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So I was browsing through an issue of Modern Jeweler from a few months ago and I did something I don't normally do -- read the editorial. The article title caught my eye, "Winning Against the Web," but the whole thing left me feeling like I just had an experience with a used car salesman. I've put a few choice exerpts below, but here is a ink to the whole article: article

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How do you win a sale when faced with the web? Be familiar with your competition and exploit their weaknesses. Know what Blue Nile has and what they sell it for. At least 75 percent of your consumers will already have gone on-line. You must address this fact. I am amazed when I am the third jeweler a client has visited and yet they are still considering the Internet. Two jewelers before me have not done their job. Ask your client what they thought about their Internet experience. Act interested in their opinion (you actually should be) while you extract information. They will tell you if an e-tailer is really an option they would consider.

If a customer is considering buying on-line, I employ a few tactics and exploit a few weaknesses of on-line retailers. First, point out that Internet pricing is confusing. If they shopped Blue Nile, I take them to the site. I pick a stone search comparable to the stone they have described and ask them why is one 2 carat G/VS1 ideal cut priced at $24,500 and another $31,500? They can’t answer. They don’t know. They always tell me about the cheaper one. It must be a better deal. No one ever comes in about the one at $31,500. I tell them that if the same site is charging so much less for one stone something must be up with it. If you saw a car site with two Mercedes, the same model, same mileage, color, etc., and the prices were $24,500 and $31,500, what would you think? I remind them that they are neither a car mechanic nor a gemologist. I let them draw their own conclusions. They now wonder what is wrong with the cheaper one.

My favorite story is the couple who met on the Internet (so they surely are not scared of buying there). I bring up eharmony.com and match.com. I ask: “So when you met on the site did you click on the ‘marry her’ icon?” which again shows that researching on the Internet is great but buying is ridiculous! They smile, laugh, and agree. We all want to see it, try it, drive it, and date it first! Clients don’t want to buy from the Internet; they want to buy from us. That’s why they’re in your store.

If the diamond cost was $5,300 (in the middle of the Blue Nile pack), you made $2,600, almost 50 percent. That is probably the best it gets these days. Make this list for your client. Make the Internet your friend. Let the client know it’s OK, in fact, it’s good as a source for research, but not for buying.


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Makes you want to bolt right out and buy a diamond from this guy at his B&M, doesn't it? I mean, can you just *feel* the level of genuine educaiton you're going to get from him? And the true interest he has in making sure you leave there a satisfied customer with the best possible option for your money?
 
Whoever wrote that article does not know what they are talking about; sounds like they don't know much about diamonds either!!!!
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Date: 5/20/2008 9:43:47 AM
Author:Dee*Jay
So I was browsing through an issue of Modern Jeweler from a few months ago and I did something I don''t normally do -- read the editorial. The article title caught my eye, ''Winning Against the Web,'' but the whole thing left me feeling like I just had an experience with a used car salesman. I''ve put a few choice exerpts below, but here is a ink to the whole article: article

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So did all the local shopping I tried for my upgrade.
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Which is why I ended up online.
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Wow.

I started my diamond research with full intentions of buying it in a B&M. Then I stumbled upon this site, and was a changed man. Reading that article only re-affirms the truth we all know, and that is that buying online (from the reputable vendors discussed here), is clearly the way to go in terms of price, quality, and service.
 
Date: 5/20/2008 10:01:09 AM
Author: Doomaise
Wow.

I started my diamond research with full intentions of buying it in a B&M. Then I stumbled upon this site, and was a changed man. Reading that article only re-affirms the truth we all know, and that is that buying online (from the reputable vendors discussed here), is clearly the way to go in terms of price, quality, and service.
You also hit on one of the things that I was thinking as I read the article, but I want to expand it a bit: Many of our PS vendors have both a B&M presence and an on-line store, but can you fathom for one second that you would leave their B&M after having an experience like I imagine having with this guy? Just to name a few -- Would you ever see Bill Pearlman rolling his eyes at you as you asked a question? Would Brian at Whiteflash every snicker at your ignorance as you tried to comprehend what makes a well cut diamond? Or would Jon at GOG gffaw behind his hand as you asked to compare multiple stones side-by-side? NO! So it''s not just about B&M vs. on-line, it''s about quality vendors no matter what the sales channel. I know that there are *good* sole B&M jewelers too, and even though this article is narrow in topic, I don''t want to give the impression that I don''t recognize and value good B&Ms.
 
