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Hi there, I'm new to the board and not sure how to search existing threads so if this question is a repeat, please direct me to the answers!

I'm interested in finding an asscher in the H-I color range and something eye clean or close to it. Ive come across a stone that fits the budget, but is an L color with flor so faces up (I'm told) like an I. I am only seeing the diamond in videos (office and natural light) and it does look spectacular (VS1). I'm interested to know if I'm missing anything in terms of what to consider with a stone with flor and a lower color than I'd like for this cut. It's a large stone so this may play into things as well.

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denverappraiser said:
Personally I like fluorescence but L is not I. Perhaps reconsider what led you to that H-I spec but don't go for the logic that this is really an I spelled differently.
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OK thanks Denver..., I love the bright white of the higher colors; the step cuts to me need that brighter light to make them sparkle. Does flor give this? Probably not.
 
farrahlyn said:
Yeah, you're not going to get that bright white look with an L colored stone.

Take a look at these K's with Med-strong fluoro. they are not a bright white but a soft, creamy white face up.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...pthFrom=45&DepthTo=80&TableFrom=40&TableTo=83

If you're looking for that crisp white, Definitely stick to H or above... actually, prob G and above is better.
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Yes I agree but I've found I don't mind the H-I when the stone is VVS1 or 2. Not sure if this is a 'thing' or not but my own preference has been that the stone seems to reflect (more fire?) better when cleaner so I'm ok with the lower color. I guess for me this means shopping in person which is limiting.
 
HoneyBadger2 said:
Yes I agree but I've found I don't mind the H-I when the stone is VVS1 or 2. Not sure if this is a 'thing' or not but my own preference has been that the stone seems to reflect (more fire?) better when cleaner so I'm ok with the lower color. I guess for me this means shopping in person which is limiting.
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Yes, in person is really the best way. I thought I’d be ok with an H but when I saw it in person it was too tinted for my taste (keep in mind asschers do show tint much easier than rounds). Where do you live? Perhaps there’s a vendor nearby that can call in some quality stones for you to see.
 
ILikeShiny said:
Yes, in person is really the best way. I thought I’d be ok with an H but when I saw it in person it was too tinted for my taste (keep in mind asschers do show tint much easier than rounds). Where do you live? Perhaps there’s a vendor nearby that can call in some quality stones for you to see.
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We're in Toronto. The stone I'm interested in can be returned for a full refund and they overnight fed-ex so I guess we could do that but still need to pay first :) I have to say the stone looks amazing on video so not sure why it would look any different in person.
 
I'm with Neil that expecting an L to look like an I is, in general, not realistic.
Having said that, I've seen cases of MB or SB L's that really did look pretty white.
I've also found that the rule about step cuts showing more color isn't really a rule.
Sometimes yes, but not all the time- and not to all observers.
Let's remember that perception plays a large role in this - and as such, it will vary from person to person.
 
HoneyBadger2 said:
We're in Toronto. The stone I'm interested in can be returned for a full refund and they overnight fed-ex so I guess we could do that but still need to pay first :) I have to say the stone looks amazing on video so not sure why it would look any different in person.
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Do you want to share a link to the video for us to chime in with opinions?

Also, if you would like to share your budget and desired specs for your stone we would be happy to help you look!
 
I wouldn’t trust a video for color. Look at some of the stones on diamonds by Lauren to see how incredibly different gems can look with different photography and videos. I have an I color asscher with strong Fluor, and there is no tint at all. That’s as high as I would want to go.
 
If you prefer bright white then this stone is probably not for you. However, you may see something else you love about this stone, like how it’s cut. You can’t determine whether to rule it in or rule it out based on a video. Since the vendor has a good return policy why not have it sent to you and check it out? Look at it in all lighting conditions in your environment. If you can’t go to the stone to view it, have the stone sent to you. It’s a good way to determine what exactly your tolerances are regarding color. But don’t expect it to look like an H-I. If it’s the stone I think it is it won’t be available for long!
 
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I'd love to see some photos and videos. I think that expecting an L to look like an I due to flour. Is likely to leave you disappointed. I think there are some beautiful L colored asschers and emerald cuts in this forum if you poke around a bit. If you want it to face up as an H or I color I recommend ordering one.. or maybe a J with flouro. Alternatively you can ask for some detailed vids in all lighting conditions and judge by that if there is an excellent return window.
 
If you like H-I, an L shouldn't be a consideration as others have explained. If the L looked like an I, it would have been graded I.

HoneyBadger2 said:
Yes I agree but I've found I don't mind the H-I when the stone is VVS1 or 2. Not sure if this is a 'thing' or not but my own preference has been that the stone seems to reflect (more fire?) better when cleaner so I'm ok with the lower color. I guess for me this means shopping in person which is limiting.
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The clarity has nothing at all to do with color or fire. A VS1 is going to look as clean as a VVS when you look at it. Really low clarity like SI2-I1 can affect the light return, but not for VS and up, and usually not with most SI1's. VS is where I usually start looking for step cuts. The cut has everything to do with fire. You want a nice high crown and smaller table for fire. But fire is only seen in certain lighting environments.

As others have said, we can help you look. Great asschers are not easy to find, so limiting yourself to local jewelers would be almost impossible. Many of us have bought asschers via jewelers we know of here and had them shipped to us with a return policy. Tell us your budget and we already know you'd prefer I color or higher.
 
