Christmas. And I seem to remember a pretty big movement in the past to take away Judaism... I'll give you a hint. There was a war...

There is NOT a movement to take away Christmas. Never has been and never will be. The only "movement" is to make people realize that Christmas is not some kind of "default" or "correct" holiday. It does not hold any kind of special privilege among holidays. It is equal with all of the other holidays people celebrate around the same time of year. It's actually quite a nice parallel to issues of marriage. Does gay marriage "attack" heterosexual marriage? nope. It doesn't. People being treated equally is not oppression. Do individuals that are trans or non-binary somehow threaten those of us who are cis-gender? Nope. Not even a little.

I was just looking at a few of Dr. Seuss books online that are listed as bad and I didn't see anything, did I miss something?

Yes, you missed many things. Look again, particularly at depictions of Black and Asian people. They are racist, period.

 

[stracci2000]

I hate rap
i walk into a shop and its playing and i walk straight out
mind you i am also not overly keen on a lot of modern country music

i feel old today

I feel the same way. I strongly dislike both rap and country.

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

I feel the same way. I strongly dislike both rap and country.

I actually like country music
well the older stuff

i got a soft spot for Dolly
She does really good philanthropic work

i had a teenage Johnny Cash addiction that didn't become cool for another 20 yaars

We used to get the American county music top 30 on the radio every Sunday
It was 3 weeks old by then but it was awsome hearing the new stuff
we even had a specialist country music record store

I had a freind who used to alternate with yearly trips to Nashville or Branson with Tamworth in Australia
So I like twang

But its got to mean something more than just some looser in a bar crying into a beer over a lost love

 

[stracci2000]

I actually like country music
well the older stuff

i got a soft spot for Dolly
She does really good philanthropic work

i had a teenage Johnny Cash addiction that didn't become cool for another 20 yaars

We used to get the American county music top 30 on the radio every Sunday
It was 3 weeks old by then but it was awsome hearing the new stuff
we even had a specialist country music record store

I had a freind who used to alternate with yearly trips to Nashville or Branson with Tamworth in Australia
So I like twang

But its got to mean something more than just some looser in a bar crying into a beer over a lost love

Those country songs about grandmas, babies, drinking and pickup trucks just make me cringe.
Just give me good old rock and roll. And blues. I do love the blues.
I guess people vary! @kenny

 

[HollyJane]

I know I should stay out of this, but I have to respond to a few particularly problematic posts. Being white, cis-gender, heterosexual, and upper-middle class means I have a responsibility to call out this type of thinking and these kinds of statements. Silence = acceptance, and that's a problem.

How in the world are you going from Mr and Mrs Potato head being changed to something about marriage is bad? That is some serious logical gymnastics. If you think that WAP is some kind of anomaly then I think you haven't being paying attention to decades of artists singing/dancing/performing in ways that society feels is controversial.



There is NOT a movement to take away Christmas. Never has been and never will be. The only "movement" is to make people realize that Christmas is not some kind of "default" or "correct" holiday. It does not hold any kind of special privilege among holidays. It is equal with all of the other holidays people celebrate around the same time of year. It's actually quite a nice parallel to issues of marriage. Does gay marriage "attack" heterosexual marriage? nope. It doesn't. People being treated equally is not oppression. Do individuals that are trans or non-binary somehow threaten those of us who are cis-gender? Nope. Not even a little.



Yes, you missed many things. Look again, particularly at depictions of Black and Asian people. They are racist, period.

Lol. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I am very much pro marriage as well as sex positive - and not just for heterosexual couples.

Yes, there's an attack on Christmas. There's an attack on Judaism. I see you conveniently ignored your buddy's equating the Holocaust with discrimination of LGBT. But, that just shows something about you.

Carry on with your devaluing women and some groups of people...

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

Those country songs about grandmas, babies, drinking and pickup trucks just make me cringe.
Just give me good old rock and roll. And blues. I do love the blues.

I love trucks
We call a pick up a ute here (short for utility)

Rock and roll does share some heritage with country music through the blues but i have no udea where rap comes from

I love the harmonica regardless of genre
maybe if the harmonica made an appearance in rap ....
I did once buy one - fanced my self as the new Muddy Waters - turns out one needs a lot of tounge dexterity to play harmonica

 

[lovedogs]

Lol. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I am very much pro marriage as well as sex positive - and not just for heterosexual couples.

Yes, there's an attack on Christmas. There's an attack on Judaism. I see you conveniently ignored your buddy's equating the Holocaust with discrimination of LGBT. But, that just shows something about you.

Carry on with your devaluing women and some groups of people...

