Looking to purchase and need some help

[hotskate]

I am looking to purchase a diamond and need help trying to track one down for a deal. I have looked online at several websites and went locally to a few wholesalers i know as well. The whole salers tell me that from time to time they come across people selling diamonds or ER in which they purchase for a fraction of the cost they pay for there typical diamonds and pass the savings on to the buyer. I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone who is selling the following:

I am looking for a 1.875-2.25ish Carat Cushion Cut VS1/VS2 F/G color do you think you can help me or point me in the right direction?

If i came across a deal i couldnt pass up on comprable specs but round i would do it also.

Thank you in advanced

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Modern cushion or antique style cushion? And what is her ring size?

This one is just a little smaller than you are looking for, but it is a bargain considering it is made by a well known designer, Daniel K:

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/preloved-ps-jewels/daniel-k-platinum-pave-cushion-halo-for-sale-t171122.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/preloved-ps-jewels/daniel-k-platinum-pave-cushion-halo-for-sale-t171122.html[/URL]

 

[hotskate]

Thank you so much for your fast response the diamond is smaller and specs are a little bit lower then what i was looking for.

$16,500 seems pretty high the diamond it self assuming the best proportions and GIA certificate is $11,700

 

[farmer gal]

What is your budget?

 

[hotskate]

Under 15k

 

[Christina...]

Thank you so much for your fast response the diamond is smaller and specs are a little bit lower then what i was looking for.

$16,500 seems pretty high the diamond it self assuming the best proportions and GIA certificate is $11,700

umm...if you can find a 2 ct diamond with ideal proportions with those specs and fantastic light perfomance for $11700. then you should jump on that deal.

 

[farmer gal]

Is that just for the diamond or the ring as a whole? What kind of setting are you thinking?

 

[hotskate]

Thank you

 

[hotskate]

Is that just for the diamond or the ring as a whole? What kind of setting are you thinking?

Just the diamond

 

[Christina...]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tacori-18kt-White-Gold-2-01-ct-VS2-H-GIA-Cushion-Cut-Diamond-Engagement-Ring-/280872664758?pt=Designer_Jewelry&hash=item416550beb6#ht_1085wt_610

 

[farmer gal]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tacori-18kt-White-Gold-2-01-ct-VS2-H-GIA-Cushion-Cut-Diamond-Engagement-Ring-/280872664758?pt=Designer_Jewelry&hash=item416550beb6#ht_1085wt_610

That's funny I was going to post that one too

 

[Christina...]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tacori-18kt-White-Gold-2-01-ct-VS2-H-GIA-Cushion-Cut-Diamond-Engagement-Ring-/280872664758?pt=Designer_Jewelry&hash=item416550beb6#ht_1085wt_610

That's funny I was going to post that one too

fantastic deal, wish I had a money tree....the setting alone is probably 4k-5k I would guess.

 

[Christina...]

http://diamondbistro.com/image/28391/item.html


This is an SI2 but if jbEG says it's eye clean then I would trust that and it's a fabulous deal!
http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Modern-and-Estate-Pieces/214-Round-Brilliant-Leon-Mege/15274538_dVjc5s#!i=1143522519&k=hhKR9

You can see more of LM work here...
http://www.artofplatinum.com/vault/

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Thank you so much for your fast response the diamond is smaller and specs are a little bit lower then what i was looking for.

$16,500 seems pretty high the diamond it self assuming the best proportions and GIA certificate is $11,700

Actually, that is quite a great price considering it is an excellent cut cushion and includes an expensive designer setting! Since it is on consignment, there is a chance they might take a small amount off, but still, it is a really good price for a designer piece because you are basically paying for the diamond and setting and not paying for the branding. Having a top quality setting made like that can easily be $4-5000.

You really need to revise budget or specs because you aren't going to just happen to find someone giving away a 2 ct. well cut cushion in F VS for under $15,000.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tacori-18kt-White-Gold-2-01-ct-VS2-H-GIA-Cushion-Cut-Diamond-Engagement-Ring-/280872664758?pt=Designer_Jewelry&hash=item416550beb6#ht_1085wt_610

That's funny I was going to post that one too

fantastic deal, wish I had a money tree....the setting alone is probably 4k-5k I would guess.

Yes, very nice find!