sorry but i may have had a slightly stronger reaction to this, basically it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth and makes this guy sound like an ignorant dinousaur - not to mention he hasn''t advised the B&M''s the most valuable way to turn a client off the internet - telling them how "there''s no real people behind the screen and they will just disappear with your money and send you glass!" hands up who hasn''t heard some trollop like this?
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LOL arjunajane, my reaction was pretty strong too, but I tried to be calm with my post so I didn't scare people away! If you would have heard the things I was saying to my husband last night after I read this article you would have been, shall we say, shocked at my potty mouth?!
 
Date: 5/20/2008 10:24:55 AM
Author: Dee*Jay
LOL arjunajane, my reaction was pretty strong too, but I tried to be calm with my post so I didn''t scare people away! If you would have heard the things I was saying to my husband last night after I read this article you would have been, shall we say, shocked at my potty mouth?!
ha ha lol , not at all sweetheart - I''m a lil ashamed to say I also have one of these potty mouths quite often...and this kinda thing really gets me going!
thankyou for sharing it though, good for a laugh hey..just thank God we all know better!

ps. Who wants to bet his actual job before this one was selling used cars, especially with the car analogy and all
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Date: 5/20/2008 10:24:55 AM
Author: Dee*Jay
LOL arjunajane, my reaction was pretty strong too, but I tried to be calm with my post so I didn''t scare people away! If you would have heard the things I was saying to my husband last night after I read this article you would have been, shall we say, shocked at my potty mouth?!
I wouldn''t be....
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Oh, sheesh just read the whole article - what a sleaze..
who is he kidding with comparing dodgy fake watches to buying certified diamonds online??? I just feel sorry for the ones that get suckered in by this talk..
Interesting how he doesn''t like to use WF or GOG (to name just a couple) for his "try but never buy" scenario..hmm..
 
Date: 5/20/2008 10:46:35 AM
Author: arjunajane
Oh, sheesh just read the whole article - what a sleaze..
who is he kidding with comparing dodgy fake watches to buying certified diamonds online??? I just feel sorry for the ones that get suckered in by this talk..
Interesting how he doesn't like to use WF or GOG (to name just a couple) for his 'try but never buy' scenario..hmm..
My thought when I read that part about the *watches* was poor Signed Pieces (and I'm sure there are others that I can't think of off the top of my head), who is actually selling real merchandise!

Yep, this guy managed to offend me in a variety of ways on behalf of all the PS vendors I've come to know and love -- and TRUST.
 
Sadly, he appears to be an actual GIA certified gemologist and 2nd gen jeweler. It''s unfortunate that he''s decided on "you''re too stupid to buy diamonds without my help" as a sales philosophy.
 
There is an element of the retail B&M jewelry industry that truly believes that when they talk badly about their competition it will never come back to bite them in the future. Well, the future has arrived and many retail dinosaurs are entering their last few years of business. There won''t be so many family members coming into mom and pop stores as once was the case and the principals simply retire while their children go off into other fields. Retailer has a changed face these days. Profits are squeezed and Internet buying is something which has had a growing effect on jewelry, especially diamond sales. The consumer seems to have benefited in terms of convenience and cost.

Meanwhile, the trade magazines are supported by advertising revenue from mostly non-internet related wholesalers and their subscribers are largely retailers with stores. The magazines are struggling too with the changes in where information is gathered. I often read Rapaport''s trade wire for up to the minute news of the day rather than wait two months for a magazine to print it and send it to me in the mail. Magazines tend to print the news their subscribers want to hear and this article is a good example. It really has some strong points for retailers. The wording is not happy.
 
