Jeffrey Epstein

[whitewave]

I just saw a supposed pic of them wheeling him into the hospital this morning, clearly dead.

Supposedly he was taken off suicide watch recently.

 

[Rfisher]

Where Ghislaine Maxwell is and what happens with her will be interesting. And telling.

 

[Arcadian]

Where Ghislaine Maxwell is and what happens with her will be interesting. And telling.

Girl she next.

 

[Matthews1127]

Reports state he was on Suicide watch at the time he was found. Reports state he was rushed to the hospital in cardiac arrest....and was pronounced dead. Strangulation by hanging seems an unlikely cause of death.
There were more than fellow inmates in that prison who wanted him dead. It’s no secret CO’s turn their backs to things all the time. I wouldn’t be surprised if the CO/Suicide Watch Officer slipped him something to assist his suicide.
I’m certain the Feds have plenty of evidence taken from his residential locations, and office spaces to build a case against any other pedophiles with whom he had contact & co-conspired.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/10/jeffrey-epstein-trump-clinton-friends

No doubt, this suicide was a clear admission of guilt. He just saved the tax payers a ton of money.
On to the next sexually depraved, scum-ball.
#EndSexTrade
#StopSexTrafficking

 

[OreoRosies86]

Ugh what a shady f****d up situation. Now he will never be held accountable. I’ve heard one too many stories about prison guards to think something untoward didn’t happen.

 

[redwood66]

Reports state he was on Suicide watch at the time he was found. Reports state he was rushed to the hospital in cardiac arrest....and was pronounced dead. Strangulation by hanging seems an unlikely cause of death.
There were more than fellow inmates in that prison who wanted him dead. It’s no secret CO’s turn their backs to things all the time. I wouldn’t be surprised if the CO/Suicide Watch Officer slipped him something to assist his suicide.
I’m certain the Feds have plenty of evidence taken from his residential locations, and office spaces to build a case against any other pedophiles with whom he had contact & co-conspired.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/10/jeffrey-epstein-trump-clinton-friends

No doubt, this suicide was a clear admission of guilt. He just saved the tax payers a ton of money.
On to the next sexually depraved, scum-ball.
#EndSexTrade
#StopSexTrafficking

Pardon me if I stick up for people in one of the most depressing jobs. Are there bad officers, sure just like any other profession. For the most part they do their job and go home because to do anything hinky is to create a shittier work environment for everyone, including themselves. If anything untoward happened it will be found out.

 

[JPie]

Girl she next.

 

[Matata]

William Barr: "I was appalled to learn that Jeffrey Epstein was found dead early this morning from an apparent suicide while in federal custody. Mr. Epstein's death raises serious questions that must be answered," Barr said in a statement. "In addition to the FBI's investigation, I have consulted with the Inspector General who is opening an investigation into the circumstances of Mr. Epstein's death."

Deflection. Raise a stink over the manner and method of his death and keep the focus off all the powerful people involved in this, one of whom, is Barr's commander in chief

 

[Matthews1127]

Pardon me if I stick up for people in one of the most depressing jobs. Are there bad officers, sure just like any other profession. For the most part they do their job and go home because to do anything hinky is to create a shittier work environment for everyone, including themselves. If anything untoward happened it will be found out.

Absolutely. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened. Clearly, speculation.
It’s also possible this was all natural causes; people have heart attacks, every day....

 

[Octo2005]

Barr came out calling for an investigation. I am not really into conspiracies, but I would not be at all surprised if there was foul play. Who knows how many rich and powerful people are caught up in this and worried that he may have turned into a cooperative witness in-order to save himself.

Not that I think we will ever really know the whole story

 

[redwood66]

Absolutely. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened. Clearly, speculation.
It’s also possible this was all natural causes; people have heart attacks, every day....

Well if I lived the high life Epstein did and was facing the rest of my life in prison, I might off myself or have a heart attack too. Money saved for sure but I am still angry about those that will not face any music for their participation.

 

[Matthews1127]

Well if I lived the high life Epstein did and was facing the rest of my life in prison, I might off myself or have a heart attack too. Money saved for sure but I am still angry about those that will not face any music for their participation.

We shall see what comes out in coming months....

 

[Octo2005]

Well if I lived the high life Epstein did and was facing the rest of my life in prison, I might off myself or have a heart attack too. Money saved for sure but I am still angry about those that will not face any music for their participation.