 

[hotskate]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tacori-18kt-White-Gold-2-01-ct-VS2-H-GIA-Cushion-Cut-Diamond-Engagement-Ring-/280872664758?pt=Designer_Jewelry&hash=item416550beb6#ht_1085wt_610

That's funny I was going to post that one too

That is beautiful! We looked at rings and she is personally does not like the halo look she likes more of the http://www.google.com/imgres?q=scott+kay+trellis&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&tbo=d&biw=1170&bih=575&tbm=isch&tbnid=sFrqGzgeMz9QYM:&imgrefurl=http://www.kranichs.com/products/10209/scott-kay-trellis-collection-diamond-engagement-ring&docid=hOTyVaTFeL2ryM&imgurl=http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/image/jewelrymedia/10209--M1617R310%253F%2524product-md%2524&w=300&h=300&ei=SkifT7XEBIPM2AXD-a2wAg&zoom=1

i know its not the best but that is more of an idea of what she likes if anything a little less busy then that! thank you so much for all of your help and input

 

[hotskate]

Thank you so much for your fast response the diamond is smaller and specs are a little bit lower then what i was looking for.

$16,500 seems pretty high the diamond it self assuming the best proportions and GIA certificate is $11,700

Actually, that is quite a great price considering it is an excellent cut cushion and includes an expensive designer setting! Since it is on consignment, there is a chance they might take a small amount off, but still, it is a really good price for a designer piece because you are basically paying for the diamond and setting and not paying for the branding. Having a top quality setting made like that can easily be $4-5000.

You really need to revise budget or specs because you aren't going to just happen to find someone giving away a 2 ct. well cut cushion in F VS for under $15,000.

Thank you for your reply. I am more shopping right now specifically for the diamond it self to be under 15k.

I have seen them come and go within the past year at local wholesalers but i was not ready at that time to jump on those deals.

Please let me know what you think i should be looking at then if i am off.

 

[hotskate]

This is an SI2 but if jbEG says it's eye clean then I would trust that and it's a fabulous deal!
http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Modern-and-Estate-Pieces/214-Round-Brilliant-Leon-Mege/15274538_dVjc5s#!i=1143522519&k=hhKR9

GORGEOUS!! Please provide me with more input and information ??

 

[Gypsy]

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/preloved-ps-jewels/daniel-k-platinum-pave-cushion-halo-for-sale-t171122.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/preloved-ps-jewels/daniel-k-platinum-pave-cushion-halo-for-sale-t171122.html[/URL]

I have to tell you, that I would ABSOLUTELY make an offer on this one if the setting works for you. That ring retails for 30k. Seriously, no joke. And Daniel K's workmanship is the best I've ever seen. And I have seen a LOT of pave and settings. That setting is so incredibly gorgeous and well made and delicate and just... out of this world. Pearlman's pics do NOT do justice to it. Another poster was looking at that ring and while it didn't work out for them, they did say that the price is pretty drastically negotiable. For that ring and that stone (and that stone faces up at the SAME SIZE as many 2 carat cushions) I would at LEAST make a phone call and ask if they would accept an offer of 13,500. I would be willing to bet you would be able to negotiate that with them. You would get a stone and an incredible setting for UNDER your stone budget. And also-- there is NO WAY you would get a halo setting of that quality under 5k, and honestly under 7k with all that detail. So it's a STEAL.

Seriously? What can a phone call hurt? Ask for Julian, he's a doll to work with.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

This is an SI2 but if jbEG says it's eye clean then I would trust that and it's a fabulous deal!
http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Modern-and-Estate-Pieces/214-Round-Brilliant-Leon-Mege/15274538_dVjc5s#!i=1143522519&k=hhKR9

GORGEOUS!! Please provide me with more input and information ??

$20,500 2.14 ct, G SI2 setting is size 4 3/8

last item on this page... http://jewelsbyericagrace.com/modern_and_estate_rings

With either of the pave rings posted, she would need to wear near the size the rings are currently. So while we are looking for you, it would really, really help to know her ring size!!!

 

[Christina...]

Jewels by Erica Grace primarily sells antique stones and jewelry however she does take diamonds on consignment. This is a ring that is being consigned through her, I believe that it's been listed for some time so it's possible that you may be able to make an offer, it may also mean that the owner is not budging on the price. It's an amazing quality setting by Leon Mege, who does is an amazing craftsman and hand forges all of his pieces. Because of the heirloom quality of his work, it is costly, the setting on this ring alone is probably in the 5k range, I'm guessing, it could be more. Several Psers have commissioned him to do rings and bands for them and his work is impeccable. If your interested in this ring, you should contact jbEG through their website. They reply to emails very quickly and are amazing to work with. It's possible that she may have other suggestions about pre owned pieces as well.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Gosh, I think $13,500 is way too low to offer for the DK ring! I think it will sell for a good bit more than that since it is already a really good deal at $16,500. I think on most consignment items you can expect some discount, but when they are already very well priced, I think the ring should sell for much closer to asking price... (like maybe 10% off).

