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Is this Ideal Scope image as bad as I think it is?

2Neesers

2Neesers

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Hello,
I just received the below Ideal Scope image for this diamond that was discussed in my previous thread:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3553406

Based on the numbers and HCA score, it seemed like it would be a great performer at a very good price for this size and color, but I am very concerned about the Ideal Scope image. In the past when I have requested an Ideal Scope image, the image that was sent to me was pretty much solid red. This one however, has a lot of light red/pink around the arrows in the center. Is this as bad as I think it is? I am wondering if I should cancel the transaction and keep looking for something better.

Any input or thoughts on this image would be appreciated :).
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It's definitely showing some leakage until the table but I wouldn't say it's that bad.
 
2Neezers said:
Is this as bad as I think it is? I am wondering if I should cancel the transaction and keep looking for something better.
Any input or thoughts on this image would be appreciated :).
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It is not as bad as you think and how it appears at a first glace.
The IS is not perfect. There are some painting and digging going on as well. If you see the ASET, I expect to see some greens around the edges.
Having that said, the stone is good enough for me, while others may disagree. I am a bit lenient. It comes down to the price.
It may not be eye clean, but it is good for a SI2.
tough one.. I would not cancel the transaction. If you ask me to find a near eye clean well performing 1.02 H SI2 well under 5.0k (in this case 4.6k), I can't.
You need to see this stone in person.
 
Thanks for the input everyone!
I really appreciate your advice flyingpig. I am a bit lenient like you, but I always hope to get the best I can get for the price when it comes to diamonds. It sounds like this one fits that bill. I did a little research after my initial post and found that the partial light leakage under the table shouldn't be an issue, and also read that some people prefer that little bit of added contrast it can provide. I don't know anything about painting and digging, so will look in to that.
Thanks for confirming that it is a good deal. The James Allen Advantage discount brought the price down another $200 (yay!). I am going to proceed with the transaction and hope I will be pleased with the stone when I see it in person.
Thanks again!
 
If this is for an engagement ring, I’d really recommend looking at I color and going up in clarity to at least SI1. Get nice cut without totally sacrificing clarity.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
If this is for an engagement ring, I’d really recommend looking at I color and going up in clarity to at least SI1. Get nice cut without totally sacrificing clarity.
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Hi diamondseeker2006,
I have a three stone with H, VS stones that I currently wear as my e-ring. I had a solitaire previously and miss having one, so I would be purchasing this stone to set as a solitaire and rotate wearing with my three stone as an e-ring.
I am curious though, did you see any inclusions in the video that you thought you would be able to see when the stone is non-magnified and in person? Since this isn't my main e-ring, it doesn't need to be mind clean, but I am hoping it will be eye clean :).
 
I think this SI2 has a very reasonable chance of being eye clean. Each SI2 has to be assessed on a case by case basis, and eye clean ones are rare. To pass on all SI2s as a matter of principle will be missing out on a great carat/$ out there.
I am of the same view as flyingpig and that this price, I'd definitely give it a go, the IS is far above average of the stones you get in a typical B&M.

More importantly what did the gemologist say about the eye clean status (give them a formal definition, such as from 6-8 inches from the top, from the side)?
 
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@flyingpig what on the IS shows painting and/or digging?
 
Well, I agree that it very well may be eyeclean, but it has a pretty significant feather (crack) and the crystal. But since you are choosing it yourself, you certainly may like the stone and not be bothered by the inclusions. I just thought if someone was buying it for an engagement ring for someone else, there might be more balance in specs going to I SI1. If you ever want to sell it to get something else, the SI2 would probably be harder to sell. But it sounds like it fits what you’re looking for, so that’s really all that matters!
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Well, I agree that it very well may be eyeclean, but it has a pretty significant feather (crack) and the crystal. But since you are choosing it yourself, you certainly may like the stone and not be bothered by the inclusions. I just thought if someone was buying it for an engagement ring for someone else, there might be more balance in specs going to I SI1. If you ever want to sell it to get something else, the SI2 would probably be harder to sell. But it sounds like it fits what you’re looking for, so that’s really all that matters!
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Thanks for the reply! I see the feather and crystal inclusion combo you mentioned now on the plotted diagram. I hope I can’t see it in person... I would prefer higher clarity, but like H or higher color and wanted something as big as possible under my budget and was surprised to find one with the numbers I like over 1 ct. Hopefully this one will do the trick.
 
