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I am potentially interested in the diamond whose specs are outlined below. I have been reading these forums for several weeks, and now am hoping to tap some of your knowledge (this is my first post). I would be grateful if you can tell me if this is a decent diamond for the asking price. Thanks for anything you can offer. I look forward to reading the responses.

Price: $2,316.00
Report: GIA
Carat weight: 0.83
Cut: Excellent
Color: J
Clarity: VS2
Depth %: 62.0%
Table %: 54%
Symmetry: Excellent
Polish: Very good
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Faint
Measurements: 6.03x6.06x3.75 mm
HCA: 1.9 - Excellent within TIC range

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edited typo (cut grade changed to excellent)
 
Hi, FTP! Have you seen this stone?
 
also, GIA does not give the cut grade "ideal"
 
I searched 2-2.5K, .75-.85, I-J, VS2-SI1
not sure if it's eye-clean, but that's why they have returns: http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD00414392&filter_id=0
Expanding my search to 2.75K, I-J, VS-SI1 I found the I SI1 from earlier and 2_

www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD00315651&filter_id=0

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD00913328&filter_id=0

I don't know your budget, but I kept them all with >5.9mm diam, so they're all about the same size, since I assumed you wanted to maximize size, judging by the intial J VS2.
 
(i''m new but it looks nice to me)

I have an old round diamond that''s an I with very similar measurements, only not as good on the polish and symmetry and it take my breath away every day. I like the stone you picked.
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Thanks for the comments. I am looking for an eye clean diamond that is as large as possible for about $2300.

JulieN: I am trying to interpret your comments. Do you think the diamonds you listed offered a better value or are you just giving me more options? I've read on here that blue nile doesn't offer the best value but I haven't found anything better.

But I have found one other comparable diamond, listed on 3 sites for 3 different prices. Would this one be a better value? This one is a little smaller but 2% larger table. This diamond also says 'Clarity Characteristics: Crystal'. The above diamond says under comments: additional clouds not shown, internal grainings not shown. Does any of this matter?


$2,303
http://www.mondera.com/diamonds/product.asp?mscssid=MG9P2B5QVV5G8K9EHSTT1MXGFMJX2EKB&partno=440017

Price: $2,330
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=816256

Price: $2401
http://www.dirtcheapdiamonds.com/diamond_detail.cfm?did=9820837

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.82
Cut: Excellent
Color: J
Clarity: VS2
Certificate: GIA
Depth: 61.8%
Table: 56%
Polish: Excellent - Ideal
Symmetry: Excellent - Ideal
Girdle: Medium to slightly thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 5.97*6.01*3.70
HCA: 1 - Excellent within TIC range
Clarity Characteristics: Crystal
 
The ones I gave you all have better angle combinations. One of them actually does have a 41 PA, but CA with it is better than the one you picked.

ETA: I'd X the mondera, since we don't have more details. The JA and DCD one are actually the same stone, I believe. (Same company, price difference is probably wire price or something...)
 
Thanks, I may look into this one that you found...

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD00414392&filter_id=0
 
The Mondera one is the same diamond as the other listing - it has the same GIA Cert #.

But if this one is inferior I will drop it.
 
Yeah, that's the only AGS0 on the list.

Inclusions are usually never as bad as they look on the plot.
 
Ah. Well, I never said it was inferior, only that I didn't have more information on it, and we already have a list of 6 stones. I didn't realize it was the same stone. James Allen can get you Idealscope pictures.
 
How do these two compare?

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD00414392&filter_id=0 (from JulieN above)
AGS Ideal 0: http://www.bluenile.com/viewcert.asp?pid=LD00414392&zoom=1
Price: $2,186.00
Stock number: LD00414392
Carat weight: 0.78
Cut: Ideal
Color: J
Clarity: SI1
Depth %: 61.9%
Table %: 54%
Symmetry: Ideal
Polish: Ideal
Girdle: Medium to slightly thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 5.90x5.94x3.66 mm
HCA: 1.1 - Excellent
Factor Grade
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread or diameter for weight Very Good


http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD00913382&filter_id=0
AGS Ideal 0: http://www.bluenile.com/viewcert.asp?pid=LD00913382&zoom=1
Price: $2,219.00
Carat weight: 0.77
Cut: Ideal
Color: J
Clarity: VS2
Depth %: 60.8%
Table %: 55%
Symmetry: Ideal
Polish: Ideal
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 5.97x5.93x3.62 mm
HCA: 0.5 - Excellent
Factor Grade
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread or diameter for weight Very Good
 
Did you get the .77? Because it's not available anymore. Which I wouldn't buy, ANYWAY, because SOMEONE covered up the report number and date. ???? I actually had that diamond up on the list until I realized there was no date (and then I removed it.) Maybe I'm a cynic, but if I see an old-style AGS report but it is dated after the new system was rolled out, I would not buy it because, to me, that means the cutter knew it wouldn't get an AGS-0 light performance.
 
No, it wasn''t me. I''m still in the market...
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Dang Julie! You go girl! Seems like you''re pretty much taking the load of helping our friend here find the perfect stone.

I would have to agree w/ Julie about the date being covered up though, that seems a little strange...

btw - When did the new AGS system roll out?
 
I THINK May for princess and Sept for rounds, 2005. Something like that.
 
FTP, I really like the AGS0 J SI1. However, the inclusions are smack dab in the middle.

Ok, say you get the stone. And you can see inclusions. Shipping it back, USPS insured, registered...is like $20. I'm not sure
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but I think it's about there.

The definition of eye-clean is being able to see it from a distance of 8-10 cm away. The good news (!) is that since there seems to be so many specks, I think that means they are probably not black.
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That is, a white VS2 inclusion is allowed to be bigger than a black VS2 inclusion.

If you have particularly eagle eyes, this may not be for you.

lil jay estimates, in his experience, that 2 out of 3 SI1 stones (under a carat) are eye-clean.
 
Date: 5/8/2006 8:35:44 PM
Author: JulieN
FTP, I really like the AGS0 J SI1. However, the inclusions are smack dab in the middle.
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Yes - I was wondering about the position and was just reading a different thread about whether their position is important or not.

I am leaning towards asking if it is eyeclean, and then going from there... In the meantime I will keep my eyes open for similar diamonds.
 
Blue Nile will not know if it is eye-clean, since they drop-ship their stones. Basically, BN is a huge database. However, I guess you could ask them to ask the supplier.

I really don't want to seem like I know more than I do, so perhaps you could start a new thread, "help with interpreting plot," or something.
 
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