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Diamond Inquisitor

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Hello All.

I''ve spent quite a bit of time reading the many posts in this forum, but I have to admit I am definitely NEW to the diamond world. In fact, I am in the process of purchasing my 1st quality diamond, one to be used as the center stone in an engagement ring. I think I''ve found one that has definite potential, and thought I would ask for some feedback from you guys. I don''t have ALL the specs, but I do have the following info:

Shape = Brilliant Round
Size = 1.29 ct.
Color = E
Clarity = VS1
Cut = "Tolkowsky" Ideal
Graining = Nil
Florescence = slight
Certification = EGL

Asking Price = $9,050.00

Any thoughts you guys have would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
What's the table and depth of this stone?? Do you have crown and pavillion angles?? EGL is known for being soft on their grading, is it EGL USA?? Also an IS would be helpful as well.
 
Have you seen it in person?
Which egl is it?
Some of the egl labs are very soft on grading.
 
Unfortunitally I don''t have much other information, but I can get all specs ASAP.

I did see the diamond in person, and it was beautiful. I tend to be stickler when it comes to color and clarity, and this diamond seemed AMAZING on both accounts.
 
Date: 1/5/2006 12:08:37 AM
Author: kaleigh
What''s the table and depth of this stone?? Do you have crown and pavillion angles?? EGL is known for being soft on their grading, is it EGL USA?? Also an IS would be helpful as well.
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Not to sound "dumb", butg what do you mean by "IS"?!?

Thanks!
 
The fact that you have seen it and it''s amazing is first and foremost in my book. Get the other specs to be on the safe side. I do believe you have to trust your eyes more than anything.
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Thanks kaleigh! I won''t be able to get the other specs till the AM, but will post as soon as possible to see what you (and others) think.

Should the "Slight" florescence grade bother me any? I was able to see the stone under a UV light, and the blue color was very faint. The stone in normal ligt did not look cloudy or oily. Any insight or thoughts would be great!
 
No slight fluoro is nothing to worry about. The other thing I would say is get this stone appraised by an independent appraiser. IS is an ideal scope image.
 
Is asking for an independent appraisal something I should (or can) do prior to purchasing, or would I do this after the fact?!? Who can is an IS?!?
 
People are probably not jumping for joy because although your stone has nice color and clarity, EGL is known to be ''soft'' on their grading. They don''t have as high a standards as AGS or GIA. Your E color might come closer to a G or H grade through the other labs.

Have you looked through the Pricescope list of diamonds? here

Here''s a beautiful stone from Whiteflash: 1.35 for $7582

Here''s another one: 1.21 for $7600

An A Cut Above Diamond from WF: 1.227 for $6060

These are just a few options. You can view their ideal scope (IS) image. Good luck!
 
Found some more beauties from Good Old Gold which is another reputable Pricescope jeweler:
here and here
 
Thanks for the insight and options, Jelly!

Is there a way to test or appraise a stone for accurate grading PRIOR to purchasing?!? If so, who (what cridentials) do you take it to?

Thanks again!
 
Take the stone to an independant appraiser. Look in your local phone book, or I''m sure there are listings online. There will be a fee, but it''s worth it in my opinion.
 
You will be paying a premium for the colour and clarity you have choosen. I personally wouldn''t pay for something I can''t see.

Consider having a look at perhaps color f,g,h and clarity S1. It will either reduce the cost for you, or allow you to increase the size of your diamond.

Can I ask who the vendor is?

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Date: 1/5/2006 12:54:11 AM
Author: Diamond Inquisitor
mistake who can ISSUE an IS?!?
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Yourself
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... since you ahve the stone at hand.

Have you seen THIS ?


This is one of the very few cut quality checking tools that buyers can use - aside the 'reflector' tools (there are various versions of this - same principle), everything else is for the trade use only.



Btw. If the lab report turn out to be form a non-US branch of EGL and you get to doubt the high grades, it could easily be GIA graded for the money, and chances are given the usual one-grade slack assumed by grading you would do just as well.

For what that matters, the quick search meant to confirm the price bracket turned out one GIA graded E-VS1 for about the same. The stone is a hair smaller than 7mm, and the cut seems great. I didn't have any particular seller in mind - WF does cover a large % of the 'In house' inventory so... it's kind of predictable. Here it is: LINK.
 
Hi ... I realize you may be skeptical about purchasing a diamond sight unseen from an internet vendor - - I was too! My husband and I are both attorneys so we are inherently skeptical about almost everything! But after comparing selection, price and quality and the local B&Ms with the breadth of information available not only on this Forum but also at: www.whiteflash.com and www.goodoldgold.com, we concluded that we were going to get a better quality, more beautiful diamond at a MUCH better price from an online vendor.

