Is this e-ring setting idea *possible*? (Leaving space for w-band)

[michela002]

I wanted to ask (before I got too attached to the idea of it) - is something like this possible? Basically, looking at the "side view", is it possible to leave a space for the wedding band, so that they will sit flush? The two "bars" at the top and bottom, together with the band, will support the setting above the band?

Otherwise I know it is pretty much impossible to have a w-band sit flush with the style of e-ring I''m looking at (I tried two on exactly like this, and nothing sits flush unless you lift the setting up and "perch" it on the e-ring band, plus two strips of metal, to stop it wobbling from side to side.)

Jewellers opinion (or anyone knowledgeable!) - is this style of setting possible? Will the w-band be rubbed too much, sitting surrounded by metal? Is it more possible with one type of metal than another (i.e. platinum vs. white gold.) I know it would require me to choose the exact width of my wedding band before buying the e-ring.

Am I crazy? Can this be done?

Thanks so much to anyone who can help me out. (And if my sketches don''t make my ideas clear, let me know and I''ll try to demonstrate it better.)

 

[Mara]

Hmm interesting thought. Not sure if you''d be able to make this happen..primarily because I''m wondering how you get a ring on and then lift it UP enough to get the w-ring into the groove? It''s not like you can snap it on over the finger or anything, and you probably wouldn''t want it to be loose enough to move up enough to fit another ring in there?

But maybe a jeweler will chime in and say it''s doable and then tell us how.

 

[FireGoddess]

I saw something very similar at my jeweler's store, though the e-ring had a rb in it. There was a 'notch' cut out of the bottom of the gallery for the w-ring to sit flush with the shank of the e-ring. This was done in white gold.

I took the same idea w/ platinum, and am having a notch cut out of the gallery for my w-ring to fit. Wish I could show you pictures (boy do I wish!!!) but we're still in the wax stages with mine. So it seems that both metals are okay for this. This would require you to know the width of your w-ring when you have the e-ring made, but having them custom made this way won't make the rings rub together if they fit well. In this situation it may behoove you to just have both the e-ring and w-ring custom made as a set. What I saw at the jeweler's was a set, and what I'm having made is a set.

Once you have the wedding ring, you slide it into the groove of the e-ring, and put both on together at the same time.

 

[michela002]

Date: 3/4/2005 9:22:31 PM
Author: Mara
I''m wondering how you get a ring on and then lift it UP enough to get the w-ring into the groove?

I kind of already thought of that ...

I figure when I put the w-band and the e-ring on, I''ll hold the w-band flush with the e-ring (already in the groove) and just slide them on together. They''ll stay flush because the w-band will be held in place.

I''d take them off and on as a set. Not too hard to do!

 

[Mara]

That definitely makes sense. My only comment is that from my own experience, I find it rather hard to pull both rings over together at once...mostly taking them off..it seems to be harder and they seem tighter and in the past I have scratched up my finger trying it.

So just be sure that your rings are loose enough to fit as you want them together on the hand AND to get them off without scratching up your finger or knuckle. One ring is one thing but once you have two on the hand, something changes! I had to get my rings upsized because with 2 on the hand, they suddenly became tighter.

Good luck!

 

[michela002]

Date: 3/4/2005 9:25:10 PM
Author: FireGoddess
I saw something very similar at my jeweler''s store, though the e-ring had a rb in it. There was a ''notch'' cut out of the bottom of the gallery for the w-ring to sit flush with the shank of the e-ring. This was done in white gold.

I took the same idea w/ platinum, and am having a notch cut out of the gallery for my w-ring to fit. Wish I could show you pictures (boy do I wish!!!) but we''re still in the wax stages with mine. So it seems that both metals are okay for this. This would require you to know the width of your w-ring when you have the e-ring made, but having them custom made this way won''t make the rings rub together if they fit well. In this situation it may behoove you to just have both the e-ring and w-ring custom made as a set. What I saw at the jeweler''s was a set, and what I''m having made is a set.

Once you have the wedding ring, you slide it into the groove of the e-ring, and put both on together at the same time.

OHHHH REALLY?! You''ve seen this done? So it must be able to be done!!!!! OH THAT MAKES ME SO HAPPY!

hahahahahahahaha. Please post a pic of your ring (or even the wax model!) when it''s done, I''d love to see how it looks.