Good post Dave there is actually some good stuff in the article but it is very badly written and for the wrong reasons.
 
Date: 5/20/2008 11:12:33 AM
Author: oldminer
There is an element of the retail B&M jewelry industry that truly believes that when they talk badly about their competition it will never come back to bite them in the future. Well, the future has arrived and many retail dinosaurs are entering their last few years of business. There won't be so many family members coming into mom and pop stores as once was the case and the principals simply retire while their children go off into other fields. Retailer has a changed face these days. Profits are squeezed and Internet buying is something which has had a growing effect on jewelry, especially diamond sales. The consumer seems to have benefited in terms of convenience and cost.

Meanwhile, the trade magazines are supported by advertising revenue from mostly non-internet related wholesalers and their subscribers are largely retailers with stores. The magazines are struggling too with the changes in where information is gathered. I often read Rapaport's trade wire for up to the minute news of the day rather than wait two months for a magazine to print it and send it to me in the mail. Magazines tend to print the news their subscribers want to hear and this article is a good example. It really has some strong points for retailers. The wording is not happy.
LOL, I was thinking of it biting them somewhere other than "the future"!
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You are so right though in pointing out where the advertising dollars are coming from and writing what you audience wants to hear. I just wish there was a more open mind about the potential coexistence of B&Ms and the internet. There will always be people who buy from a B&M, and I respect people's desire to look at it and touch it and lick it and smell it before plunking down their hard earned dough, but what I never see is an acceptance that both channels might be OK.

ETA: Just saw Storm's response and you do have a point that their is valid information in there but the *tone* makes me want to put down the magazine and go wash my hands...
 
Date: 5/20/2008 9:43:47 AM
Author:Dee*Jay
So I was browsing through an issue of Modern Jeweler from a few months ago and I did something I don''t normally do -- read the editorial. The article title caught my eye, ''Winning Against the Web,'' but the whole thing left me feeling like I just had an experience with a used car salesman. I''ve put a few choice exerpts below, but here is a ink to the whole article: article

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How do you win a sale when faced with the web? Be familiar with your competition and exploit their weaknesses. Know what Blue Nile has and what they sell it for. At least 75 percent of your consumers will already have gone on-line. You must address this fact. I am amazed when I am the third jeweler a client has visited and yet they are still considering the Internet. Two jewelers before me have not done their job. Ask your client what they thought about their Internet experience. Act interested in their opinion (you actually should be) while you extract information. They will tell you if an e-tailer is really an option they would consider.

That was me at one time I visited a bunch of jewelers with cash in my pocket and none of them could close the sale and that was long before I found PS!
Listen to your customers! wow good advice thats a new one,,,,,,
He should be amazed that himself and 2 of his buddies couldnt close a sale.
Instead of learning how many are going out of business.


If a customer is considering buying on-line, I employ a few tactics and exploit a few weaknesses of on-line retailers. First, point out that Internet pricing is confusing. If they shopped Blue Nile, I take them to the site. I pick a stone search comparable to the stone they have described and ask them why is one 2 carat G/VS1 ideal cut priced at $24,500 and another $31,500? They can’t answer. They don’t know. They always tell me about the cheaper one. It must be a better deal. No one ever comes in about the one at $31,500. I tell them that if the same site is charging so much less for one stone something must be up with it. If you saw a car site with two Mercedes, the same model, same mileage, color, etc., and the prices were $24,500 and $31,500, what would you think? I remind them that they are neither a car mechanic nor a gemologist. I let them draw their own conclusions. They now wonder what is wrong with the cheaper one.

That happens all the time right here on PS someone will ask why one diamond is so much cheaper than another of the same color and clarity. We point them in the right direction.


My favorite story is the couple who met on the Internet (so they surely are not scared of buying there). I bring up eharmony.com and match.com. I ask: “So when you met on the site did you click on the ‘marry her’ icon?” which again shows that researching on the Internet is great but buying is ridiculous! They smile, laugh, and agree. We all want to see it, try it, drive it, and date it first! Clients don’t want to buy from the Internet; they want to buy from us. That’s why they’re in your store.

