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This is a 5.63ct, Trilliant, 13.5x11.3x5.7mm, Blue-Green-and little yellow, Very Clean VS Clarity, Non-treated.

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5.63 sapphire

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what matters is do you like it.....personally, i favor the odd.

movie zombie
 
Well I want to make sure the gem is of some value.
 
I think it''s cool. I don''t know about value. Are you buying these as an investment?

What site are you looking at?
 
I am a diamond wholesaler, and I just got back from Thailand where there are so many colored gemstone cutters. I met quite a few direct cutters and they gave me like a price sheet basically but I don''t know how well everything is yet, am waiting on first stone to actually arrive. They have everything and anything, from aquamarine to Zircon. And the thing I''m new to is determining what makes a good colorged gem. I am acutally not purchasing as an investment but in fact to turn around and sell right away. I have 2 buyers here locally in AZ and then what they don''t get I''ll sell off to the general public around the area. They price everything out for me I just find a stone I like send them as much info as possible and they reply with a quote for that stone.
 
For example they just sent me some specs on a Flawless Tourmaline. It is 22.56cts, Beautiful Pear Shaped Cut, 21.35x14.13x9.66mm, Fully Certified Paraiba color. And I can pick it up for just under $6,000. And my buyer here in town if it is as it says it is they will pick it up for around $35-$40k. So we will see like I said this stone is the first colored stone I have ever purchased.
 
Can we see a pic of the Paraiba?

I personally like the sapphire that you posted, but I''m like movie zombie in that I like the odd stuff. I think the general public would probably be more interested in a solid color.

Just out of curiosity, about how much are they asking for that sapphire?

(Hello fellow Southwesterner! I''m in NM!)

Also, I''d check out that ACS site for price comparison, I didn''t realize that you were a vendor.
 
The Sapphire was for $1250 my cost at least but again I don''t know what something like that goes for, I have a feeling some of these are great deals and some are bad. But I need to learn much much mroe about these gems.
 
The only pic they sent me..

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One thing I know is that greenish sapphires are not easy to find on the internet. I''ve been looking for a cool one for a while, and can''t find anything worth my time. I know there is a 3+ct on AJS that is for sale for $600, but in the pic is grayish and I''m guessing it does not look anything like the pic, because it''s been bought 3 times, and returned each time (I''ve been stalking it for a while-can you tell?). But the public isn''t aware of green sapphires or doesn''t like them, so the prices on those will be much lower than prices on blue, pink or yellow.

Have you looked at Natural Sapphire Company?

Here are AJS''s blue-green sapphires

But the one you posted is a much nicer color than those. Not to mention bigger (well except for that heart), but I have to warn you that all of those stones have been sitting there for the past 7 months-only one has sold permanently.
 
Date: 6/24/2008 2:52:34 PM
Author: letscm
The only pic they sent me..
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That looks like a pretty color stone, granted I am an amateur at this stuff. The problem I''m seeing is that it has a significant window in it. But still-that size stone for that price...
 
The stone is large and clean, which is good. The color is known as parti. It is quite common in sapphirres from various reghions, most notably, Australia. But it could be from anywhere.

The cut is not bad, though obviously native. It is ano odd shape which decreases the market value a bit.. In the end, I would say you got a reasonable deal, but not great.

As far as the Paraiba goes, you need to make sure your client is looking for a paraiba-colored tourmaline as opposed to a true paraiba. A true Paraiba (from Paraiba, Brazil) in that size and quality would set you back several hundred thousand dollars. A Nigerian or Mozambique Paraiba-colored stone should be available for around the price you are quoting though it still seems a bit low.

The first thing I would do when you get the stone in hand is to take it to a reputable gemologist and have the certification done yourself. Not putting down the forign organizations, but on something of that potential value to you, I wouldn''t trust an overseas certification.

In any case, good luck with your endeavor. I hope it pays off for you.
 
That "paraiba" doesn''t look electric enough to me to truly be paraiba...you might want to tread cautiously. But I am no expert.
 