HoneyBadger2 said:
Yes I agree but I've found I don't mind the H-I when the stone is VVS1 or 2. Not sure if this is a 'thing' or not but my own preference has been that the stone seems to reflect (more fire?) better when cleaner so I'm ok with the lower color. I guess for me this means shopping in person which is limiting.
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Lets do some myth busting. First of all a VVS2 or VVS1 is going to look no difference or have any more or less fire than an eye clean VS1 or VS2 if you have ever seen stones that look less clean or having less fire then they are probably smucky and full of inclusions, or perhaps internally cloudy for whatever reason.

Second point not all fluorescence makes stones a better colour and in fact sometimes in a small amount of stones it can have an adverse effect making some diamonds look like they are straining to sparkle and they will generally have less fire.

Colour is subjective, the whiter the stone the more bright light is returned to the human eye. I have a white facing OEC that is an L that on the certificate says "tinted white" it faces like an I to a J stone most of the time but it's not a Emerald cut and its still not ice white.

You also need to be aware of which lab the stone is certified with. AGL and GIA are the two best ones everywhere else can be several grades out in colour and clarity - this could be another reason if you have looked at diamonds in shops lower than VVS clarities before they appeared less bright because the clarity was actually incorrect by AGL or GIA standards.
 
Thanks everyone for the helpful info. I’m actually thinking the stone I’m looking at may be too big. Did I just write that?! Lol. Here is one we’re considering that is local but it’s already set in a ring so it’s not exactly what I’m looking for. It’s an I, vvs2 3.90ct. I have large hands so don’t want too small but I feel like something 3 a 3.5 would be better. I’m curious if others think this is too big. This is (obviously) an emerald cut but I love both step cuts. E737D362-8979-4F37-B31E-0E1BF0299879.jpeg
 
I don't think it looks too big on you at all. However, most of the people I am around wear around 1 ct stones, so I would be self-conscious wearing a stone that large. I have a 2.3 ct round and a 2.7 ct antique asscher and that's really as large as I am comfortable wearing. So I just have two diamonds rather than one larger one. I think everyone's situation is different, so you have to judge based on your own comfort level. I'd love to have an EC that size, though!
 
HoneyBadger2 said:
Thanks everyone for the helpful info. I’m actually thinking the stone I’m looking at may be too big. Did I just write that?! Lol. Here is one we’re considering that is local but it’s already set in a ring so it’s not exactly what I’m looking for. It’s an I, vvs2 3.90ct. I have large hands so don’t want too small but I feel like something 3 a 3.5 would be better. I’m curious if others think this is too big. This is (obviously) an emerald cut but I love both step cuts. E737D362-8979-4F37-B31E-0E1BF0299879.jpeg
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Not too big at all! It looks great on you. And trust me, DSS will set in quickly ;)2 I have big knuckles and short fingers so I also needed a big stone to have any presence. I ended up with a 3ct asscher in a halo and it’s a great size on me - not so large that it attracts tons of attention but not so small that it’s typical.

Plus, it’s really about the spread. My 3ct asscher has the spread of around a 2ct round if I remember correctly. If you haven’t played around with it yet, you can check how different sizes/stone shapes would look on your finger at www.diamdb.com
 
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I'd get it sent - it's from OWD right if that IG link is right? And it looks gorgeous. If all you have to lose is the shipping, I reckon it'd be worth it.
 
You still haven't mentioned which lab it was certified with - this is really important because your L could actually be a M,N,O or a P stone by GIA standards. I keep asking this point because I don't want to see you being ripped off. And photos from vendors don't mean a lot diamonds can be put in various lighting situation to look whiter or to show more colour and some vendors photoshop their pics.
 
Hmmm. Pretty stone! Well if you feel like taking a ccchance on color and there's a good return I say go for it. It's not going to face up as an I tho GIA is pretty spot on
 
arkieb1 said:
You still haven't mentioned which lab it was certified with - this is really important because your L could actually be a M,N,O or a P stone by GIA standards. I keep asking this point because I don't want to see you being ripped off. And photos from vendors don't mean a lot diamonds can be put in various lighting situation to look whiter or to show more colour and some vendors photoshop their pics.
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I believe it’s a GIA L
 
What type of setting are you looking to have the stone you ultimately end up with in? That will also determine what color you might be best to go with.
 
Ideally I’d like a very simple 3 stone (side baguettes) setting in platinum. I realize a warmer metal would help to offset the warmer stone but I think I’d tire of something trendy. 095e24a3a083d51b0ce23540988834bf.jpg
 
OP I love your setting idea! Btw I am not sure what your budget is exactly and I don’t know how much this diamonds costs, but I saw it on IG recently and I thought that it was pretty: https://instagram.com/p/BeTM4c4lOye/

I also like the asscher from OWD, but there seems to be something in the symmetry that bugs me. Maybe it’s just me and I am not an asscher expert, so I will let the other folks advice further!
 
I think it will look obviously tinted in real life. In the close up pics the top one looks pale yellow to my eye.
 
Yes I too am thinking the symmetry is off slightly and it’s not just the squareness ratio. My brain picks up on these things too. As for budget, ideally under 40K all in.

Thanks for the other suggestion but I really do think it’s too big! Lol.
 
I have a 3.4 AGS L VS2 round with strong fluorescence. Without seeing it in person I would never have thought it would face up as white as it does Now that being said if I sat it next to a H or I I'm sure the diff would be evident and maybe vey obvious But in real life when doe that happen? But buying on line was not an option I needed to see it Being in Toronto there must be a lot of wholesalers you could choose from I would try to view as many as you can Good luck!! this is the fun part
 
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