Is this emerald cut too shallow?

[Cravin My Emerald cut]

2 carat emerald 9.45 x 6.13 x 3.69 mm 67% table 60.2% depth
http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=btntext_viewselect&elem=img&pid=LD01195120&filter_id=0

2 carat emerald 8.96 x 6.06 x 4.01 mm 66% table 66.2% depth
http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=btntext_viewselect&elem=img&pid=LD01202189&filter_id=0

I''m not looking to purchase either of these....just looking to get comments on the numbers.

How would you expect the first diamond which has a smaller depth than table % to perform vs the second which has approx equal table and depth %?
Take it a step further and vs a diamond with a depth % greater than the table %?

I know with emerald cuts you really have to look at the stone first; I''m set on having my actual diamond be a surprise though so I''m trying to "guide" my boyfriend along the correct path.

There''s just soooooo much info out there.

 

[Lorelei]

Perhaps if you could find some with photos, both magnified and not, also with ASET images which are most important, and Idealscope for completeness, you could find some better help. It is hard to judge an EC buy the depth and table, also the EC peeps like crown heights also, with these diamonds posted there doesn''t seem to be enough info. As far as I know, BN doesn''t supply any of the above info at this time, and it is crucial to be able to choose a good EC.

 

[diagem]

Date: 1/14/2008 8:05:02 AM
Author:Cravin My Emerald cut
2 carat emerald 9.45 x 6.13 x 3.69 mm 67% table 60.2% depth
http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=btntext_viewselect&elem=img&pid=LD01195120&filter_id=0

2 carat emerald 8.96 x 6.06 x 4.01 mm 66% table 66.2% depth
http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=btntext_viewselect&elem=img&pid=LD01202189&filter_id=0

I''m not looking to purchase either of these....just looking to get comments on the numbers.

How would you expect the first diamond which has a smaller depth than table % to perform vs the second which has approx equal table and depth %?
Take it a step further and vs a diamond with a depth % greater than the table %?

I know with emerald cuts you really have to look at the stone first; I''m set on having my actual diamond be a surprise though so I''m trying to ''guide'' my boyfriend along the correct path.

There''s just soooooo much info out there.

All three options can be amazing and the opposite!

If cut correctly..., a shallow EC can be a super stone.

One thing is a consensus here on PS (at least)..., most prefer smaller tables vs. larger...

 

[strmrdr]

tables are on the upper end of what I like...

It all comes down too crown height, table% and and pavilion angles.
60.2 really any other depth with a 10%+ crown height, acceptable table% and well matched pavilion angles that displays nice looking patterns and isnt dead in the center == kicken
60.2 or really any other depth with a 6% crown height then well skip it.

 

[diagem]

Date: 1/14/2008 8:42:45 AM
Author: strmrdr
tables are on the upper end of what I like...

One thing I would add:

It all comes down too crown height, table% and and pavilion angles. ...and corner break and size ratio vs. overall length and width...
60.2 really any other depth with a 10%+ crown height, acceptable table% and well matched pavilion angles that displays nice looking patterns and isnt dead in the center == kicken
60.2 or really any other depth with a 6% crown height then well skip it.

One thing you MUST put an emphasis is: (although its a matter of personal taste) the corners of an EC..., they are just way to important for the over-all look of an Emerald Cut..., almost as important as the CH...

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 1/14/2008 8:56:04 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 1/14/2008 8:42:45 AM
Author: strmrdr
tables are on the upper end of what I like...

One thing I would add:

It all comes down too crown height, table% and and pavilion angles. ...and corner break and size ratio vs. overall length and width...
60.2 really any other depth with a 10%+ crown height, acceptable table% and well matched pavilion angles that displays nice looking patterns and isnt dead in the center == kicken
60.2 or really any other depth with a 6% crown height then well skip it.

One thing you MUST put an emphasis is: (although its a matter of personal taste) the corners of an EC..., they are just way to important for the over-all look of an Emerald Cut..., almost as important as the CH...

that is where the pictures come in and is part of nice looking patterns...
You wont be able too tell that from the numbers unless you have a full helium scan and very few people can take the numbers and picture the diamond.
I couldn't for an EC but could for an SEC.

btw i prefer much wider corners than is common on the commonly available EC and SEC cuts as a personal preference.

