Narrow Down My Best Asscher (Pics inside)

[SDplaya]

I won't post price as these two stones are very close. Curious what the experts think on both. I've tried to locate well cut Asschers.

Here's one from a local well known diamond cutter he brought in from NYC:

Measurements: 6.35 x 6.32 x 4.28 mm
Carat Weight: 1.52 carat
Color Grade: G
Clarity Grade: VS2
PROPORTIONS:
Depth: 67.6%
Table: 61%
Girdle: Slightly Thick to Thick
Culet: None
FINISH:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: Faint



Very eye clean and a small cloud on the table that we saw with the loupe. I liked it a lot.


Second stone is from Whiteflash and is a 1.67 H VS2








I am leaning towards the larger stone but would love to hear more.

 

[Gypsy]

I only see one ASET and one Sarin.

I would like an ASET and Sarin of the first.

And a head on shot of the second, cause that 'glamor' shot isn't impressive at all.

 

[SDplaya]

Here's the extra pics related to the second stone (I ran out of allowed attachments on the last post)

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

I'm not sure if whiteflash showed you the same pics or if you got it off of this https://www.pricescope.com/journal/aset-–-diamond-evaluation-tool but those are the same pictures...

 

[slg47]

I'm not sure if whiteflash showed you the same pics or if you got it off of this https://www.pricescope.com/journal/aset-–-diamond-evaluation-tool but those are the same pictures...

doesn't look like the same pics to me...

 

[Gypsy]

I'm not sure if whiteflash showed you the same pics or if you got it off of this https://www.pricescope.com/journal/aset-–-diamond-evaluation-tool but those are the same pictures...

doesn't look like the same pics to me...

No they aren't. At all.

Well, since you have adequate information about the Whiteflash stone and you have very minimal information about the other, the educated choice is the WF stone AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

But that doesn't mean it's the best choice for your money.

It's dark under the table according to the information. Ask WF's gemologist what they see under the table. The other one looks dark under the table according to the picture, and since that's all you have for it, that's all I can tell you.

 

[SDplaya]

ok great and Im working on further images of the first stone...

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

I'm not sure if whiteflash showed you the same pics or if you got it off of this https://www.pricescope.com/journal/aset-–-diamond-evaluation-tool but those are the same pictures...

doesn't look like the same pics to me...

No they aren't. At all.

Well, since you have adequate information about the Whiteflash stone and you have very minimal information about the other, the educated choice is the WF stone AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

But that doesn't mean it's the best choice for your money.

It's dark under the table according to the information. Ask WF's gemologist what they see under the table. The other one looks dark under the table according to the picture, and since that's all you have for it, that's all I can tell you.

Oh my goodness, I'm sorry, they totally aren't.

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

Sorry OP. I took a quick glance at this after I took out my contacts before I went to sleep. Good luck on your search

 

[Karl_K]

Do you have a picture of this against a darker background? or ASET or IS image?
I am seeing something in the P3 area that needs further checking.
https://www.pricescope.com/journal/performance-and-p3-facets-discussion-about-step-cut-diamonds

 

[SDplaya]

Do you have a picture of this against a darker background? or ASET or IS image?
I am seeing something in the P3 area that needs further checking.
https://www.pricescope.com/journal/performance-and-p3-facets-discussion-about-step-cut-diamonds

Karl, yes and thank you for posting this thread on P3 facets, i found this very interesting.

Here are some new images on the first stone 1.52 G VS2

 

[Karl_K]

Karl, yes and thank you for posting this thread on P3 facets, i found this very interesting.

Here are some new images on the first stone 1.52 G VS2

That is what I thought, compare it with the pictures in my article.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Just from the pictures, the WF stone looks much better to me. But I'd still wait and see the DK asscher.

 

[Gypsy]

Karl, yes and thank you for posting this thread on P3 facets, i found this very interesting.

Here are some new images on the first stone 1.52 G VS2

That is what I thought, compare it with the pictures in my article.

I'm a veteran here, and I'd have a difficult time with that, if it were my first time seeing that article.

Op: I'd pass on that stone. It's got a big dead facet all around and the center X area is going to be dark as well.

Arrow points to the dead facet

 

[Karl_K]

[quote="Gypsy|1330226040|3134683" It's got a big dead facet all around and the center X area is going to be dark as well.
[/quote]
Compare to this pic in article:

and

There is a tiny bit of glare off the culet otherwise the p3s match almost perfectly.

 

[SDplaya]

[quote="Gypsy|1330226040|3134683" It's got a big dead facet all around and the center X area is going to be dark as well.

Compare to this pic in article:

and

There is a tiny bit of glare off the culet otherwise the p3s match almost perfectly.
[/quote]


Thanks all and to Karl on the expanation. So, what I see if the pics you list there is a grey area (literally) in the areas and my stone i can see nothing aka dead area. makes sense to me.
?
Was the whiteflash stone worth pursuing? (sarin/pics above) I know I've created a demand all by myself by working with mulitiple vendors but this process has taken me almost 2 two months and Im trying to be efficient.

