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I'm looking at purchasing a diamond for my soon to be fiance's engagement ring. After a lot of searching, I've found a diamond that I'm very interested in, but I'm a little worried about not being able to see it in person first.

The specs are:
Size: .90ct
Color: K, Faint Brown
Clairty: SI1
Cut: Very Good
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: Strong Blue
HCA Score: 2.0

Depth: 64.2%
Table: 55%
Crown: 36.0 deg
Pavilion: 40.6 deg

Does anyone have experience with K, Faint Brown colored diamonds with fluorescence?
I've heard that fluourescence can make a faint yellow diamond appear whiter, but would the same stand true for a faint brown diamond?
 
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Do you have photos of the stone and idealscope images? If not, forget it. K faint brown would HAVE to be seen to consider it for an engagement ring (or for any ring). I really recommend J color or higher for an engagement ring unless the person has specifically asked for a brown or yellow tinted stone.
 
HI:

What is it that is "interesting" to you--in other words, what is the big draw for this particular diamond?

Also, please provide dimensions. Is the depth correct at 64.2 for a MRB?

cheers--Sharon
 
I like the diamond because of the ASET and Idealscope, which appear to me to be very good, and the price is amazing for the size and quality of the stone. I'm just worried because it seems like such an amazing deal that the stone may be less attractive than I'm thinking. I've never purchased a diamond before, although I have viewed a few in a B&M store, and I've done a lot of research online.

The diamond is 6.03-6.08 x 3.88 mm
Table: 55%
Depth: 64.2%
Crown Angle 36.0 deg
Pavilion Angle 40.6 deg
 
It's quite deep at 64.2%....The numbers you want to keep it in between is 59% - 62.4% (that may vary by .1 depending on who you ask). The depth of the stone is causing you to sacrifice mm on the top, so it'll look smaller than it should. If you don't mind that though, then go for it.
 
Aside from the depth of the diamond, what do you think about it? I'm worried about the color and fluourescence.

Also, am I right in thinking that the ASET and Idealscope images are very good for this diamond?
 
HI:

I cannot get the link to work.

Given the dimensions, the stone faces like approximately an .80 ctw. It is bottom heavy--hiding weight there, so depth "is" an issue. It will affect performance.

Let us know what budget you are working with and let us help you maximize the outcomes to include the WOW factor without too many sacrifices. (color, cut, etc....)

cheers--Sharon
 
It is a FIC. Picture and Ideal scope checks out. Only thing is you are losing spread in the thick girdle.
 
It's not bad. And the price is great. Although it faces up more like a 0.80 carat stone, just FYI.
 
rwall90|1386094468|3566804 said:
Aside from the depth of the diamond, what do you think about it? I'm worried about the color and fluourescence.

Also, am I right in thinking that the ASET and Idealscope images are very good for this diamond?
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Those images do look great if they line up with the stone. It is a great price, so if you don't mind the size difference (as Laila pointed out it'll face up more like a .80), then sure.
 
With everything else checking out, is the K, Faint brown color not an issue then?
Also, does anyone know how a faint brown diamond tends to look with the strong blue fluorescence?
I e-mailed the representative about the fluorescence and possibly getting a photo of the diamond in natural lighting, but received the following response.
As this diamond is at our overseas division. Any further image would be difficult. However I could get you our experts opinion on the diamond on how the fluorescence affects the stone.
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canuk-gal|1386094840|3566806 said:
HI:

I cannot get the link to work.

Given the dimensions, the stone faces like approximately an .80 ctw. It is bottom heavy--hiding weight there, so depth "is" an issue. It will affect performance.

Let us know what budget you are working with and let us help you maximize the outcomes to include the WOW factor without too many sacrifices. (color, cut, etc....)

cheers--Sharon
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You can try copy and pasting it in to the address bar if you'd like:
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-4245629-0.90-carat-Round-diamond-K-color-SI1-clarity.aspx

My price range is around $3000 for the diamond and ring, so preferably around $2000-$2500 max for the diamond alone.
When you say it will affect performance, do you mean in the sense that the stone appears smaller than it actually is, or do you mean light performance?

JulieN|1386095378|3566809 said:
It is a FIC. Picture and Ideal scope checks out. Only thing is you are losing spread in the thick girdle.
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Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the term. What does FIC mean?
 
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FICs have crown angles >= 36, with a complimentary pavilion angle, usually <=40.6, and typically have skinny stars, like the one you posted. FIC stands for fiery ideal cut
 
The diamond might be in India where they sell a lot of K and lower diamonds
The price might be low because it might be a diamond from Zimbabwe.
A lot of diamonds that are faint green or brown come form Zimbabwe.
I don't know if Zimbabwe diamonds can come to US.

I was initially interested in a diamond that was faint brown with very strong fluorescence.
I found it on the B2C website and then they decided they did not want to sell it to me.