Do a google search for diamonds, go to the first site listed and pretend to click the buy now on the first ring that comes up... what did you buy? not the best thats for sure unless your very lucky.

If the diamond cost was $5,300 (in the middle of the Blue Nile pack), you made $2,600, almost 50 percent. That is probably the best it gets these days. Make this list for your client. Make the Internet your friend.

Price match what an interesting concept!

Let the client know it’s OK, in fact, it’s good as a source for research, but not for buying.


outside of a handful of vendors that isnt bad advice about the average internet diamond dealer.
The average person will get a better overall package at a better independant b&m than ebay or a random internet site unless they are lucky enough to land here.


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Makes you want to bolt right out and buy a diamond from this guy at his B&M, doesn''t it? I mean, can you just *feel* the level of genuine educaiton you''re going to get from him? And the true interest he has in making sure you leave there a satisfied customer with the best possible option for your money?
 
The point of the above post is that I could rewrite it making a case for PS using the same points and everyone would be going I agree.
Its not what he is saying its how he is saying it that is slimy. There is actually some good advice for the trade and consumers in there if it was properly presented.
 
My issue with that "article" - and I use that term loosely, is that he''s basically advocating lying to the customer. Freely lying. And confusing them as well. That''s insane. Who is the writer DJ? I think we should know so we dont go into his store...Or maybe we should? Anyway, comparing Mercedes to diamonds is ridiculous. Anyone who knows this basics about diamonds would know that the probably reason that one diamond was in the 20k range and one was in the $30k range is simply because one is a better grade of stone. Duh. How difficult is that to comprehend? Not very, in my book.
 
Date: 5/20/2008 11:51:48 AM
Author: surfgirl
My issue with that 'article' - and I use that term loosely, is that he's basically advocating lying to the customer. Freely lying. And confusing them as well. That's insane. Who is the writer DJ? I think we should know so we dont go into his store...Or maybe we should? Anyway, comparing Mercedes to diamonds is ridiculous. Anyone who knows this basics about diamonds would know that the probably reason that one diamond was in the 20k range and one was in the $30k range is simply because one is a better grade of stone. Duh. How difficult is that to comprehend? Not very, in my book.

According to the aritcle it was written by Guest Editor Bret Morris.


BTW, what everyone sees in my original post are just snippets that I pulled out of the article. If you click on the link you can see the full text.
 
Almost everyone would prefer to buy from a local merchant and almost everyone starts out shopping at their local jeweler with every intention of ending up there. So why do an increasing number end up buying from someone far away? Here’s a few reasons.

#1 Perceived better prices. Sometimes this is true and sometimes it’s not but it doesn’t really matter because people see ‘on the Internet’ as meaning the way to buy things cheaply. This leaves the sensible jeweler with several options on how to compete. They can offer more competitive prices, they can offer different merchandise or they can make their bundle sufficiently attractive that people shop with you despite the higher prices. No one shops at Tiffany because they think it’s a cheap place to buy stuff but they are not only one of the most successful storefront jewelers, they’re one of the online success stories as well.

#2 Confidence. It’s surprising to me that the ‘Internet’ and big box dealers like Walmart have become the most trustworthy of jewelers but this seems to be how it’s evolving. An increasing number of people see the local jeweler as a used car salesman and ‘certified’ goods at Blue Nile as the way to accurately get what you want. What to do? Fix the presentation. Train the staff. Plug into the community. Sell what you say you’re selling. Do what you say you’ll do. This is an area where the locals should be able to blow the doors off of the far away folks if they try.

#3 Convenience. Again, I’m a little surprised that the long-distance dealers have managed to co-opt this one. People see it as faster and more convenient to buy even a custom piece from a jeweler a thousand miles away than someone down the street. Who would have guessed? The solution? Do quality work and do it quickly. Train the jewelers and don’t just use the cheapest tradeshop you can find. Take responsibility for you’re your work. Take advantage of the fact that you’ve got a showroom and can present actual merchandise. Handle problems quickly and with a smile. These are not exactly revolutionary ideas.

