my 23andme results are in.. can't find old thread

[Arcadian]

I'm not that important. Anyone can have my DNA, and if they could replicate me, so be it. My tests all come up negative except I could have celiac disease... I like knowing my past. As bots are coming.. being hired is going to be a thing of the past anyway.

I'm not sure the world could handle another me. (thats according to my mother)

I have a pretty funky medical history; cancer 2x before the age of 30, kidney issues as a child, allergies, asthma, and now this AI that has not been totally figured out, so take your pick!

I have no kids, and my part in the family will end. Plus I don't plan on living forever. And as it is, the US government knows all about me. If studying my genetic makeup can help save a life, I'm all for it.

 

[Tekate]

@Arcadian

Well my mom always said "Kate, I hope you have a child just like you!" .. I did
At my age I'm not worried about my DNA floating around, if they want to clone me
so be it, ME will be gone.. it's funny I sent the basic information to my sons. The one
like me never got back to me, but my other math/science/data miner son was interested
and wanted to look at the whole report. Kids, they are funny (adult kids yes I know people!). I cannot get total info unless I have a male DNA to compare, my dad, brother, uncle are all dead, my other brother is looney, and my one paternal male cousin loves conspiracy theories so I will just have to let the male side go.

I am sorry for all the cancer.. I'm very glad you survived!..

I'm also for studying my genetic makeup if it helps anyone.

Peace and so glad you are here!

 

[Tekate]

De rien in francais! thank you.
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De Nalga.
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My FIL taught me this naughty Spanish slang for, "You're welcome".

 

[AGBF]

My daughter likes to trip me up. Sometimes she says, "gracias" and sometimes she says "grazie" to me. I am required to hear her correctly and to respond with either "de nada" or "prego" depending on which one she decided to use. It's no use asking me why she uses only Spanish and Italian. I am just her mother, not her therapist. Thank the Lord.

Deb

 

[Matata]

Maternal haplogroup: T2. Neanderthal composition is under 3%.

 

[AGBF]

Maternal haplogroup: T2. Neanderthal composition is under 3%.

That's fascinating, Matata. Is it what you thought was your background based on what you knew of your relatives?

 

[Matata]

That's fascinating, Matata. Is it what you thought was your background based on what you knew of your relatives?

I was a bit perplexed about the Balkan aspect until I refreshed my geographical history to find that Italy comprised some small bits of territory in the Balkan area. My mother's side identifies only as Italian. Ancestry records on father's side shows immigration from Austria/Poland/Czechoslovakia/Germany depending on where the borders were during whichever occupation. I hadn't visited 23andme for a long time and the ancestry timeline is new to me. It wasn't part of the reports back when I joined.

 

[AGBF]

I was a bit perplexed about the Balkan aspect until I refreshed my geographical history to find that Italy comprised some small bits of territory in the Balkan area. My mother's side identifies only as Italian.

I am trying to refresh my memory on the history, Matata, but so far this is a persuasive piece of evidence that Italy and Serbia (a Balkan state) are geographically close enough for people to have mingled.



Deb

 

[missy]

@missy when you did the test, did it ask if both your parents, and all your grandparents were Jewish? I believe it does, and then groups by that to specific regions.
But I think you have to put all 4 grandparents are of jewish decent to be clustered with ashkenazis from any area.
So it's not like they can separate a Jew or Aryan. There's no specific jewish gene, and if you don't let them know you're jewish, they can't differentiate between you and none-jews from any particular region. At least that's how it was explained to me by someone who took the test. But this was a few years ago.. maybe something's changed..

OK elle so I went back and did a little detective work. I did not answer any questions about my religion or race or anything. I left those blank. Interesting right? And so did Greg leave all his questions blank. It wasn't necessary to do the test.

Just spoke with my mom. All my grandparents were born here. Mom's parents and dad's parents. But their grandparents (my great grandparents) are from Russia, Romania, Austria and Poland.

Oh and I just upgraded to get my genetic findings because I was curious. Just reading through it now.

 

[princessandthepear]

Has anyone heard of Nebula Genomics? Supposedly for a fee your dna is mapped then you own it and control who you sell your information to. Payments are made through blockchain which also may subsidize the cost of your dna mapping.

 

[Arkteia]

My daughter is adopted-she has been in touch with her birth mother, but that does not shed a great deal of light on the roots of her ethnicity. She is rather proud of being "100% Colombian" by birth, but would like to do one of these kits. I worry about privacy. Once one does this, one's DNA is "out there". I wouldn't do it. But should i advise my daughter not to?

I believe privacy issues were discussed on Pricescope in the past. Was it in the thread Kate couldn't find?

Deb

There is a very good FB group, DNA detectives (DD), run by adoptees. Also, DD social. Perhaps they can give you an advice - they are private.

 

[Arkteia]

+1

It's not just insurance companies I'm worried about.
Employers could use this data to not hire people who are genetically-predisposed to develop certain illnesses.
I doubt they can do this today, but perhaps the'll learn how to recognize in DNA how to predict things like IQ, tendency to commit crime, becoming a troublemaking vs. a nice subservient employee.
I've read they suspect being politically right or left lies somewhere in the genes.
Then there are nefarious pursuits of our increasingly-creepy government.

This whole thing horrifies me.
I'm astonished anyone sends their DNA off to Big Data and even pays them when they send it in!
I expect a Hollywood film any day in which this all develops into a horrible future for all of us ... except of course the 0.1% who own everything.

Not that simple. Even if/when we know all genes, what they are responsible for - it is a very different thing how they interact. As to curiosity about DNA - perhaps, but so far, these are big pharmaceutical companies that are interested in “bulk data”. As to you alone - it is enough to submit the cup you drank from, somewhere...employers don’t need 23@me for it.