I figure since I know I want my wedding band to be exactly the same width as the band of the engagement ring, it shouldn''t be too difficult. But getting them both made at the same time is a good idea ...

Do you think it would be a problem if the wedding band had diamonds? I wouldn''t want them to rub against the metal above them ... but I suppose there could be a small gap so as to not rub the diamonds? Or (if I went with something channel set) the diamonds could be just a little lower than the metal on the outside of the "channel"?

Oh, I''m sooooo happy that this is do-able!

 

[strmrdr]

Iv looked into doing this as stated its very doable.
Make sure you get them sized as one large band which will be bigger than 2 narrow bands this will help with the problem mara is talking about.

 

[michela002]

Date: 3/4/2005 9:33

2 PM
Author: Mara
That definitely makes sense. My only comment is that from my own experience, I find it rather hard to pull both rings over together at once...mostly taking them off..it seems to be harder and they seem tighter and in the past I have scratched up my finger trying it.

Oh, good thinking. I tend to prefer my rings not too tight anyway, I tend to wear them fairly loose, so I''ll remember to get them made the "looser" side of fitting well. Thanks Mara, so would not have thought about that.

 

[michela002]

Date: 3/4/2005 9:36:26 PM
Author: strmrdr
Iv looked into doing this as stated its very doable.
Make sure you get them sized as one large band which will be bigger than 2 narrow bands this will help with the problem mara is talking about.

Thanks heaps, will definitely do that. I really do need to suss out my "proper" ring size ... I''ve been told I''m anything between a 5 1/4 and a 6! But I''ll remember to get the size of wide bands rather than narrow.

Thanks so much to all of you, PS-ers are so awesome and helpful! I don''t know what I would have done if I had never found this forum.

 

[FireGoddess]

First, Mara''s point about the size is very true. I am making both rings a half size bigger than I normally wear because they will be tighter as a pair. Definitely keep that in mind.

Second, for sure this is do-able, I''ve seen it, and I''m doing it.

Glad to make your day.

To make you even happier, both the set I saw, and the set I''m making are micro-pave and so both have diamonds on the shanks. The set I tried on did not rub together on top, so I think the diamonds will be fine. If you''re concerned, the channel setting will definitely help that.

My set and the one in the store have both e-ring and w-band the same width as well, but having them made together is a good idea because the notch will have to be a hair larger than the actual band...don''t want the fit so tight that the metal scratches.

 

[strmrdr]

One of the the designs i made drawings for future use actually offset the main band to one side so the line of the 2 bands meeting point is at the center of the main stone for a symmetrical look.

 

[michela002]

Date: 3/4/2005 9:41:59 PM
Author: FireGoddess
First, Mara''s point about the size is very true. I am making both rings a half size bigger than I normally wear because they will be tighter as a pair. Definitely keep that in mind.

Second, for sure this is do-able, I''ve seen it, and I''m doing it.

Glad to make your day.

To make you even happier, both the set I saw, and the set I''m making are micro-pave and so both have diamonds on the shanks. The set I tried on did not rub together on top, so I think the diamonds will be fine. If you''re concerned, the channel setting will definitely help that.

My set and the one in the store have both e-ring and w-band the same width as well, but having them made together is a good idea because the notch will have to be a hair larger than the actual band...don''t want the fit so tight that the metal scratches.

Thank you heaps, you have definitely made my day. Oh, I really want to see your ring! (Lol - I''m sure you do too!!) I was scared someone would tell me "nope, impossible" and I so love the idea of this ring, but I don''t want a gap, and I want to wear a wedding band on the same hand ... don''t know what I would have done then!

And it''s great to hear I can get a diamond wedding band as well. The smiles just keep on comin''!

Will definitely get a slightly bigger size ... probably go with a 6 rather than the 5 1/2 that I was probably going to go with.

If money is an issue (i.e. getting the wedding band at the same time as the ring isn''t feasible) would it still be okay if the same jeweller/company made them both, just a few months/year apart? Might actually tell them hey I''m going to need you to make a w-band for this, keep all sketches, plans, wax models etc ... And give them the e-ring while they make the wedding band. Would be good to get them both made at the same time, but if it''s not something we can afford the wedding band might have to wait.