We wound-up purchasing our diamond from Good Old Gold (GOG), and so I know they will send you photos of your actual diamond (including side by side photos with other diamonds), before you complete your purchase. They make more information about the diamond (including actual copies of either the GIA or AGS certification) available right on the website, and they are very responsive to email and telephone questions. If you look at GOG''s on-line inventory you will see that they only carry high quality, well-cut diamonds ...

ALSO, you can arrange to have the loose stone you select sent directly from GOG (or any on-line vendor) to an independent appraiser of your choice, and there''s a 30 day return policy if the appraisal doesn''t match-up for any reason (judging from posts on this forum this almost NEVER happens, and in most cases the diamond appraises for much more than the on-line purchase price).

You have a healthy budget and there''s no reason why you should settle for an EGL-certified stone - the wonderful people who post on this forum are very honest, knowledgeable and extremely willing to help - - including assisting with the search for a loose diamond that meets your criteria as evidenced by the posts above. I guess the point I''m trying to make is don''t be afraid of making an on-line purchase - - in the end, you won''t regret it, I promise.

Hope this helps ... good luck!
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Thanks for everyone rescent feedback and advice!

Just as a general FYI, the stone I''m looking at is held at a diamond wholesaler here in Chicago. If the stone matches (or closely matches?!?) the cert., is the price reasonable?!?

Thanks again!
 
Check out all these:

http://www.jamesallen.com/search_results.asp?cid=131&sbmt=1&shape=BR&cut_grade=0&carat_from=1.20&carat_to=1.5&color=D&color=E&color=F&clarity=VVS2&clarity=VS1&clarity=VS2&price_from=100&price_to=9050&x=91&y=18

I searched for Ideal cut round brilliants, D,E.F in color, VS1-VS2 in clarity 1.20 to 1.25 in carat weight. They are all GIA cert and the same if not less in cost that the one your looking at. I purchased an ideal cut diamond from James Allen and I LOVE it. Also I got to see one of his signature diamonds (the first one listed is a signature) and my God...it was breath taking hahahaha. Gorgeous!!! I went for the little bit of size over the total perfection.....and my diamond is still ideal cut and wonderful in every way. Just some more options to check out....
 
There are far better experts on this forum, but I have come to learn that EGL is perhaps a little lax in their grading reports. From what I''ve learned, a GIA or AGS graded diamond is better represented and usually commands a higher price. Obvisously seeing is believing, but for me, while I was offered an EGL graded stone, I chose to spend a little more and have the comfort of knowing my GIA graded diamond was of higher quality and would command a higher trade and/or selling price if I chose to trade or sell at some point in the future.

You should seriously look at some of the stellar stones other''s have provided links to before you buy the stone you are considering.
 
Date: 1/5/2006 12:01:09 AM
Author:Diamond Inquisitor
Hello All.

I''ve spent quite a bit of time reading the many posts in this forum, but I have to admit I am definitely NEW to the diamond world. In fact, I am in the process of purchasing my 1st quality diamond, one to be used as the center stone in an engagement ring. I think I''ve found one that has definite potential, and thought I would ask for some feedback from you guys. I don''t have ALL the specs, but I do have the following info:

Shape = Brilliant Round
Size = 1.29 ct.
Color = E
Clarity = VS1
Cut = ''Tolkowsky'' Ideal
Graining = Nil
Florescence = slight
Certification = EGL

Asking Price = $9,050.00

Any thoughts you guys have would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
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if the lab report say "Tolkowsky" it''s EGL european lab.
 
Date: 1/5/2006 12:24:31 PM
Author: Diamond Inquisitor

If the stone matches (or closely matches?!?) the cert., is the price reasonable?!?
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The shone should match the report exactly... it may be that the grades on the report would not match the same grades issued by different labs (i..e ''E'' from lab X sounds like but is not the same as ''E'' from lab Y). And it would be difficult to check which is what. Since stones graded by stricter labs and + precise cut grading come at about the same price... well, up to you to judge how good the price is
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It doens''t sound like you could get the same grades for far less - but you may get better stuff for the money.

Just IMO. And it doesn''t have t be from the sellers around here - if some examples came from this list, chances are these are not unique in nature.
 
Thanks Ana! Are you saying that differnt labs have different standards for grading (i.e. the standard set a lab X for "E color" is different than the standard used at lab Y for "E color") or is it that some labs are just more lax in their grading?!? All though this stone is EGL cert., is there any hope that it could get the same grading from a different (more prestegious) lab?!?

Lastly, I am taking the stone to an independent appraiser on Monday... do appraisers consider (or use differnt grading standards) when looking at stones of different cert. or do they assign grading without considering the cert.?!?

Thanks so much for your help!
 
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