My stone went on a big diet this past month from a RB 1.47 to 1.15 CT...

[Dancing Fire]

I had a 60/60 stone with no sparkles, no crown height, out of round, in other words...ugly. So I contacted Wink to have it recut and he sent it to Belgium on my behalf. I was told it started with a very shallow crown (10% for 27°) and with twisted pavilion halves (similar to the twisted crown halves of an Eightstar), whatever that means. Maybe that's why it lost so much weight. The stone was very hard to work with. I know, I know, me and everyone else here would have perfered something like a 34.5 crown angle to go with the 40.8 pav angle. It's going to GIA now for the cert. They say its a really nice I vs2. maybe if I get lucky it may come back H vs1... he he !!!, It scores .9 HCA , I hope it sparkles like crazy when I see it. Anyway, any sparkle would be an improvement from before.

The following is the stone after the diet

What do you think about these specs ? Tell me the truth. I can take it.
how about the H&A ?
Ideal scope ?

 

[valeria101]

Dear me! Is there a "before" pic anywere ?

 

[Patty]

Wow, it's a stunner. Good move on getting it recut!

 

[Dancing Fire]

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On 5/3/2004 8:05:41 PM valeria101 wrote:


Dear me! Is there a 'before' pic anywere ?

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Valeria101,
I don't have any pictures. I'm looking into buying a digital camera. Any suggestion on what brand and model? I don't want to spend a fortune. I know nothing about hi-tech. Need one that is easy to use.

 

[icelady]

vtigger,




I suppose you are going to tell us that it now glows in the dark!

 

[Dancing Fire]

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On 5/3/2004 10:31:24 PM icelady wrote:


vtigger,


I suppose you are going to tell us that it now glows in the dark!
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Ladyice,
No, I have not seen the stone yet. Any sparkle is an improvement.

 

[strmrdr]

awesome :}
I think you will be shocked at the difference.

The crown angles at 33.6-34.2 is a fairly wide swing but the average 33.9 is well balanced by the pavilian angle and the swing doesnt hurt the hearts and arrow images much they look awesome.
scope image looks awesome.
Congrates :}

 

[Stephan]

I think this one will be VERY fiery.

 

[Giangi]

Looks absolutely awesome to me! What a beauty, and what a crisp H&A pattern!

 

[Daniela]

You'll be sooo happy with your choice. It's going to be just stunning!

Daniela

 

[marriahlyn]

GORGEOUS STONE!! My EGL TIC 1.31ct D SI2 just went on an Eightstar diet to 1.10ct. I'm awaiting other details and will have to wait for it to be sent to GIA also.

Congrats on your new cut.

Jaime

 

[hoorray]

What is the best way to go about having a stone recut? I'm thinking of recutting my original e-ring stone.

 

[Nicrez]

I wonder, if a person has a stone that has a large table but a perfect depth or a perfect table and a depth that is too deep, which is easier to cut to retain the other intact?

I wonder if it can be done...and still get a well cut stone!? Is there a formula to determine how much comes off a stone for achieving certain angles?

 

[valeria101]

Your stone was cut by Elmyr, right?

Quuite an interesting site (LINK).

I guess they could answer this Nicrez

 

[Dancing Fire]

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On 5/4/2004 11:47:10 AM marriahlyn wrote:

GORGEOUS STONE!! My EGL TIC 1.31ct D SI2 just went on an Eightstar diet to 1.10ct. I'm awaiting other details and will have to wait for it to be sent to GIA also.

Congrats on your new cut.

Jaime----------------

Jaime
looks like you end up losing about 15% of the weight on the 8* cut,i lost little bit over 20%.

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Hi Vtigger,

It was a pleasure doing this re-cut for you. I should have taken a before-pic, but as always, when we have a diamond to improve, we cannot wait.

For those, who did not know, Wink is one of my dealers in the U.S., and he arranged this re-cut for Vtigger.

So, Valeria, it was not Elmyr, who did the re-cut. They are a services-company here in Antwerp, who used to be specialised in boiling (cleaning the stones after cutting). Since last year, they also have the Antwerp Gemprint-service, and I am using this too.

Now, since a few months, they are offering what they call a 'visual gem report', in which they combine pictures of a stone with a full Sarin-measurement. For us, this is a perfect solution, because we do not have to spend time improving our photographing skills, while we should be concentrating on our cutting. Also, all our dealers and hence the final customers get all the details on a stone from an independent source.

I personally am not happy with the over-exposure on the arrows-picture, but they are working on this.

Live long,

Paul

 

[Dancing Fire]

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On 5/5/2004 2:02:42 AM Paul-Antwerp wrote:

Hi Vtigger,

It was a pleasure doing this re-cut for you. I should have taken a before-pic, but as always, when we have a diamond to improve, we cannot wait.

For those, who did not know, Wink is one of my dealers in the U.S., and he arranged this re-cut for Vtigger.

So, Valeria, it was not Elmyr, who did the re-cut. They are a services-company here in Antwerp, who used to be specialised in boiling (cleaning the stones after cutting). Since last year, they also have the Antwerp Gemprint-service, and I am using this too.

Now, since a few months, they are offering what they call a 'visual gem report', in which they combine pictures of a stone with a full Sarin-measurement. For us, this is a perfect solution, because we do not have to spend time improving our photographing skills, while we should be concentrating on our cutting. Also, all our dealers and hence the final customers get all the details on a stone from an independent source.

I personally am not happy with the over-exposure on the arrows-picture, but they are working on this.

Live long,

Paul----------------

hi paul,
thanks for recutting the stone for me.(did you do the recut yourself?) i have a couple of questions

what do you mean by the following:
very shallow crown (10% for 27°) and with twisted pavilion halves (similar to the twisted crown halves of an Eightstar)?

is it unusual to lose 22% of the weight? after recut. is it because the stone was very hard to work with because of the proportion?

the crown angle of 33.9 combined with PAV angle, of 40.8, is that an unusual combination?

you are right the digal photo of the arrows was pretty bad.

thanks

 

[valeria101]

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On 5/4/2004 3:04:16 PM Nicrez wrote:



I wonder, if a person has a stone that has a large table but a perfect depth or a perfect table and a depth that is too deep, which is easier to cut to retain the other intact?

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Thank you very much for the insight, Paul

And since I can't usually keep quiet I'll try this one above

At least in the realm of colored stones (with color, weight and face-up symmetry more important and appreciated than brilliance, that is) crowns are often recut while even severely distorted pavilions do not. This is done for the sake of weight, but also helps diminish fish eye whenever tables can be reduced by recutting.

By rule of thumb, reshaping the pavilion means re-shaping larger facets - so this looses more weight. And no, a tenth of a degree is no realistic precision to expect from such an operation. But what is - I would not venture say, 'cause coming from me it would be far too much guess work.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Ana recutting of pavilions only is almost always the best method for improvement (rather than achievement of perfection from an entire recut as we see here). 0.2 degree off the pavilion achieves the same result as 1.0 degree off the crown.

Fisheyes are rare and you need to make the diameter smaller - few people will accept that.

 

[valeria101]

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On 5/5/2004 10:26:23 PM Cut Nut wrote:



... 0.2 degree off the pavilion achieves the same result as 1.0 degree off the crown.

Fisheyes are rare and you need to make the diameter smaller - few people will accept that.

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Thank you !

This is what I was trying to guess during the past half hour or so! You guys got me BADLY hooked

And... yeah, I was still refering to my usual tourmaline and topaz for the "fish eye" case, I would immagine see-through diamonds are tough to achieve ...