 

[FireGoddess]

Date: 3/4/2005 9:50

2 PM
Author: Indecisive

If money is an issue (i.e. getting the wedding band at the same time as the ring isn''t feasible) would it still be okay if the same jeweller/company made them both, just a few months/year apart? Might actually tell them hey I''m going to need you to make a w-band for this, keep all sketches, plans, wax models etc ... And give them the e-ring while they make the wedding band.

I think that sounds like a plan. I''m sure most will be willing to do that time delayed thing...you may have to surrender your e-ring back to them while they at least make the wax cast for the w-ring...though it will be very hard to part with it!!!

 

[michela002]

Date: 3/4/2005 9:46:14 PM
Author: strmrdr
One of the the designs i made drawings for future use actually offset the main band to one side so the line of the 2 bands meeting point is at the center of the main stone for a symmetrical look.

Hmmmm ... might have to think about that ... but I do (for some strange reason) actually like the non-symmetry that makes it clear one''s a w-band and one''s an e-ring ...

Plus I''m going to leave a "notch" or "gap" up top in case of an annivesary ring that can sit on TOP ...

 

[michela002]

Date: 3/4/2005 9:54:22 PM
Author: FireGoddess

I think that sounds like a plan. I''m sure most will be willing to do that time delayed thing...you may have to surrender your e-ring back to them while they at least make the wax cast for the w-ring...though it will be very hard to part with it!!!

Yeah I would expect to have to part with my e-ring to get the w-band made ... Now I''m like "yeah sure, I''d rather part with it for a bit than get the w-band wrong", but I''m sure I''ll feel differently about it at the time. Lol! Oh well. I doubt finances will stretch to get the w-band, so that seems like it will have to be the plan!

 

[Addlepated]

If I understand what you''re talking about, I think my set is similar to your idea.

It''s not a notch, but my jeweler was able to flatten the sides of the head so that I could wear the e-ring with the wedding rings.

That way they sit flush together:

You can see here how the head was adjusted:

Is that what you meant?

 

[michela002]

Addlepated - no, not exactly (but I do see and like how your jeweller has made your rings sit flush, it''s very nice!) What I''m planning is more a three-stone ring, with a "hole" cut out for the wedding ring to sit in. The e-ring will sit over the top of the wedding band. Alternatively, if you can''t picture that, image the three-stone ring being lifted, and perched on top of the e-ring band, with metal supporting it at the top and bottom (so it doesn''t wobble whilst perched on the e-ring band), and the gaps between the band and the bits of metal let the wedding band sit in the middle.

 

[valeria101]

How about these

There doesn't seem to be any reason not to angle the prongs for the center (on the emerald ring) to follow the angle of the pavilion closer. And that would make room for a band to sit closer to the ring. The sidestones obviously hoover over the band - no problem there.

The other ring is a smaller stone (about 1 carat) and there seems to be plenty of room under it for a band, since the stone is virtually suspended from the girdle. If the band under the stones is cut straight (unusual option) intead of following the outline of the stones above (for no aparent practical reason)... even more so.

Now... rectangular ECs don't have pointed culets like that asscher diamond - so the "keel" of the stone would not allow the band to sit flush to the rings' band unless it goes over the band (meaning at 2-3mm above the finger). Even then, the whole construction of the ring would look quite unusual to fit the band. All this to avoid a small gap between the two rings

It does sound easier to have a second simple w-band made to fit the ring. Those bent half and half (=arched from the diameter drawn from between the fingers, Elsa peretti style) don't look too weird worn alone. Worth trying, IMO.

 

[michela002]

Oh, they do seem an option, will have to save those! (And that emerald ring a lot like what I''m thinking of!) Where did the pics come from if you don''t mind me asking - might check out the site.

I want my ring, and I want the band to sit flush. Lol. Don''t really care how it happens.

 

[valeria101]

Date: 3/6/2005 12:35:20 AM
Author: Indecisive

Where did the pics come from if you don't mind me asking - might check out the site.

I want my ring, and I want the band to sit flush. Lol. Don't really care how it happens.

The pictures come from EstateDiamondJewelry.com

Well, if you do not mind a high setting, 'guess a simple band can sit next to it without much tweaking. The jeweler making the ring should have a ton of advice

 

[michela002]

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank you!

I figured the setting would have to be high, that shouldn''t be a prob (I hope.)

Gonna go drool over the website now ...