 

[diagem]

Date: 1/14/2008 9:00:13 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 1/14/2008 8:56:04 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 1/14/2008 8:42:45 AM
Author: strmrdr
tables are on the upper end of what I like...

One thing I would add:

It all comes down too crown height, table% and and pavilion angles. ...and corner break and size ratio vs. overall length and width...
60.2 really any other depth with a 10%+ crown height, acceptable table% and well matched pavilion angles that displays nice looking patterns and isnt dead in the center == kicken
60.2 or really any other depth with a 6% crown height then well skip it.

One thing you MUST put an emphasis is: (although its a matter of personal taste) the corners of an EC..., they are just way to important for the over-all look of an Emerald Cut..., almost as important as the CH...

that is where the pictures come in and is part of nice looking patterns...
You wont be able too tell that from the numbers unless you have a full helium scan and very few people can take the numbers and picture the diamond.
I couldn''t for an EC but could for an SEC. Whats the difference?

btw i prefer much wider corners than is common on the commonly available EC and SEC cuts as a personal preference.

Strmrdr..., you have been spoiled with beautiful Diamonds here on PS

, the reality is that the great majority of S/EC out on the market have relatively small/narrow corner breaks due to mass-production systems and yield calculations!

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 1/14/2008 9:21:12 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 1/14/2008 9:00:13 AM
Author: strmrdr

that is where the pictures come in and is part of nice looking patterns...
You wont be able too tell that from the numbers unless you have a full helium scan and very few people can take the numbers and picture the diamond.
I couldn't for an EC but could for an SEC. Whats the difference?
I have studied SEC a lot more than EC and can picture them from the numbers where EC I cant.


btw i prefer much wider corners than is common on the commonly available EC and SEC cuts as a personal preference.

Strmrdr..., you have been spoiled with beautiful Diamonds here on PS

, the reality is that the great majority of S/EC out on the market have relatively small/narrow corner breaks due to mass-production systems and yield calculations!

We are saying the same thing, as a personal preference I prefere wider corners than the common S/EC which are small and narrow due to mass-production systems and yield calculations

 

[diagem]

Date: 1/14/2008 9:29:36 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 1/14/2008 9:21:12 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 1/14/2008 9:00:13 AM
Author: strmrdr

that is where the pictures come in and is part of nice looking patterns...
You wont be able too tell that from the numbers unless you have a full helium scan and very few people can take the numbers and picture the diamond.
I couldn''t for an EC but could for an SEC. Whats the difference?
I have studied SEC a lot more than EC and can picture them from the numbers where EC I cant.


btw i prefer much wider corners than is common on the commonly available EC and SEC cuts as a personal preference.

Strmrdr..., you have been spoiled with beautiful Diamonds here on PS

, the reality is that the great majority of S/EC out on the market have relatively small/narrow corner breaks due to mass-production systems and yield calculations!

We are saying the same thing, as a personal preference I prefere wider corners than the common S/EC which are small and narrow due to mass-production systems and yield calculations

Sorry..., miss-read it!

But whats the difference in picturing a SEC vs EC based on the #''s?
How can you envision the corner break size based on the numbers?

 

[chrono]

I have to agree with everyone else on the EC. There is more to the table and depth % to judge an EC. Without any pictures, there''s no way I can judge the crown height which is crucial for fire. Also the tables on both are on the upper range of what I prefer which is anywhere from 65% and under. I don''t like the glassy table glare that comes with larger tables. Also I judge the step pattern and corner breaks of ECs too so without pictures, I have no idea what they look like.

 

[tberube]

Praytell - what''s an SEC?

 

[sunnyd]

Date: 1/14/2008 5:18:12 PM
Author: tberube
Praytell - what''s an SEC?

Square Emerald Cut, I do believe...

 

[tberube]

DUH!

thanks, sunny. Don''t tell anyone that I didn''t get that....