#4 Quality. Another surprise. Most of the customers here are extremely quality sensitive folks who will go way over backwards to get exactly what they want and are unhappy about it when things don't measure up. The oft recommend dealers around here do an extraordinary job but, again, the local dealers have an inherent advantage because they can show off actual merchandise. The solution? Show ‘em what you can do and then do it well. Train the salespeople to explain what makes your offers special and train and hire jewelers who can produce it. Have a quality control system in place BEFORE the merchandise ever leaves the shop. Buy from the best vendors, not necessarily the cheapest.

#5 Education. This is a tough one. The best Internet sites are loaded with educational content and customers can spend hours, days or months educating themselves without much staff involvement. This is one of the big advantages that the Internet people actually have rather than the phantoms addressed in the article. Even if they have the knowledge, it’s just too time consuming (meaning expensive) for salespeople to do this. The solution? Go online yourself. At this point, not having a website is on par with not having a telephone. It’s nuts. Customers who want in-depth education WILL go there and they will read what you’ve got to say. There’s nothing that most of the far away people are doing that a local jeweler can’t do as well. It’s just work. Any store who wants to can be ahead of 98% of the online jewelers in terms of useful educational content for less than they spend on newspaper ads.

Neil Beaty
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Professional Jewelry Appraisals in Denver
 
I find it ironic that a publication calling itself "Modern Jeweler" repeatedly publishes articles which attempt to provide retail jewelers with ways to combat internet sales of diamonds rather than embrace the internet as a "modern" method of advertising their products, services, market advantages and strengths. Another article featured in Modern Jeweler a few months ago titled "Love at First Sight" was discussed on Price Scope on the thread Confused Bridal Magazine Advice and the advice provided within that article is just as "amazing"

I find this comment amusing:
"If a customer is considering buying on-line, I employ a few tactics and exploit a few weaknesses of on-line retailers. First, point out that Internet pricing is confusing."

"Tactics" represent a method of sales which is only employed by people who are only interested in closing the sale as opposed to actually solving the needs of their client. Professional sales people have an authentic interest in helping their clients find the product or solution that best solves their needs and which fits their situation. Sometimes that means NOT selling what we have to offer to a client, sometimes it means referring a client to a trusted competitor who represents what that particular client needs or wants. "Tactics" are employed by sales people who are SKEEZY!

He goes on to verbally vomit:
"I pick a stone search comparable to the stone they have described and ask them why is one 2 carat G/VS1 ideal cut priced at $24,500 and another $31,500? They can’t answer. They don’t know. They always tell me about the cheaper one." blah, blah, blah, followed by "I let them draw their own conclusions. They now wonder what is wrong with the cheaper one."

Hey Mr. Modern Jeweler "guest editor" Bret Morris, here's a concept... Why not provide your clients with an explanation as to why two diamonds which you claim to be similar are priced differently? Why not provide your customers with a little "real" knowledge? A little in-depth education that is worth something? Are you afraid that your "tactics" won't work if you actually provided your clients with a factual explanation as to the reasons why diamonds which appear to be similar are priced differently?

"I relay my experience of a client telling me of a gemologist who helps consumers locate a diamond on-line and gives them an appraisal for a fee of $900."