This might be helpful. link
 
I need to go over to NW and visit you have you take me through gemstone school, the thing I hate is unlike Diamonds there are so many variations, in color, clarity, color changing, to much to take in heh. But I figured I''d get into both because it never hurts to have access to eveything. Are you personally a wholesaler, or just doing this for fun and for investments?
 
I just saw the pic. While the stone may actually be copper-bearing, it has several very serious problems.

First and foremost, it is displaying a rather large window. Not good.

Second, it appears to have some flws or inclusions near the tip, Hard to tell from the pic, though.

Third, and possible most important, the color on this stone is nowhere near Paraiba blue. It is the color you typically see from average Moz and Nigerian "paraibas".

Now the good news. For sheer size and clarity, the stone is probably worth the $6000 you would pay for it. The bad news is that, if your buyer has any knowledge whatsoever, he would never pay anywhere near the stated $35 to$45k you mentioned.

All I can say is be careful. Good luck!
 
I appreciate all of this information thank you everyone, I am learning so I have to go slowly and hopefully not make any costly mistakes here...I really do appreciate everyone's insite though.
 
Date: 6/24/2008 2:59:57 PM
Author: letscm
I need to go over to NW and visit you have you take me through gemstone school, the thing I hate is unlike Diamonds there are so many variations, in color, clarity, color changing, to much to take in heh. But I figured I''d get into both because it never hurts to have access to eveything. Are you personally a wholesaler, or just doing this for fun and for investments?
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If you''re talking to me, I''m a noob. I know hardly anything, except that I love gemstones. Not so much diamonds. I just do it for fun, but I think it would be awesome to design jewelry someday.

And I really love that Sapphire the more I look at it. Very very pretty and unusual.
 
Freke,
What is stopping you from designing jewelry now? All you need is paper and pencil.

Forget production considerations, stone suitablility and all the other encumbering stuff. Get the pad and DRAW!!!!

Go for it!
 
Date: 6/24/2008 3:18:19 PM
Author: Revolution
Freke,
What is stopping you from designing jewelry now? All you need is paper and pencil.

Forget production considerations, stone suitablility and all the other encumbering stuff. Get the pad and DRAW!!!!

Go for it!
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Jeff,
I suck at drawing, honestly. I've taken classes and gotten a little better, but what I imagine in my head doesn't come out on paper. That doesn't keep me from dreaming about it though.

I am afraid that there isn't a market for what I've got in my head as well. I'm kind of quirky and weird and I think what I've got going on in my head is as well. Don't get me wrong though, it doesn't stop me. I have some little designs floating around-but everything is based off of stones that I've seen, or own. They kind of inspire me. And it would be quirky, one of a kind almost fine jewelry-and probably no diamonds.

I haven't put any thought into something for the sapphire upthread, but if I thought about it I'm sure something would pop up because I'm really digging it.

I actually saw a series of 5 Swiss Blue Topaz that were funky cuts-and designed a necklace around them, but soon afterwards, one of them sold.

Thank you for the encouragement though-I really really appreciate it. And don't worry, it'll still be in the back of my head while I'm collected gobs of gemstones and doodling designs instead of paying attention in school. Once I'm out of school, maybe I'll seriously consider it.

(And if I figure out anything cool...I will let you know.
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Psst...now I'm going to have to go to my boring @$$ sociology class and doodle thanks to you.
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I think a lot of sapphires have streaks in them but it's not usually sought after. Still it can look really cool. My friend has a bi color thats half clear and half blue.
 
The post at the top has lists of books on colored stones. Maybe those would help you with your research.
 
Freke,

You might be surprised at what people like. As you can tell by my avatar, I have a taste for the freaky, dark and disturbing. Particularly in jewelry. I love rough metals, strange materials, almost anything out of the ordinary.

Probably the most beautiful ring I ever saw was made out of a rusted, bent horse shoe nail lined with 22kt yellow gold and set with an uncut pink diamong octo. No side stones, no decoration. Just a completely original and (to my eye at least)stunning presentation of out-of-the-ordinary materials with out-of-the-ordinary treatments.

I suck at drawing myself but I would sure like to hear some of your ideas.