BUT, making offers cannot hurt. Just don't have unrealistic pricing expectations!

 

[Christina...]

Thank you so much for your fast response the diamond is smaller and specs are a little bit lower then what i was looking for.

$16,500 seems pretty high the diamond it self assuming the best proportions and GIA certificate is $11,700

Actually, that is quite a great price considering it is an excellent cut cushion and includes an expensive designer setting! Since it is on consignment, there is a chance they might take a small amount off, but still, it is a really good price for a designer piece because you are basically paying for the diamond and setting and not paying for the branding. Having a top quality setting made like that can easily be $4-5000.

You really need to revise budget or specs because you aren't going to just happen to find someone giving away a 2 ct. well cut cushion in F VS for under $15,000.

Thank you for your reply. I am more shopping right now specifically for the diamond it self to be under 15k.

I have seen them come and go within the past year at local wholesalers but i was not ready at that time to jump on those deals.

Please let me know what you think i should be looking at then if i am off.

I would learn everything that I could about diamond cut. Many first time diamond buyers mistaken believe that if they buy a colorless diamond with a very good clarity grade, that the diamond will be bright and sparkly, but this is not the case. The most important characteristic of a diamond is it's cut, and well cut I SI1 will be more beautiful and perform better than a poorly cut E VVS2. You should learn about the HCA (under the tools tab above) This is used as a rejection tool only. It predicts the likely light performance of a diamond based on four key measurements, table, depth, pavillion and crown. If the diamond scores under 2 then it's worth further investigating, over 2 and it should be removed from your short list. After locating a stone that scores under two you should then request ASET images of the stone. This is a reflector technology that gives further information on the performance of the diamond, and shows if there is any leakage that is going to affect it's brilliance and fire. Once you have found a stone that passes both of these test, it's time to either have the stone sent directly to an appraiser to have it evaluated or to yourself for your evaluation, if you like the stone, then you should then have an appraiser take an look to confirm that it matches it's grading report and that there is no damage and to also write an appraisal for insurance purposes and to determine a value.

I would also only consider GIA or AGS excellent and ideal cuts. GIA and AGS are the strictest and most consistent labs in the world.

 

[Christina...]

I've been admiring this ring, and it's a fantastic deal, if only.....*sigh*

edits: oops I meant to quote DS in regards to the DanielK!

 

[hotskate]

Thank you for the information i am going to look into the HCA tools. Her ring size is a 4 yes a 4.. But i am more worried and concentrating on the diamond it self.I know what settings she likes and will want to get it customized and designed locally. I do not need a "name" brand setting vs what she really wants/likes.

You guys are so helpful and I greatly appreciate it.

 

[hotskate]

The HCA tool only works for round diamonds i would assume?

What are your guys thoughts on

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-02-CARAT-ROUND-G-VS2-VG-CUT-8-05-8-12x4-94MM-AUTHENTIC-EGL-CERTIFIED-DIAMOND-/220997437532?pt=Loose_Diamonds&hash=item337479485c#ht_2607wt_1110

I am just trying to get a feel for everything obviously

I have a local jeweler that
Cushion 1.82 G VS2 for $10,000 i do not have the specs as far as cut and symmetry etc. I just know the cut is definitely good- very good - excellent. I am not sure which one etc.

 

[Christina...]

EGL notoriously soft in there grading. For instance an EGL stone graded H VS2 is likely a J SI2 if it were graded by GIA or AGS. On the surface they appear to be a good deal, but when you learn what the true grading is, you will see that EGL is actually more expensive than a properly graded diamond by GIA or AGS. Cutters and dealers tend to send stones to EGL when they know that they will miss important color and or clarity grades by the more consistent labs. They do this because they will catch a premium price for the diamond. They also know that the average consumer understands what color is and what clarity is and if they see those grades on a lab report than they take that report at face value. Lucky for you, you found Pricescope and now know the difference. They get away with this because color and clarity grading of diamonds is subjective and opinion based. EGL also does pre-certs for dealers or cutters, so if the dealers get the report back and like what it says, they then submit the stone, obviously EGL gets the larger money for the full certs so they want the dealers to be happy enough with the pre cert to pay for the full cert, another reason to be soft on the grading. GIA and I believe AGS do not pre cert, so these same dealers take more of a risk by submitting to them especially if they believe that they have a diamond that fall between important color/clarity grades.

