My new engagement diamond - need advice/comments

[derrongulley33]

Hi everyone. I have read almost every post on this site and it helped me so much in finding the diamond I wanted for my future fiance. I settled on a 1.44 carat from bluenile and I will include the specs below. I felt great about my purchase until I went to have it set and the jeweler pointed out that it was not an ideal cut. He pointed out that the table was not below 57% so I might be overpaying since bluenile had it listed as ideal. He then tried to sell me a ring off of his list which were "triple 0 ideal cuts". Now, for the record I had him get an ideal cut of his which was a 2 carat and I felt mine was just as nice with my untrained eye. I also am very pleased with the way it looks (once again with my untrained eye). I will note that one of the reasons I purchased this particular diamond is because of the rating it received on the HCA calculator on this site (1.2 rating). Now, finally my question. Would a diamond with all other cuts being about equal outshine my diamond if it had a 53%-57% table? Did I possibly overpay since my diamond is not a true ideal cut? Would an independent appraisor appraise a diamond less if the table is over 57%? Any other general thoughts on the diamond would be appreciated. I could still return it if I wanted. I paid just under $7,400.

Carat Weight: 1.44 carat Table: 59
Color Grade: H Depth: 59.8
Clarity Grade: SI1 Crown: 33.5
Cut Grade: Excellent Pavilion: 40.8
Finish: Excellent, Excellent
Flourescence: Strong Blue (the jeweler said there was no
haziness effect because of the flourescence)
Comments: None

 

[JulieN]

you can just tell the jeweler that AGS gives "ideal" to stones with tables up to 61%.

I can't really comment on your stone without an IS/ASET image, but the numbers are fine, and there is nothing wrong with a 59% table as your jeweler implied.

 

[Firestone]

http://www.jewellerycatalogue.co.uk/diamonds/ags_detail.php

You can compare your specs with these charts. Your jeweler is correct. Your stone does not have the best cut. Table is outside the range for 0. When BN refers to their stones as ideal cut that is their classification and does not relate to AGS''s cut grade.

Yes if your cut was within the 0 grade specs (smaller table, etc) it would have more sparkle, fire, etc.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Is your diamond certed as AGS0?

Your diamond is a nice 60/60 type stone with complimentary angles. It is not a traditional Tolk style cut, which has a smaller table and steeper crown, but the combo you have also can produce great optics.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 3/17/2010 2:04:01 AM
Author: Firestone
http://www.jewellerycatalogue.co.uk/diamonds/ags_detail.php

You can compare your specs with these charts. Your jeweler is correct. Your stone does not have the best cut. Table is outside the range for 0. When BN refers to their stones as ideal cut that is their classification and does not relate to AGS''s cut grade.

Yes if your cut was within the 0 grade specs (smaller table, etc) it would have more sparkle, fire, etc.

We cannot make this claim based on the numbers. At present there are no tools available to assess fire from numbers alone. Even the IS only indexes brilliance and the HCA simply estimates it.

 

[derrongulley33]

Thanks Julie and Firestone for your quick replys.

Firestone, let me ask you this. How much weight do you put in the HCA calculator on this sight? The specs rated 1.2. Would a smaller table diamond rate higher on this calculator? Or would a smaller table diamond with a rating of 1.2 actually look better in real life? Also, now that we know that this cut is not a true ideal; do you think that I might have overpaid or would a true ideal cut just cost more?

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 3/17/2010 2:14:57 AM
Author: derrongulley33
Thanks Julie and Firestone for your quick replys.

Firestone, let me ask you this. How much weight do you put in the HCA calculator on this sight? The specs rated 1.2. Would a smaller table diamond rate higher on this calculator? Or would a smaller table diamond with a rating of 1.2 actually look better in real life? Also, now that we know that this cut is not a true ideal; do you think that I might have overpaid or would a true ideal cut just cost more?

The HCA s a rejection tool. Variation in scores under 2 do not mean anything. Scores over 2 suggest that the diamond may perform poorly but it does not mean for sure... just a higher odds.

The score is not just about the table, nor is a diamond''s performance. It is about the combination of the angles. Your diamond has complimentary angles, suggesting it will be a good performer. Without an IS, that is all you can say. Smaller table would not guarantee a better performer.

 

[Firestone]

Is your stone GIA or AGS certified? Your belief that your stone has an ideal cut appears to be based solely on BN referring to it as an ideal cut. BN''s characterization of the cut is totally meaningless. I understand that table size is just one factor in overall cut grading. But if your stone''s table is beyond the range for a 0 rating and your jeweler is showing you a triple 0/0/0...your jeweler''s stone is superior. Now that doesn''t mean that you don''t have a beautiful ring. The vast majority of people don''t have the best of diamond cuts. But if you thought that having the best cut was important to you, then you didn''t get it. It doesn''t matter how you add up all the other %s to get other ratings. Factually you don''t have the best cut. To be outside the best range may not bother you or others. Personally it would bother me. Granted there are other considerations other than cut...color, clarity, type of inclusions, etc. that you would have to compare. If having the best cut is important to you, look at other stones.

 

[derrongulley33]

Dreamer, thank you so much for your insight. Like I said in my original post. I really think the diamond performs nicely, but it''s just hard for me to trust my untrained eye. I also actually gained some confidence when he compared my stone side by side with his ideal cut. So I think for now I''m happy. One last question though. Does having a larger table% actually have any advantage? Does it make the diamond appear bigger since the top of the diamond is larger? I''m only using my probably flawed logic here and I''m in no way suggesting that someone look for larger tables but I was just curious. Thanks again for everyone''s help.

