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My mother''s ring has now passed on to me, I am her son. I first recall seeing her with the ring in 1992. I don''t have a lady in my life currently and I would like to keep the diamond and put it into a custom man''s setting.
Based on reading up on diamond subject matter, and some common skills aquired from 25 years in the coin and currency hobby I have this info/opinion:
It''s a 11.45mm round brilliant cut diamond, estimated to be VS1 clarity, and estimated to be Q-R-S''ish color. The diamond performs well and it''s appealing to the eye. Symmetry is nice, polish is nice, little bit of blue flourescence.
Local upscale jewelers opinions have been inline, though they are very hesitant to render much information on my stone.
Oddy enough, one jewler had a close match with similar color/size/performance, just differing by clarity I1.
He recommended that I put together a set of matched earrings
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funny!

So, here come my serious questions if you have some time to give:

I want to get all the data on the diamond after it''s removed from its simple setting and before it goes back into another ring.
*What 3rd party assessment can provide the color grade, color origin, clarity grade, cut grade, and facet angles in 1 report?
*And at what price for the service?
Not sure if it will make the "fancy" designation, I may just continue to look and compare with stones graded as such to see if I want to shoot for that 3rd party color origin.
*How should I approach a dealer if all I want to do is "eyeball compare" some showcase fancy-colored 3rd party graded stones to my own?
I''ve done this with my coin collecting hobby, by assembling 3rd party grading sets for condition(wear), as it easily takes out most of the questions with visual comparisons. Not an easy task to assemble a color grading set with diamonds, even the Gemoro color set doesn''t do very well against a 5+ carat for comparisons.

The color is noticably yellow, and I would like to push the yellow color, since I can''t push the white color.
*What are all the tricks that can be used in a setting to push the color towards the fancy yellow side?
*I have heard re-cutting has the potential to improve the visual intensity of the color, where can I get info on this?
*How to determine a good candidate?
*If the stone eye''s-up with more color, would that translate to a change in the 3rd party color opinion and origin designation?

I want to have a custom men''s setting made because looking through the standard catalogs is no good, the massive size of the diamond forces out all the interesting design elements that I see in catalogs and online.
*Where can I view a variety of mens setting for a 5+ carat stone, to find more design elements that I like?

I''ve talked with several jewelers and the prices vary widely, with high and low differing by 5x. That makes me want to make a ring myself. I''ve started looking into this already. Not just to save money. but as an interesting new hobby.
*What pricing structures are industry standard for a creating custom ring?


The diamond is just about big as my thumbnail, hence the ID.


Thumbnail
Dallas, TX
 
Date: 1/18/2010 5:33:39 PM
Author:Thumbnail

My mother's ring has now passed on to me, I am her son. I first recall seeing her with the ring in 1992. I don't have a lady in my life currently and I would like to keep the diamond and put it into a custom man's setting.
Based on reading up on diamond subject matter, and some common skills aquired from 25 years in the coin and currency hobby I have this info/opinion:
It's a 11.45mm round brilliant cut diamond, estimated to be VS1 clarity, and estimated to be Q-R-S'ish color. The diamond performs well and it's appealing to the eye. Symmetry is nice, polish is nice, little bit of blue flourescence.
Local upscale jewelers opinions have been inline, though they are very hesitant to render much information on my stone.
Oddy enough, one jewler had a close match with similar color/size/performance, just differing by clarity I1.
He recommended that I put together a set of matched earrings
9.gif
funny!

So, here come my serious questions if you have some time to give:

I want to get all the data on the diamond after it's removed from its simple setting and before it goes back into another ring.
*What 3rd party assessment can provide the color grade, color origin, clarity grade, cut grade, and facet angles in 1 report?
*And at what price for the service?
Not sure if it will make the 'fancy' designation, I may just continue to look and compare with stones graded as such to see if I want to shoot for that 3rd party color origin.
*How should I approach a dealer if all I want to do is 'eyeball compare' some showcase fancy-colored 3rd party graded stones to my own? Just ask.
I've done this with my coin collecting hobby, by assembling 3rd party grading sets for condition(wear), as it easily takes out most of the questions with visual comparisons. Not an easy task to assemble a color grading set with diamonds, even the Gemoro color set doesn't do very well against a 5+ carat for comparisons.

The color is noticably yellow, and I would like to push the yellow color, since I can't push the white color.
*What are all the tricks that can be used in a setting to push the color towards the fancy yellow side? I believe setting in yellow gold can help emphasize the tint.
*I have heard re-cutting has the potential to improve the visual intensity of the color, where can I get info on this?
*How to determine a good candidate? You could speak to Brian Gavin at www.briangavindiamonds.com as he offers a recutting service, he would be the best person to advise you and he is located in Houston. It isn't possible for me to advise concerning what is can be done with your stone so that would be best left to him, however I just wanted to mention recutting isn't without risk as it isn't unheard of for a diamond to break or shatter while being recut and the owner of the stone normally has to take the loss. Also not all diamonds are suitable candidates for a recut. Depending on what you decide for cut quality, it might involve a considerable loss of weight but this can depend on the standards you want the stone recut to, a precision cut of top quality can cost more weight than just a fine cut for example.
*If the stone eye's-up with more color, would that translate to a change in the 3rd party color opinion and origin designation?