I can promise you that you will have a much more beautiful diamond by buying one of the other rings linked than if you were to buy this EGL. The rings that we posted are at an amazing discount and have wonderful cut, these will be your biggest values especially if you want a quality 2 ct stone. I wouldn't be able to find you anything well cut, and with you color and clarity specs,and that large from a vendor for under 15k. If a vendor were to list the stones that we linked to you, they would have a 20k plus price tag on them. You would essentially be receiving the a 5-7k setting for free. Also the angles of the stone you posted will not result in diamond with superior light performance. If I were going to be spend 10-15k on a diamond, I would be absolutely sure that the diamond had superior cut quality. Your much better off buying an AGS ideal or GIA excellent cut. I should also mention that an excellently cut H will be much whiter and brighter than a poorly cut F. So even if I had to move down a color grade to get the excellent cut I would do so in a heartbeat.

 

[Gypsy]

Gosh, I think $13,500 is way too low to offer for the DK ring! I think it will sell for a good bit more than that since it is already a really good deal at $16,500. I think on most consignment items you can expect some discount, but when they are already very well priced, I think the ring should sell for much closer to asking price... (like maybe 10% off).

BUT, making offers cannot hurt. Just don't have unrealistic pricing expectations!

Diamondseeker. I know for a fact that 13,500 is not too low an offer to be accepted. I checked myself with Pearlmans.

 

[hotskate]

EGL notoriously soft in there grading. For instance an EGL stone graded H VS2 is likely a J SI2 if it were graded by GIA or AGS. On the surface they appear to be a good deal, but when you learn what the true grading is, you will see that EGL is actually more expensive than a properly graded diamond by GIA or AGS. Cutters and dealers tend to send stones to EGL when they know that they will miss important color and or clarity grades by the more consistent labs. They do this because they will catch a premium price for the diamond. They also know that the average consumer understands what color is and what clarity is and if they see those grades on a lab report than they take that report at face value. Lucky for you, you found Pricescope and now know the difference. They get away with this because color and clarity grading of diamonds is subjective and opinion based. EGL also does pre-certs for dealers or cutters, so if the dealers get the report back and like what it says, they then submit the stone, obviously EGL gets the larger money for the full certs so they want the dealers to be happy enough with the pre cert to pay for the full cert, another reason to be soft on the grading. GIA and I believe AGS do not pre cert, so these same dealers take more of a risk by submitting to them especially if they believe that they have a diamond that fall between important color/clarity grades.

I can promise you that you will have a much more beautiful diamond by buying one of the other rings linked than if you were to buy this EGL. The rings that we posted are at an amazing discount and have wonderful cut, these will be your biggest values especially if you want a quality 2 ct stone. I wouldn't be able to find you anything well cut, and with you color and clarity specs,and that large from a vendor for under 15k. If a vendor were to list the stones that we linked to you, they would have a 20k plus price tag on them. You would essentially be receiving the a 5-7k setting for free. Also the angles of the stone you posted will not result in diamond with superior light performance. If I were going to be spend 10-15k on a diamond, I would be absolutely sure that the diamond had superior cut quality. Your much better off buying an AGS ideal or GIA excellent cut. I should also mention that an excellently cut H will be much whiter and brighter than a poorly cut F. So even if I had to move down a color grade to get the excellent cut I would do so in a heartbeat.

Wow thank you so much for all of the information. It is so hard to fathom that some of the ebay auctions that the seller has 1,000+ great feedback and what you speak of.

I am going to try and get in touch with my friends father whose been in the industry for over 30 years in whole sale and see what he can do .

I love that item you showed me but honestly just need the diamond and will have it set. I know that the setting would basically be free with that purchase but i don't need it.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Gosh, I think $13,500 is way too low to offer for the DK ring! I think it will sell for a good bit more than that since it is already a really good deal at $16,500. I think on most consignment items you can expect some discount, but when they are already very well priced, I think the ring should sell for much closer to asking price... (like maybe 10% off).

BUT, making offers cannot hurt. Just don't have unrealistic pricing expectations!

Diamondseeker. I know for a fact that 13,500 is not too low an offer to be accepted. I checked myself with Pearlmans.

Well, we won't argue about it on here, but I know that the owner of the ring is hoping for more than that. She isn't planning to give it away because there is no point in doing that. Nothing wrong with starting negotiations with a number like that, though.