Hopefully, they will find more evidence from things that have already been collected. Also, while the criminal case died with him, I suspect that civil cases will be going on for a long time. I hope that compensation from his estate can help bring his victims some peace.

 

[Arcadian]

So Imma be straight. This here that happened? Not normal. Not regular. Shit was about to really go down which is why he got offed. I will never believe this was just a suicide. Not enough money in the world for me to believe that. They almost got him the first time and he lived. They made no mistakes this time. His ex girl? she better watch herself.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but this here being suicide ......

 

[telephone89]

SERIOUSLY we're deleting posts now? I didn't think calling a child rapist a POS was against TOS????

 

[Arkteia]

I came from the country of Stalin’s “show trials”, when people believed multiple accusations en masse, so to me fairness, and law, are very important.

Regardless of Epstein’s personality,

Accused child trafficker does not yet equal condemned child trafficker. So I don’t feel good when people rejoice that a child rapist died. No court, no sentence - not a child rapist yet.

As far as I remember, Epstein was assaulted in prison. This makes suicide questionable, but either way, it is a huge shame that the level of security in the prison allowed a prisoner to kill himself, or be killed.

Epstein surely knew a lot, but in the absence of any proof, I am not going to speculate on what and why has happened. It simply doesn’t look good.

I hope the investigation is fair, and serious.

 

[MollyMalone]

Fair notice: this Twitter thread from Ken White (former Ass't US Attorney)
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1160258660871749632.html
and the next two address suicide, largely in the context of jai/prison incarceration and in-patient hospitalization
https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1160216846861139969
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1160297568837832704.html

* * * Reports state he was rushed to the hospital in cardiac arrest....and was pronounced dead. Strangulation by hanging seems an unlikely cause of death.

Not sure if the thought is that cardiac arrest is not related to hanging, but it's not uncommon for self-attempted hanging to lead to cardiac arrest; the low percentage who survive that kind of cardiac arrest typically are left with severe neurological damage. E.g.,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28551089
https://www.ajemjournal.com/article/S0735-6757(11)00116-1/pdf
Here are the Cerebral Performance Categories referenced in the medical literature:

 

[redwood66]

Fair notice: this Twitter thread from Ken White (former Ass't US Attorney)
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1160258660871749632.html
and the next two address suicide, largely in the context of jai/prison incarceration and in-patient hospitalization
https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1160216846861139969
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1160297568837832704.html

Not sure if the thought is that cardiac arrest is not related to hanging, but it's not uncommon for self-attempted hanging to lead to cardiac arrest; the low percentage who survive that kind of cardiac arrest typically are left with severe neurological damage. E.g.,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28551089
https://www.ajemjournal.com/article/S0735-6757(11)00116-1/pdf
Here are the Cerebral Performance Categories referenced in the medical literature:

Thank you @MollyMalone. I had to LOL at the Ken White rant. I have seen my fair share of suicides and attempts in prison. The determined will find a way.

 

[Arkteia]

Fair notice: this Twitter thread from Ken White (former Ass't US Attorney)
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1160258660871749632.html
and the next two address suicide, largely in the context of jai/prison incarceration and in-patient hospitalization
https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1160216846861139969
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1160297568837832704.html

Not sure if the thought is that cardiac arrest is not related to hanging, but it's not uncommon for self-attempted hanging to lead to cardiac arrest; the low percentage who survive that kind of cardiac arrest typically are left with severe neurological damage. E.g.,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28551089
https://www.ajemjournal.com/article/S0735-6757(11)00116-1/pdf
Here are the Cerebral Performance Categories referenced in the medical literature:

Well, here is a problem.

A suicidologist offers his expert opinion re: how difficult it is to prevent suicide.

I could not agree more. Truth is, there are predictors, but no one can predict human behavior.

However, what we don’t know is whether it was a suicide or not.

If it was - my heart aches for all the multiple inmates who killed themselves in jail and did not get the attention Epstein now has. I remember Sandra Bland, no one got punished for her unlawful incarceration. But there were many others.

If it was not...well, all I can say is that Epstein was an inconvenient witness.

Waiting for the results of the autopsy.

 

[MollyMalone]

Well, here is a problem.
A suicidologist offers his expert opinion re: how difficult it is to prevent suicide.
I could not agree more. Truth is, there are predictors, but no one can predict human behavior.