I literally have no clue what you are talking about. Your posts show quite clearly that you are not "pro marriage" and "sex positive". Saying you are accepting doesn't mean much when your posts clearly indicate otherwise.

Trans women, people of color, and other groups that are minoritized are being murdered at highly distressing rates, not to mention explicitly discriminated against in a variety of ways. So I think @OreoRosies86 's point was a good one.

 

[MrsBlue]

Nooo you can't hate country. Hell on Heels is so much fun!

And I loved that I Put Your Picture Away Song with Kid Rock and Sheryl Crow even though Kid Rock gives me dry heaves. Also anything by Dolly Parton, especially Jolene.

And for rap haters, try opening your hearts and ears to this:

 

[HollyJane]

I literally have no clue what you are talking about. Your posts show quite clearly that you are not "pro marriage" and "sex positive". Saying you are accepting doesn't mean much when your posts clearly indicate otherwise.

Trans women, people of color, and other groups that are minoritized are being murdered at highly distressing rates, not to mention explicitly discriminated against in a variety of ways. So I think @OreoRosies86 's point was a good one.

Your have no idea what you are talking about. Idealistically hoping for people to happy, in love, and treating themselves and each other well - in all sexuality combinations in relationships is nothing to sneer at, like you are doing.

I know you fancy yourself as a shining beacon of enlightenment, but you show your narrow-mindedness by poking fingers when some people have expressed - hey, let's try not to include pole-fcking with our TV program and maybe it's not a good idea to normalize using our sexuality to hurt ourselves or other people.

 

[lovedogs]

Your have no idea what you are talking about. Idealistically hoping for people to happy, in love, and treating themselves and each other well - in all sexuality combinations in relationships is nothing to sneer at, like you are doing.

I know you fancy yourself as a shining beacon of enlightenment, but you show your narrow-mindedness by poking fingers when some people have expressed - hey, let's try not to include pole-fcking with our TV program and maybe it's not a good idea to normalize using our sexuality to hurt ourselves or other people.

Dancing sexually on a pole does not hurt anyone. Normalizing womens sexuality, ESPECIALLY women of color, is not a problem. Dont like it? Then dont watch it. I dont like the song, so I dont listen to it. It is very simple. No one is "using sexuality to hurt ourselves or other people ".

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

Nooo you can't hate country. Hell on Heels is so much fun!

And I loved that I Put Your Picture Away Song with Kid Rock and Sheryl Crow even though Kid Rock gives me dry heaves. Also anything by Dolly Parton, especially Jolene.

And for rap haters, try opening your hearts and ears to this:

Im watching because of your Jolene name check

I think what a lot of us tend to forget is the artists we enjoy often have wide musical tastes and listen and enjoy all kind of different music

I really enjoy some of the collaborations that come about around award ceremonies, R&R hall of fame, music cares etc

 

[GreenPapaya]

@Daisys and Diamonds wait, you don't like any rap? Not even the Hamilton soundtrack and mixtape? Say it isn't so! Perhaps give it a try? It's quite good.

 

[Matata]

No one is "using sexuality to hurt ourselves or other people ".

There are a lot of articles about the harm rap lyrics have caused by hypersexualizing women. This is not a one answer issue or a one-sided issue. Until there is some powerful pushback to the misogyny, hate, and hypersexualization of women in lyrics sung by (mostly) male rappers, the harm continues. That doesn't negate the legitimacy of women celebrating their sexuality and using that sexuality in an attempt to counter the harm. In this discussion both perspectives about the issue have raised valid points.

 

[MrsBlue]

Im watching because of your Jolene name check

I think what a lot of us tend to forget is the artists we enjoy often have wide musical tastes and listen and enjoy all kind of different music

I really enjoy some of the collaborations that come about around award ceremonies, R&R hall of fame, music cares etc

Yes! There's good music to be found in all genres but the great stuff doesn't always reach a large audience. I also love a good collaboration. Tiny desk concerts have incredible sound quality and are a great way to sample an amazing variety of music.

 

[Matata]

Yes, there's an attack on Christmas.

Please elaborate.

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

@Daisys and Diamonds wait, you don't like any rap? Not even the Hamilton soundtrack and mixtape? Say it isn't so! Perhaps give it a try? It's quite good.

Am i the only person who knows nothing about Hamilton?
And i do try i promise
Its just always made the hairs on the back of my neck bristle
You know how some people are old souls?
Ive just always had the musucal taste of someone 20 years older
Which would explain why Gary is 19 years older than me

'Our song' is secrete love by Freddie Fender -all those golden daffodils