I did get asets of the james allen stone gypsy mentioned awhile back and was concerned about having a dark table...should I post those here too?

I have one other stones im waiting on images and then the DK stone/setting comno Ive inquired about. I sure hope one will work out!

 

[Gypsy]

Yes, I would post a link and the ASET for that JA stone here.

Also any information that you get on the Daniel K ring. Keep it all in one thread. Makes it easier.

 

[SDplaya]

Ok here's the JA 1.54 F VS 2stone. Does the table still look too dark? Better or worse than the WF stone?

 

[Gypsy]

Two different stones, right? 4 ASETs, two per stone? The top one is a better performer than the other but is a bit dark at the center. But then, so is the WF stone. Post the link to that one again?

 

[Karl_K]

Ok here's the JA 1.54 F VS 2stone. Does the table still look too dark? Better or worse than the WF stone?

looks like it has potential.
Need to see the regular pic and numbers.
nice mix of red and green, the open question is does the center hang with the rest of the stone.
looking at the ASET it might.

 

[Karl_K]

going back up to this one:

Do the dark areas flash under little tilt? or stay dark?
Ask them.

 

[SDplaya]

going back up to this one:

Do the dark areas flash under little tilt? or stay dark?
Ask them.

Thanks Karl i will ask them on this issue.

As far as JA, that was my fault for posting two stones but funny how Gypsy liked the top 2 better. The JA gemologist found diamond 1373906 (the bottom 2 asets of pics I listed above) to have nice light performance and to perform brighter than diamond 1302268. It has a higher color performance and the gemologist found its wider shoulders and octagonal shape to look very pleasing. The cloud under the table is visible to the unaided eye but it isn't as offensive as the inclusions in your other selection.


So now I hear cloud visible and start to immediately rule out the JA stone. I want eye clean across the board. Is that too picky for me to think if spending 10-12K on a stone?

 

[Karl_K]

So now I hear cloud visible and start to immediately rule out the JA stone. I want eye clean across the board. Is that too picky for me to think if spending 10-12K on a stone?

That is up to you.
Personally I would not spend that kind of money on a stone with visible inclusions.
This is really hard without videos and from different vendors.
Which ever you decide on I recommend viewing it unset and sending it back for setting.

 

[SDplaya]

I would likely agree with that as well. My budget should be able to find an eye clean stone. I can cross the JA stone off my list now too. Humpph, these Asschers are quite the fun adventure. Hoping to see what else I can locate and hear back on DK ring as well.

I emailed the WF team about the 1.67 H VS2 stone wit pics above and asked about the dark table. hoping to get more than just the glam pics and videos.

i did find out the g/f is a 4.5 ring size, and the DK setting is 5.75...Bill said perhaps that setting could come down ...we shall see. This is officially my 2nd full time job!

Exhausted yet excited

 

[Amys Bling]

Just think how excited you and your gf willbe when it'd all ready

 

[mrssalvo]

I would likely agree with that as well. My budget should be able to find an eye clean stone. I can cross the JA stone off my list now too. Humpph, these Asschers are quite the fun adventure. Hoping to see what else I can locate and hear back on DK ring as well.

I emailed the WF team about the 1.67 H VS2 stone wit pics above and asked about the dark table. hoping to get more than just the glam pics and videos.

i did find out the g/f is a 4.5 ring size, and the DK setting is 5.75...Bill said perhaps that setting could come down ...we shall see. This is officially my 2nd full time job!

Exhausted yet excited

Well, whatever you end up with it's going to be lovely! I do hope Bill can get some more pics of the DK ring too..

 

[SDplaya]

Pics on the WF stone are coming as is a video. They said the video looks awesome and they're raving on the stone, so we shall see.

Meanwhile,

I called Brian Gavin a few weeks ago and he was able to locate a 1.68 Carat stone for me .

1.68 G VS1 VG VG GIA F 66.2% 62% 6.77x6.51x4.31

Here are the images as well as a side by side to another stone we ruled out.

 

[SDplaya]

Exciting news on this WF stone I posted above.

they made a full length video for me as part of their marketing package. their gemeolist said this is one of the best asschers he has seen of late...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxE18W9_usk

thoughts? Starting to lean this way now....

here is another two imagea of the WF stone as well







So is this the "great" stone it's being raved about by the WF people? based on the video, i am digging it

 

[Karl_K]

So is this the "great" stone it's being raved about by the WF people? based on the video, i am digging it

The video is of the diamond sitting on the pavilion which is not optimal and at a weird angle but it does appear to have a lot of life and is worth paying attention to.
The pic above showing dark zones going bright at slight tilt also looks promising.

 

[SDplaya]

Thanks Karl -- would you lean more towards the WF stone than the BG stone a few posts above thats an SI-1 but eye clean?


i should mention the BG stone has a 3K or so price difference...which is a factor.