2Neezers said:
JameAllen Advantage discount brought the price down another $200 (yay!). I am going to proceed with the transaction and hope I will be pleased with the stone when I see it in person.
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I agree with you. At 4.4k, now, it is a very good deal.
 
I’m going to have to disagree on some points, here, as I am of the same mind as @diamondseeker2006.
The feather & other inclusions may not present integrity issues in some stones, but you must consider the position of the inclusions, and the fact that you have a rather obvious (although, clear) inclusion against the table. To me* that’s neither mind clean nor eye clean...even with the naked eye.
I have a 1.07ct G SI2 EC. It’s freaking beautiful, and you can’t see the inclusions...not unless you are less than 6 inches away from it, and you look...HARD. Even under magnification, it’s clean for SI2...esp. since it’s a step cut diamond. My stone was UNDER $4,000. It’s heavier, has a higher color grade, and has the same clarity grade, and it was at least $500 LESS than the stone you are considering.
I’m just not convinced you’re getting the deal you think you are for the quality.
I truly believe you can find something better, and comparable to your H’s in an I with better clarity, if only to ensure preservation of integrity of the diamond, and for the quality. If you’re going to pay over $4,000 for a diamond, make it worth it. H & I color are nearly identical. I just can’t justify not considering the options for a higher quality stone, even if it’s not your main ER.
 
flyingpig said:
It is not as bad as you think and how it appears at a first glace.
The IS is not perfect. There are some painting and digging going on as well. If you see the ASET, I expect to see some greens around the edges.
Having that said, the stone is good enough for me, while others may disagree. I am a bit lenient. It comes down to the price.
It may not be eye clean, but it is good for a SI2.
tough one.. I would not cancel the transaction. If you ask me to find a near eye clean well performing 1.02 H SI2 well under 5.0k (in this case 4.6k), I can't.
You need to see this stone in person.
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Even with the circles on the image.. what is painting and digging please?
 
Thanks so much for the input everyone! I do appreciate it and am taking it all in to consideration.
I am still concerned about the Ideal Scope image for this stone. I was able to find the Ideal Scope image they had sent me when I purchased the H, VS2 that’s the center stone in my three stone ring, and it looks so different from the one they sent me for this stone.
If anyone could tell me why they are so drastically different, and what the difference in visual impact would be in real life, I would really appreciate it.
Here is the Ideal Scope for the stone I already own in my three stone:
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And the stone I am considering purchasing:
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Thanks in advance!
 
Backlight intensity.
See how leakage is whiter and brighter in the most recent JA IS image. Light leakage is a bit exaggerated. Acutally, I do not consider those pink spots leakage.
 
This is a lovely stone. Chill. I invented and sell Ideal-scope.
when a pale area in a normal set up = half way between pink and white - the actual leakage is 25% not 50% in that region.
the stone is not dug or painted
 
One way to judge the back lighting is look at the center.
Every RB is going to have a very small percentage of leakage in the center.
This is a virtual model of stellar proportions with everything perfect, back lighting with no front lighting.
I generally consider everything the same tone as the lighter areas in the center to not be bad leakage.
The first image above has a weaker back light and a red bump in a photo editor.
The second has a stronger back light and no editing.
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Thanks flyingpig, Garry H and Karl K for helping me understand the why the Ideal Scope images look so different! That was very helpful information.
Garry H, I’m also glad to hear you say it’s a lovely stone and that there is no painting or digging. I was torn whether to cancel the order or not, and am now very much looking forward to receiving this stone!
 
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