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Is this an Old European or not?

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I am considering this purchase, and it shows up in search engines as Old European but the GIA report lists it as a Round Brilliant. :think: It would certainly matter for insurance reasons so should I call GIA and ask them for clarification? I hesitate to list the entire report for fear of it being snatched up but here is an image of the proportions. It is right under 4 carats and OP color. Say it's an OEC lol!

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or is the table way too big to consider it? I have not seen photos of it yet and I know it's best to judge with your eyes... thoughts?
 
You need to get a photo to see the cut pattern of it. Many transitional stones and occasionally late OECs are labelled as RBs. It has the numbers more typical of an RB or possibly a transitional stone.
 
It is a round brilliant but with very short lower girdles and a small culet, which will give this a very different look to the usual 75% to 80% lower girdles & "no culet" found on modern RBs.
 
Number hints more towards an RB look although probably not the "typical" RBs posted here.
 
I would need to see a photo. I have a diamond that was labeled a round brilliant by GIA but, due to hassles with a local appraisal, is just back from AGS and is now officially an Old European Cut. :rolleyes:
 
No way to tell without pics - GIA frequently calls OEC's RB's, that wouldn't be unusual. But the table is really large for an OEC, though that can happen too. So I'd need to see a pic.

What happened to your awesome marquise?!
 
LOL Erica! You're on to me. My awesome marquise is still awesome, and currently being reset in a bezel halo to see if I can wear it more comfortably on a daily basis without my babies begging me to take it off (I like to wear my bling 24/7). So we are considering an OEC instead. I don't know if I can bare to part with a 17mm stone but I do know I can't bare to scratch my kids with the marquise points.
 
My understanding is that GIA has very strict parameters for what it would call and OEC. So many stones that might appear to you or me as and OEC might not get that designation from GIA. That is why I think you need to see a photo of the face of the stone. It might look like what you think is an OEC but would not have fit into GIA's strict parameters and therefore they would have labeled it differently.

you might want to read think link to the GIA site which gives an explanation of the labels they use:

http://www.gia.edu/gia-news-research-round-brilliant-cut-diamond-pay
 
ericad said:
No way to tell without pics - GIA frequently calls OEC's RB's, that wouldn't be unusual. But the table is really large for an OEC, though that can happen too. So I'd need to see a pic.

What happened to your awesome marquise?!
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This is what I was thinking too!!

Rainbowradish.....I am loving living vicariously through your ring adventures. I can't wait to see the new variation of your marquise.

And....can we see a picture of said OEC?? Pretty please, lol!

I totally hear you on having a ring you can wear all the time that's functional with the littles. I know you'll find the perfect ring. :sun:
 
Super helpful article, thanks! I guess the small culet threw me. JDDN, I haven't seen a photo yet. Never fear I will happily indulge your request of sharing what I find :-)
 
Hello! Can't wait to see what this looks like. From what I understand this has all of the indicators of an early Tolkowsky type ideal (described in Gilbertson's book American Cut) or could be what was also being cut in America by the time Tolkowsky published his work on diamond cut design, known then as American Cut. The table size, smaller star facets, thin to very thin girdle, short lower halves and open culet all point to an older/antique (but early modern) stone. GIA's cut parameters unfortunately don't capture the combined nuances. Promises to be a beauty I would think. I look forward to seeing images!
 
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