However, what we don’t know is whether it was a suicide or not.

If it was - my heart aches for all the multiple inmates who killed themselves in jail and did not get the attention Epstein now has. I remember Sandra Bland, no one got punished for her unlawful incarceration. But there were many others.
If it was not...well, all I can say is that Epstein was an inconvenient witness.

Waiting for the results of the autopsy.

I wholeheartedly agree that we don't know if his death was due to a suicide attempt. But none of authors of those 3 threads came across to me as rendering that opinion. Rather, they are pushing back against the conjecture, and even belief, seen today that Epstein's death resulted from foul play, couldn't possibly be the result of a suicidal act.

In the nearly 25 years I was an Ass't DA in NYC, I was always very impressed by the City's Medical Examiner's Office. Although I'm no longer an ADA, I'm still involved with criminal justice & haven't heard anything that would lead me to think the ME's Office no longer is attracting and retaining excellent pathologists, has lost its good reputation for the way it carries out its post-mortem responsibilities, does not now "call it as they see it." E.g.,
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/nyregion/eric-garner-death-daniel-pantaleo-chokehold.html
Still, no matter what the conclusion, I anticipate it will not put an end to widespread broadcast of speculation and contrary theories. Especially since New York, unlike a fair number of other states, prohibits the release of autopsy reports to the public.

 

[Calliecake]

I wonder if we will ever know the truth regarding Epstein’s death.

 

[AV_]

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Loyalty to friends!
(attempted humour)


There was so much Epstein in my Twitter news this morning, I blocked the name ,(

 

[Arkteia]

I wonder if we will ever know the truth regarding Epstein’s death.

I haven’t read anything special today so far.

So, it could be a suicide... because darned if you do, darned if you don’t.

We know “the prison justice” system and how it treats rapists (I am against it, but it seems to be the same in every country). So the prosecution holds a huge argument for Epstein to corroborate, what prison he goes after the hearing and the conviction.

But Epstein, being the rich and the famous, had too many guests entertained at his estate. All of it would have been like a huge carrot torn out of the earth, with one root pulling out the other. Whether people were guilty of participating or not.

So Epstein, being a smart guy, saw the predicament too clearly.

To me, the whole situation reminds Berlusconi scandal. Only the times have changed.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08/23/berlusconi.sex.scandal.explained/index.html

 

[Arkteia]

I wholeheartedly agree that we don't know if his death was due to a suicide attempt. But none of authors of those 3 threads came across to me as rendering that opinion. Rather, they are pushing back against the conjecture, and even belief, seen today that Epstein's death resulted from foul play, couldn't possibly be the result of a suicidal act.

In the nearly 25 years I was an Ass't DA in NYC, I was always very impressed by the City's Medical Examiner's Office. Although I'm no longer an ADA, I'm still involved with criminal justice & haven't heard anything that would lead me to think the ME's Office no longer is attracting and retaining excellent pathologists, has lost its good reputation for the way it carries out its post-mortem responsibilities, does not now "call it as they see it." E.g.,
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/nyregion/eric-garner-death-daniel-pantaleo-chokehold.html
Still, no matter what the conclusion, I anticipate it will not put an end to widespread broadcast of speculation and contrary theories. Especially since New York, unlike a fair number of other states, prohibits the release of autopsy reports to the public.

Well, surely, NYC is the epitome of liberty and fairness in this country. Whenever there is some humane reform happening, I can bet it starts in one of four states, NY, MA, WA, or CA. (Sometimes one or another state of NE would chip in, but our biggest hope are these four).

So I do believe in the work of the NY pathologists.

And yes, I did follow Eric Garner’s case. Idiotic policeman not knowing how to restrain, especially a big man with a short neck, causing asphyxia. This is one part. The other one - Eric was being arrested for nothing. For undermining the monopoly of the tobacco industry by selling a couple of homemade cigarillos. Just to feed a family. “Garner had been arrested by the NYPD more than thirty times since 1980 on charges such as assault, resisting arrest, and grand larceny.[10][11]According to an article in The New York Timesmany of these arrests had been for allegedly selling unlicensed cigarettes.[12] In 2007, he filed a handwritten complaint[13] in federal court accusing a police officer of conducting a cavity search of him on the street, "digging his fingers in my rectum in the middle of the street" while people passed by”. RIP, Eric.