I want to have a custom men's setting made because looking through the standard catalogs is no good, the massive size of the diamond forces out all the interesting design elements that I see in catalogs and online.
*Where can I view a variety of mens setting for a 5+ carat stone, to find more design elements that I like?

I've talked with several jewelers and the prices vary widely, with high and low differing by 5x. That makes me want to make a ring myself. I've started looking into this already. Not just to save money. but as an interesting new hobby.
*What pricing structures are industry standard for a creating custom ring?


The diamond is just about big as my thumbnail, hence the ID.


Thumbnail
Dallas, TX
Hi Thumbnail and welcome to Pricescope!

That is one enormous diamond you have there....!
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Firstly, an independant appraisal would give you the info you need on your diamond, here is theappraiser tool and there are some appraisers listed in the Dallas area. Pricing can vary, some charge by the carat as an example so it would be best to contact the appraiser of your choice and get a quote. Also if the stone does not already have a major lab report, you could send it to GIA to obtain one.

Further thoughts are in bold above.
 
Many Questions. Here’s a few answers


What 3rd party assessment can provide the color grade, color origin, clarity grade, cut grade, and facet angles in 1 report?

www.gia.edu.
Accept no substitute. Then hire an appraiser to assist.

*And at what price for the service?
http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/fees_payment/lab_fees/DiamondFees-USD-Sep.pdf
Don’t forget the cost of insured shipping to NYC or sunny Carlsbad
Appraisers set their own rates but all that I know will be happy to give you an estimate before any work starts.

Not sure if it will make the 'fancy' designation, I may just continue to look and compare with stones graded as such to see if I want to shoot for that 3rd party color origin.
This’ll be part of the above evaluation.

*How should I approach a dealer if all I want to do is 'eyeball compare' some showcase fancy-colored 3rd party graded stones to my own?
Hi Mr. Jeweler. I would like to see some of your inventory to compare with my own. OK?

I've done this with my coin collecting hobby, by assembling 3rd party grading sets for condition(wear), as it easily takes out most of the questions with visual comparisons. Not an easy task to assemble a color grading set with diamonds, even the Gemoro color set doesn't do very well against a 5+ carat for comparisons.
Color will be one of the items on your GIA report. The Gemoro CZ color set is a waste of money.
You're right, color master sets are expensive and a pain to assemble.

The color is noticably yellow, and I would like to push the yellow color, since I can't push the white color.
OK

*What are all the tricks that can be used in a setting to push the color towards the fancy yellow side?
Set it in yellow with white metal and/or diamonds around it.

*I have heard re-cutting has the potential to improve the visual intensity of the color, where can I get info on this?
Talk to a cutter or an appraiser who has experience in this industry. Expect a fee for talking to you about recutting issues above and beyond the appraisal discussed in item #1. I charge by the hour for this sort of consultation, others may do it for a flat rate.

*How to determine a good candidate?
Same as above.

*If the stone eye's-up with more color, would that translate to a change in the 3rd party color opinion and origin designation?
No, not unless it gets you ‘fancy’ color designation. Color origin won’t change unless you have it treated.

I want to have a custom men's setting made because looking through the standard catalogs is no good, the massive size of the diamond forces out all the interesting design elements that I see in catalogs and online.
Talk to a custom jewelry designer.

*Where can I view a variety of mens setting for a 5+ carat stone, to find more design elements that I like?
Same as above.

I've talked with several jewelers and the prices vary widely, with high and low differing by 5x. That makes me want to make a ring myself. I've started looking into this already. Not just to save money. but as an interesting new hobby.
OK. Have fun.

*What pricing structures are industry standard for a creating custom ring?
Each craftsman sets their own rates both in terms of how they value their own time and talents and what they feel is necessary for the job at hand. Some are a lot more than others and the cheapest are rarely the best. The range is considerable.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
Well, I can''t help on some, but as far as color, clarity, angles etc, you would have a couple choices

1) submit it to an independent lab, either GIA or AGS would be the best. You can check out pricing for GIA at www.gia.edu and AGS at www.agslab.com. This would give you an authoritative document for color, clarity and cut grade, but only have averages for facet angles.

or

2) take or send it to an independent appraiser that has a Sarin or Helium scanner. If you are just wanting the information for your own knowledge, this may be a good way to go. A Helium or Sarin report would show angles for all the facets, as well as averages and the appraiser would be able to give you color and clarity grading. The opinion of an appraiser is not worth as much as a lab report when it comes to resale value, but would be fine if all you are concerned about is knowing the stats. Appraisers fees vary, so you would have to contact them.

As far as recutting, the only person qualified to give any kind of opinion is a cutter. I don''t know if Brian Gavin deals much with cutting of fancy colors, but you could check. He is relatively close to you down in Houston.
 
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