 

[kenny]

Not that simple. Even if/when we know all genes, what they are responsible for - it is a very different thing how they interact. As to curiosity about DNA - perhaps, but so far, these are big pharmaceutical companies that are interested in “bulk data”. As to you alone - it is enough to submit the cup you drank from, somewhere...employers don’t need 23@me for it.

Is that even an argument to what I posted?

To me what your post reads like obfuscation.

 

[Arkteia]

Sorry, Kenny. Maybe it was unclear. I tried to make it shorter...

The truth is, I had a very long and complicated history with 23@me. Their customer service was not good at all, and they kept my son in a study although I very accurately checked “no research” for my kids or myself (only my old dad agreed). I think I even know what study they were doing at that time and why they were interested in my son.

On top of it, no commercial testing company guarantees you that even if you check “no research”, your data will still be not sold to pharmaceutical companies as “bulk data”. You can read their disclaimers.

So privacy-wise, it is questionable.

And yet I used 23@me, and remain their customer. I believe that the information my family got with Promethease is worth the headache. Sometimes it is what I get from my relatives that is more interesting to me.

I also downloaded our data into DNA.land - they study breast cancer, and I don’t have it in the family. They specifically asked for control group - so I dumped all my family’s DNAs. Someone’s life might depend on genetic research, why not share? Who knows what breakthrough they might have? (Although I understand that Princeton study might not be the most private one).

You said “perhaps they’ll learn how to recognize in DNA how to predict things like IQ, tendency to predict crime, becoming a troublemaker vs a nice subservient employee”. The truth is, some sites try to predict IQ (as the minimal educational achievement), and there are two known markers for suicide (not for homicide, as far as I know). However, comparing my dad’s and my own DNAs I saw the same gene for severe depression. It “worked” in my dad, he has been depressed since 40, but not in me, never even. (It was even strange, that we looked so alike, genetically.. Perhaps the configuration of the same gene on maternal chromosome is protective in my case? Or some other genes play the role (this one is pretty strong).

What I wanted to say is that it will probably take years and years to interpret human genome, and even when it will be done, the predictive ability would still not be 100%. They will see the genoset for depression (and later they might find something for violence) and know that they still will not predict anything.

My younger son’s life might also depend on genetic research...

Never mind, let us leave it here. I could write more about my anger with 23@me - they are cynical, and I ran into a very, very bad situation with their customer service, don’t even want to post it here but it is extreme, and their interface is idiotic...and yet I think they are doing more good than harm.

 

[Tekate]

this is what came up for my haplogroup.

your maternal haplogroup is U5b.

your report is very interesting!

And my neanderthal is:

You have fewer Neanderthal variants than 51% of 23andMe customers. However, your Neanderthal ancestry accounts for less than 4% of your overall DNA.

Maternal haplogroup: T2. Neanderthal composition is under 3%.

 

[Arkteia]

I was a bit perplexed about the Balkan aspect until I refreshed my geographical history to find that Italy comprised some small bits of territory in the Balkan area. My mother's side identifies only as Italian. Ancestry records on father's side shows immigration from Austria/Poland/Czechoslovakia/Germany depending on where the borders were during whichever occupation. I hadn't visited 23andme for a long time and the ancestry timeline is new to me. It wasn't part of the reports back when I joined.

"Balkans" is not necessarily "from the Balkan area" It just means "southern gradient".

For my father and his sister, ethnic Russians, "Balkan" means, probably, "Ukrainian".

On the one hand, a huge part of Ukrainian emigres went through Serbia and other Balkan countries in 1918-1920, and before, too, some mixed with the locals. On the other hand, on the lands where my dad's ancestors lived, in Central Russia, Ukrainian Cossacks were resettled twice, first, after Poltava, and second time, after Catherine the Great basically destroyed Zaporozhskaya sich, the center of Ukrainian Cossacks.
Here is how it looks in my aunt's genome. (It has smaller amount of ethnicities than my dad and can fit in here.

I assume her Balkans were more likely the Ukrainians resettled in Central Russia by Catherine, (but could be someone imprisoned after Poltava battle, too, after 1709, as the villages where her maternal ancestors lived were then owned by Peter the Great's favorite, Alexander Menshikov, who could take as many prisoners as he needed and was not accountable. The Scandinavians in aunt's genome could be from the Swedes imprisoned in Poltava battle as well). And later the relatives of my aunt's Ukrainian ancestors mixed with the Balkanians, contributing to their modern genome.

Anyone who could mix with the Balkan inhabitants (and there were many ethnicities, say, Italians, or even Turks) and who is present in your genome - for whatever reason - can be "read" by computer as "Balkans".

Hopefully I made it clear. Bottom line is, we are comparing our modern genomes, and they might be the products of many European wars, migrations and calamities.

 

[Arkteia]

I was a bit perplexed about the Balkan aspect until I refreshed my geographical history to find that Italy comprised some small bits of territory in the Balkan area. My mother's side identifies only as Italian. Ancestry records on father's side shows immigration from Austria/Poland/Czechoslovakia/Germany depending on where the borders were during whichever occupation. I hadn't visited 23andme for a long time and the ancestry timeline is new to me. It wasn't part of the reports back when I joined.

( "Iberian" and "Ashkenazi" could be separate, but also, their mix might indicate Sephardic origin. The computer sees the groups present in your genome in modern Iberians and Ashkenazis, if it was the same person, he could very well be a Sephardim who chose to baptize and settle in Italy).

(On the other hand, the tiny percent of Ashkenazis could float with Poles/Germans), as to Balkans, it could also come with Polish DNA (West Ukrainian), or Austria that owned part of the Balkans for a while, but if the most verifiable part of you ancestry is Italian, chances are, it is from that side, as it is close to you in time.