I then found the diamond on the site http://www.kathana.in
but I did not buy it

http://www.kathana.in/diamonds/view_detail/36812522
 
Brown tints reduce prices as does the small diameter.
The cut is excellent but reduced to VG because of the very thick girdle.
it will not look white because of the fluoro because the effect is a little less pronounced in brown stones (blue fluoro is the complimentary color to yellow, and the brown will not entirely go away as much as a K yellow).
If your lady works in an office with regular artificial flood lighting the color will be very apparent.
 
I don't want to be negative but the brilliance of the diamond is in the cut and this stone is way too deep so weather you like the asset or not I would pass on this stone . You get what you pay for and I wouldn't go below J for an ER.
 
There are tons of other stones that will "look better" on paper. Why limit yourself to this stone with just a VG cut
 
Just to show you another option, and within budget, here’s a GIA Triple X stone, 0.80ct J-SI1 from James Allen ($2570) - with an HCA score of 1.7-Excellent, and an AGA Cut Class Tool total score of 1A. If you look at the mm dimensions, this 0.80ct J-SI1 stone will face up at 5.9mm, as compared to the 6mm size of the K-Faint Brown-SI1 stone. And the listed inclusion is a twinning wisp, which I am guessing is either white or clear because the diamond looks eyeclean in the video and photo (but worth asking JA about, if you’re interested in this stone). This well-cut J-stone will face up brighter and larger as compared to the less-well-cut K-stone you're considering.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...-j-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-241410

As you may know, JA offers a discount to Pricescope members of between 1-5% on loose diamonds, depending on the particular diamond. JA also has some very well-priced ring settings.
 
Questions:

1. Are you or the intended wearer diamond experts?

2. Do you or her family know a lot about diamonds and covet white stones?

3. In your family and social circle, where have most diamonds been purchsed? A mall jeweler? Tiffany?

4. Do you or the intended wearer or your social circle know anything at all about lab reports and diamond color?

If the answer is "no" "no" "mall stores" and "no", then I think you will probably have no issues with the color.

Is it returnable?
 
I 100% agree with Garry, just because a stone has strong Fluorescence does NOT mean that it will make it face up or appear whiter. This stone will have a very noticeable pale brownish yellowy tint or hue to it. The fact they are saying it is faint brown means you can see it is faint brown. If you want a very light cognac coloured diamond than it will be fine but do not make the mistake of assuming that it is going to magically appear whiter and the strong fluoro will negate the colour - it won't!!!! You should also ask them if the strong fluorescence is making the stone dull or less brilliant at all.
 
Can you ask the jeweler to eyeball it for you? This stone might very well looks slightly pinkish due to the faint brown and its depth. For stones like this, you really can't buy sight unseen or not have the jeweler to eyeball it as it can go both ways.
 
marymm|1386124050|3567066 said:
Just to show you another option, and within budget, here’s a GIA Triple X stone, 0.80ct J-SI1 from James Allen ($2570) - with an HCA score of 1.7-Excellent, and an AGA Cut Class Tool total score of 1A. If you look at the mm dimensions, this 0.80ct J-SI1 stone will face up at 5.9mm, as compared to the 6mm size of the K-Faint Brown-SI1 stone. And the listed inclusion is a twinning wisp, which I am guessing is either white or clear because the diamond looks eyeclean in the video and photo (but worth asking JA about, if you’re interested in this stone). This well-cut J-stone will face up brighter and larger as compared to the less-well-cut K-stone you're considering.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...-j-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-241410

As you may know, JA offers a discount to Pricescope members of between 1-5% on loose diamonds, depending on the particular diamond. JA also has some very well-priced ring settings.
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That is a very nice stone, but it's bordering on the maximum I'd like to spend. I was hoping to go with a platinum setting, but wouldn't be able to afford any of the JA platinum rings and stay in my budget.

Dreamer_D|1386130913|3567159 said:
Questions:
1. Are you or the intended wearer diamond experts?
2. Do you or her family know a lot about diamonds and covet white stones?
3. In your family and social circle, where have most diamonds been purchsed? A mall jeweler? Tiffany?
4. Do you or the intended wearer or your social circle know anything at all about lab reports and diamond color?

If the answer is "no" "no" "mall stores" and "no", then I think you will probably have no issues with the color.

Is it returnable?
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1. No
2. Not that I know of, but I've never talked about diamonds with her or her family.
3. I don't know. I'd assume locally.
4. I do, but as far as I know she does not.

Yes, it is returnable.


I've found a few more diamonds that I'm considering as well if the color is going to be an issue.


I really like the idea of the diamond with Strong fluorescence, but it's $190 more, so I don't know if it would be worth the price difference.

There is also a problem with the B2C stones, because there are no photos. Are the GIA, HCA, and AGA cut ranks good enough indicators that I can trust that the diamond will be excellent sight unseen, or is there still always the chance that I could get a not so good diamond even with all of these being ideal?
 