 

[Firestone]

Larger tables can be brighter because they return more light but they tend to have less fire and scintillation.

 

[derrongulley33]

Date: 3/17/2010 2:26:37 AM
Author: Firestone
Is your stone GIA or AGS certified? Your belief that your stone has an ideal cut appears to be based solely on BN referring to it as an ideal cut. BN''s characterization of the cut is totally meaningless. I understand that table size is just one factor in overall cut grading. But if your stone''s table is beyond the range for a 0 rating and your jeweler is showing you a triple 0/0/0...your jeweler''s stone is superior. Now that doesn''t mean that you don''t have a beautiful ring. The vast majority of people don''t have the best of diamond cuts. But if you thought that having the best cut was important to you, then you didn''t get it. It doesn''t matter how you add up all the other %s to get other ratings. Factually you don''t have the best cut. To be outside the best range may not bother you or others. Personally it would bother me. Granted there are other considerations other than cut...color, clarity, type of inclusions, etc. that you would have to compare. If having the best cut is important to you, look at other stones.

Yes Firestone it is GIA certified. The info I have in my post came from the GIA cert and it was rated cut: excellent. I tried to attach the cert to my original post but it was too large of a file or something. Also to answer your question: I do not mind not getting the best cut as long as I''m not paying for the best cut. I want a stone that looks nice and performs well. Cut was important to me since I''ve learned it has a huge affect on the performance. So in summary I guess, I''m not upset if I don''t have the perfect cut as long as I didn''t pay too much. Thanks alot also for your comments. You have been very helpful.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/17/2010 1:24:05 AM
Author:derrongulley33
Hi everyone. I have read almost every post on this site and it helped me so much in finding the diamond I wanted for my future fiance. I settled on a 1.44 carat from bluenile and I will include the specs below. I felt great about my purchase until I went to have it set and the jeweler pointed out that it was not an ideal cut. He pointed out that the table was not below 57% so I might be overpaying since bluenile had it listed as ideal. He then tried to sell me a ring off of his list which were ''triple 0 ideal cuts''. Now, for the record I had him get an ideal cut of his which was a 2 carat and I felt mine was just as nice with my untrained eye. I also am very pleased with the way it looks (once again with my untrained eye). I will note that one of the reasons I purchased this particular diamond is because of the rating it received on the HCA calculator on this site (1.2 rating). Now, finally my question. Would a diamond with all other cuts being about equal outshine my diamond if it had a 53%-57% table? Did I possibly overpay since my diamond is not a true ideal cut? Would an independent appraisor appraise a diamond less if the table is over 57%? Any other general thoughts on the diamond would be appreciated. I could still return it if I wanted. I paid just under $7,400.

Carat Weight: 1.44 carat Table: 59
Color Grade: H Depth: 59.8
Clarity Grade: SI1 Crown: 33.5
Cut Grade: Excellent Pavilion: 40.8
Finish: Excellent, Excellent
Flourescence: Strong Blue (the jeweler said there was no
haziness effect because of the flourescence)
Comments: None

Hi Derron

As far as can be told from the basic info it looks like you have a nice diamond there. If you are unsure, if you have a Jareds in your area, see if you can compare your diamond with their Peerless brand which are AGS0 cut grade.

 

[derrongulley33]

GIA Report -not sure if this link will work, but this is the GIA report. I really appreciate all comments and advice both positive and negative.

Derron

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/17/2010 11:52:08 AM
Author: derrongulley33
GIA Report -not sure if this link will work, but this is the GIA report. I really appreciate all comments and advice both positive and negative.

Derron

It all looks fine Derron, the stone is close to what we call a 60 60 type, could be a very attractive diamond.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Some people do think a larger table makes the diamond look bigger.

I think the price you paid is very good for the specs, personally. A branded H&A would cost much more. GIA Ex is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[sokol]

Hi, I am new here.

Does anyone have experience or know someone who has, about buying engagement ring on www.novori.com
I would like somemone to tell me his or her experience

Thnx

 

[derrongulley33]

Date: 3/17/2010 12:43:06 PM
Author: sokol
Hi, I am new here.

Does anyone have experience or know someone who has, about buying engagement ring on www.novori.com
I would like somemone to tell me his or her experience

Thnx

Sokol, I would suggest starting a new thread. I would probably title the thread with Novori in the title. Maybe "Has anyone used Novori.com to buy a ring?". I think alot of the knowledgeable and active posters have probably already read my thread and might not see your question. To post a new thread, just click the New Thread button at the top right of the screen. I personally have no experience with that site, so I am of no help. Good luck though.

Derron

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/17/2010 5:31:37 PM
Author: derrongulley33

Date: 3/17/2010 12:43:06 PM
Author: sokol
Hi, I am new here.

Does anyone have experience or know someone who has, about buying engagement ring on www.novori.com
I would like somemone to tell me his or her experience

Thnx

Sokol, I would suggest starting a new thread. I would probably title the thread with Novori in the title. Maybe ''Has anyone used Novori.com to buy a ring?''. I think alot of the knowledgeable and active posters have probably already read my thread and might not see your question. To post a new thread, just click the New Thread button at the top right of the screen. I personally have no experience with that site, so I am of no help. Good luck though.

Derron

Good advice Derron!

Welcome sokol!

Just start your own thread in Rocky Talk and we will do what we can to help you! I don''t have any experience with Novori but maybe someone else has.

 

[Stephan]

GIA says it is ideal, and hey, you have a 40.8 pavilion, that is perfect.
My best experiences with diamonds are with shallow diamonds.
59% table is not a problem.
If your diamond is eye clean, it should be gorgeous.