This guy is killing me! Show me a person here on PS who would pay $900.00 for an appraisal?!?! Show me ONE. I have a story... It's about the online client who looked around here on PS and educated themselves about diamonds because the "tactics" used by their local jewelers made them uncomfortable and left them feeling like there was more to the story... They contacted us for a quote and came to the realization that they couldn't afford the ideal cut (only) options that we sell, but they liked what we had to say, so they asked who else we thought they could trust, we mentioned a few other online dealers who we were comfortable with... A few days later they sent a lab report to us and said "what do you think about this diamond from Blue Nile" and the diamond had potential, so we told them so and we told them why we thought it was a viable option - the proportions were outside of our preferred range, outside the scope of our selection criteria, but it had "potential" so they brought it in with the understanding that it was a "needle in the haystack" type of possibility... As it turns out, they didn't like the stone, so they returned it to Blue Nile who refunded their money without question, including the shipping. Out of pocket expense = $0 Bret, not $900.00 because (apparently) none of the appraisers who you know were involved. Then they found a diamond on White Flash and again, they ran it by us and we said "looks good, lots of potential with this one!" and they brought it in, and they liked it... So they ran it by a local gemologist who charged them $120.00 and he said "it's a keeper!" so they kept it. $120.00 is a far cry from $900.00 Bucko! And we're not the only online dealers who provide our clients with advice regarding diamonds that clients are interested in from other vendors, I know this because our customers tell us that "this online dealer" or "that online dealer" liked the paper on your stone and suggested I buy it... Now that's community, that's customer care, that is NOT "tactics".

I can't read this garbage, it makes me itch. Proof that anybody can be an "author" if they can type. I hope that lots of traditional retailers read his article and take it to heart, more clients for Nice Ice and our trusted competitors like GOG, WF and Wink Jones who are "Modern Jewelers" embracing the internet for the marketing tool that it is and providing our customers with online education by regularly adding informative, educational articles to our web sites and contributing to VAST online resources like PS to dampen the effect of "tactics" like this one featured in Modern Jeweler. My journalism teacher would have called this article "yellow, irresponsible, unfounded journalism" and referred to the "publication" as a "rag"
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No no Todd - tell us what you really think!
 
Date: 5/20/2008 2:20:43 PM
Author: Dee*Jay
No no Todd - tell us what you really think!

Just add Mojito, what little verbal filter I have just goes away
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What surprises me about the tone of the editorial is that it pre-supposes that traditional jewelers want to see themselves in the light presented. Were I a jeweler, would I want advice on how to how to use the Internet to my advantage? Yes. Would I want advice on how to compete against the Internet? Yes. Would I want to be told that my best hope is to use "tactics" to prey on the fear and uncertainty of my customers, to maneuver them into dependency? No. Good Lord, man - even if you''re advising me to be a bad person in order to be a successful jeweler, don''t make it sound that way.
 
Just sent a lovely e-mail to the folks ([email protected]):

"To Whom it may concern -
I would just like to comment on the article published in the "Modern Jeweler". "Winning a sale" for you apparently means exploiting consumer''s ignorance of the intricacies of diamond grading and pricing ("they can’t tell the difference") instead of trying to be competitive with online retailers, or at least getting so close in price as to warrant the (smaller) price difference due to better customer service, convenience of location and ability to view/compare several diamonds on site. Instead, it is probably easier to tell customers fairy tales (of course "you don’t want the client to feel like they’re “being sold.”") such as a $900 cost for an independent appraisal, which is a blatant lie. Unfortunately many customers will (still) fall for it - but hopefully not for long. Maybe a first step would be to link this article to customer review sites for your store(s) online - I am sure that it will increase the "trust" that consumers will have in their local jeweler - including yourself.
Best wishes,
signed xyxyxy (an informed consumer unrelated to the internet diamond retail industry)
 
Modern Dinosaur, oops, I mean Modern Jeweler doesn''t have the guts to publish a great industry "wake-up" letter like Todd has written. Todd has more writing skill and knowledge about the modern world of the jeweler than this so-called guest journalist. The power of the press is still considerable. Pushing the truth has long been an uphill battle. I think it is worth the effort.
 
makes me even happier i decided to buy online for my first diamond purchase (WF).. I so didnt want to deal with the car salesmen type of thing. thankfully PS eased my fears and seeing some of the results from others here really re-enforced my decision.
 
Well, somebody just got their frst YELP review:
http://www.yelp.com/biz_share?flow=reviewpost&bizid=1RQg0ZskNzSCrNd3YkPiSw&reviewid=6hLlICKUJGHMt84sjB7P_w&fsid=3Vf6K3mk7jwuGA8P-qFdyw
Ah, the evil internet strikes again.
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Threadjack (can I jack my own thread LOL?): What is "yelp"?
 
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