HI:

Have you called a vendor, given them your parameters and let them help you? When I was looking for earrings for my sister, I searched through a few databases...found some contenders and called ID Jewellery. A couple of my choices were not perfect matches or available, but ID was helpful in putting it together for me....with other choices and discussing accessibility of the stones.

Most importantly, they really helped to work within my BIL's budget. I got AGS stones--J color and they are gorgeous. Whiteflash and other vendors could help you do the same, as WF has in-house stones as well as access to virtual selections. Whoever you call, let them know you've been searching a bit, and have an idea of what you'd like. Let them also know you are from PS--as many advertise wire transfer and PS discounts.

E.g.:

http://www.whiteflash.com/

https://www.pricescope.com/dealer/id_jewelry

cheers--Sharon
 
On B2C you can limit your search to stones that have a picture, or stones that have picture+ASET

JA will give you 3 Ideal Scopes.
 
The brown tones can be quite surprising, actually. They are often a very good deal because of the misinformation and assumptions. All diamonds have some degree of color present. The level of color is reflected in the color grade. Some are considered colorless because the color is so slight as to be undetectable to the naked eye. The color most commonly present is yellow. Yellow is more easily detected by the naked eye than brown so two diamonds of the same color grade but one having a yellow tone and one having a brown tone can appear to be very different. I actually do have a diamond that has the brown label but I do not see brown at all. I find it shows significantly less body color than the more common diamonds found in the same color grade. My diamond is an L. It does have blue fluorescence, which I love. No one sees a brown diamond when looking at my diamond. Just the slightest warmth in some lighting conditions, but not yellow.

Definitely a situation where you just won't know unless you see the diamond in various conditions. Good luck!
 
I I know this is an old topic. But I recently searched for any info on the same kind of diamonds and this thread was useful for me. So I hope to help any new comer with my experience. I bit the bullet and ordered this diamond (it’s returnable), 3.4cts,k faint brown with strong blue fluorescence. I just received it. It is such a great buy. The diamond looks very white! I compared it with my I color diamond (face up) and can’t see any difference. A lot of people said that blue fluo doesn’t help with the faint brown diamonds. I totally disagree. I see it with my own eyes now that in some lighting (with filtered day light) this k diamond looks whiter than the I color I have. It must be the blue fluo effectively hiding the faint brown body color of this k diamond. Both are gia graded by the way. This one is a keeper! I got it at a great discount also. Win win. Let me know if anyone wants to see pictures. Oh, it is definitely not hazy or cloudy (it can be a concern (or a myth) with strong fluo diamonds)
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rwall90 said:
I'm looking at purchasing a diamond for my soon to be fiance's engagement ring. After a lot of searching, I've found a diamond that I'm very interested in, but I'm a little worried about not being able to see it in person first.

The specs are:
Size: .90ct
Color: K, Faint Brown
Clairty: SI1
Cut: Very Good
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: Strong Blue
HCA Score: 2.0

Depth: 64.2%
Table: 55%
Crown: 36.0 deg
Pavilion: 40.6 deg

Does anyone have experience with K, Faint Brown colored diamonds with fluorescence?
I've heard that fluourescence can make a faint yellow diamond appear whiter, but would the same stand true for a faint brown diamond?
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OP, I am not of the mindset do not go below a J for an ER. My ER is K with SBF and no regrets on color at all. With that said tho, if your intended would like as close to a carat as you can afford then I would pass on this stone as it would definitely look smaller than .90.
With some help you will find an amazing stone within your budget. Unless you want to go for it, but make sure you can return if not happy with color. GL!
 
Himalayas said:
I I know this is an old topic. But I recently searched for any info on the same kind of diamonds and this thread was useful for me. So I hope to help any new comer with my experience. I bit the bullet and ordered this diamond (it’s returnable), 3.4cts,k faint brown with strong blue fluorescence. I just received it. It is such a great buy. The diamond looks very white! I compared it with my I color diamond (face up) and can’t see any difference. A lot of people said that blue fluo doesn’t help with the faint brown diamonds. I totally disagree. I see it with my own eyes now that in some lighting (with filtered day light) this k diamond looks whiter than the I color I have. It must be the blue fluo effectively hiding the faint brown body color of this k diamond. Both are gia graded by the way. This one is a keeper! I got it at a great discount also. Win win. Let me know if anyone wants to see pictures. Oh, it is definitely not hazy or cloudy (it can be a concern (or a myth) with strong fluo diamonds)
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Of course we want to see pictures but please start a new thread so people dont try to advice someone who bought a ring back in 2013!:D
 
Yes, please @Himalayas we want pictures!!! Glad you got a diamond you love at a great price.
 
HDer said:
Yes, please @Himalayas we want pictures!!! Glad you got a diamond you love at a great price.
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I am having it set. I was told it will be finished tomorrow. I will post pictures after I get it. I might make a new post.
 
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