 

[OreoRosies86]

https://newrepublic.com/article/154729/completely-predictable-death-jeffrey-epstein

Good piece touching on incompetent prison guards. I’m genuinely confused as to what qualifications one even needs to be a prison guard.

 

[azstonie]

https://newrepublic.com/article/154729/completely-predictable-death-jeffrey-epstein

Good piece touching on incompetent prison guards. I’m genuinely confused as to what qualifications one even needs to be a prison guard.

OR86, I recall that many psychiatrists feel that the only difference btw the prisoners and the guards are the uniforms. So one qua!ification would be the willingness to administer cruel and inhuman treatment of your fellow man and a predilection for dominance and control.

I'm my experience, the black sheep family member in my own family chose employment as a guard at San Quentin and he confirmed the "different uni's" position. He further said that any guard who made prison guard their long-term career was most definitely an example of that and that inmates and criminals were the only faction of society the long-term guards understood and felt comfortable around.

My cousin left that job before it could destroy him (2 years) and returned to college to complete his degree and live AND work outside the prison environment and mentality.

 

[partgypsy]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist (I'm more the opposite, the simpler more boring explanation is more likely true) but when I heard he committed suicide, I am like, no way. Unlike many other accused people, he had information on high up people he could have used, to plea out. People with that kind of option, especially as one so egotistical as him, don't just off themselves.

Other irregularities. Before the suicide watch he was actually placed with another prisoner, a former policeman with multiple murder charges. For such a high profile case, that is highly unusual, to basically place him in harms way by placing him with a violent criminal. That is when the first "suicide attempt" happened. From what I understand, people who know more than I are questioning why he was taken off suicide watch and placed in a more secluded cell. Hopefully all these irregularites will be explained. I don't care if he ended up dying in prison. But I wanted him to testify first. Now he never will.
In case people don't remember, the accusation from the woman who stated Trump raped her when she was 13, she knew Trump through Epstein. Epstein provided the girl, and it was on his property the events supposedly happened. Because of this, Epstein was in the position of being able to corroborate this information under oath. This woman never testified due to death threats against her and her family. There were plenty of people who had motive to make sure Epstein did not testify. Even Bill Clinton. But from my view only one person who had both the motive means and opportunity, given that he was in Federal prison.

Info on his previous cell mate: Tartaglione, 49, is a former police officer in Briarcliff Manor, New York, who was arrested in December 2016 and accused of killing four men in an alleged cocaine distribution conspiracy, then burying their bodies in his yard in Otisville. Odd choice for a cell mate, personally.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-accuser-lawsuits-230647

 

[Arkteia]

OR86, I recall that many psychiatrists feel that the only difference btw the prisoners and the guards are the uniforms. So one qua!ification would be the willingness to administer cruel and inhuman treatment of your fellow man and a predilection for dominance and control.

I'm my experience, the black sheep family member in my own family chose employment as a guard at San Quentin and he confirmed the "different uni's" position. He further said that any guard who made prison guard their long-term career was most definitely an example of that and that inmates and criminals were the only faction of society the long-term guards understood and felt comfortable around.

My cousin left that job before it could destroy him (2 years) and returned to college to complete his degree and live AND work outside the prison environment and mentality.

Italicized by me. The very famous Russian-US writer, Sergey Dovlatov, served as the prison guard in the army time. After the first few days, he says, he understood that "along both sides of the dividing prison bars, the world was exactly the same".

I think many people would take the prison guards job because, a) it is a job, and, b) the benefits.

Like many federal employees, they stay at the job for the pension and the benefits, but it gets harder and harder on them. To add to it, prison guards are at the risk of being attacked by the ex-cons who might harbor some ill feelings towards them. I think the level of burnout among prison guards is very high.

In Epstein's case, from what I have read, working overtime might have been the factor.

 

[OreoRosies86]

Back when I worked in the service industry I worked with many prison guards who would bartend to make extra money (by all accounts their pay sucked). Of them all ONE was somewhat normal, like you could have a conversation with him but he wasn’t very bright. He liked to make rape jokes and was an unapologetic racist.

 

[partgypsy]

How interesting the cell mate tartaglione in addition to being a cop, was part of the Mob. Hmm, who else do we know who has connections with the mob...https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910