I have always wanted to do an H.R. Giger inspired ring for myself. I love the bio-mechanical thing. (My avatar is HR Giger drawing. He is the guy who designed "Alien". Check out his website at www.giger.com)
 
I like that sapphire - but then I like the stranger colours as well.

I posted some good sites to look at in your other thread.

Coloured stones are a whole new ball game from diamonds - which is why I love them so much - but there are a HUGE number of variables that go into values.

I learn by looking, looking - oh and did I mention haunting online dealers sites like crazy.

The more pieces you see, especially at different price points, the more you will see what makes one stone better than another.

If you plan to buy expensive pieces, I''ll throw out a couple of pieces of advice - which you may or may not know/find useful...
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a) Thai dealers know EXACTLY what they are selling and what it is worth and aren''t in the habit of losing money
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b) Buy a few pieces of equipment and learn how to use them - good quality loupe (I have a Belomo which I love), chelsea filter, dichroscope for starters and then add in a refractometer, polariscope and spectroscope. There are some good book recommendations in the book thread above.

c) Learn what you can about treatments and how to detect them - or at least when to be suspicious. Ditto for synthetics (I have a collection of them for ''learning what not to buy'' purposes.

and the most important piece of advice...

POST PICTURES OF EVERYTHING YOU BUY HERE - OR ELSE!
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Freke, you don''t need to be able to draw to design!

I used to do a lot of work for Gianni Versace''s main designer. He couldn''t tell one end of a pencil from another. He would send me an email with a written idea of what he wanted. I''d draw it and send it back and then we''d make alterations. I was merely the technical person who did the interpretation - HE was the designer, and a genius one at that.

Good design is far more difficult than being able to draw. The creative spark and inspiration is the really important part.
 
It is unusual, that's why I like it. I can't comment on the value of the stone, because I am pretty new here too. If I am buying something cheap, I will ask "do I like it". If I am buying something expensive, the additional question would be "is it worth it?". I am only at the first stage in color stones.

I ditto everything pandora II has said. It would be better for you to learn the trade before you are in the trade. Most of the people here would want to buy from reputed sellers. They are depending on the sellers to be honest about the value of the stones. If you sell it to couple customers and turned out that the stone didn't worth as much, you would end up with very bad reputation in this trade. Besides, you don't want to buy something that's worthless yourself to start with. Just my $0.02.
 
O I completely agree with you lovegem I am a very reputable Diamond wholesaler here in Phx, AZ with some local shops and the general public, I try to give the general public the same deals as the stores. Most of the local jewelry stores hate me but I think it''s only fair why should everyone pay outrageous prices?

I do have a lot to learn about colored gems and I look forward to learning I just purchased a bunch of books, and hopefully I can learn a thing or two.
 
As Revolution said, this is called a "parti-colored" sapphire, because of the combination of blue, green, and yellow. You are being charged about what the stone is worth. If you love the stone''s beauty and feel creatively inspired by it, then buy it. If you want a guaranteed investment or resale stone, you are taking a chance. These sapphires may go up in value in the next few years - and they may not.

Personally, I love "partis" - I just bought one, which is why I happen to have info about them - and I think they''re great. I think the stone you have there is beautiful. But I, too, am quirky. You should probably ask your customers/resellers what colors they want to see in colored gemstones.

Even though this sapphire showed up in Thailand, it is probably from Australia. Here is an article about this:

http://www.modernjeweler.com/web/online/Colored-Gemstone-Gem-Profiles/Australian-Sapphire/1$299

And here is a link to a web site that has more trillion-cut partis:

http://www.aussiesapphire.com.au/
 
Date: 6/24/2008 5:58:12 PM
Author: Revolution
Freke,

You might be surprised at what people like. As you can tell by my avatar, I have a taste for the freaky, dark and disturbing. Particularly in jewelry. I love rough metals, strange materials, almost anything out of the ordinary.

Probably the most beautiful ring I ever saw was made out of a rusted, bent horse shoe nail lined with 22kt yellow gold and set with an uncut pink diamong octo. No side stones, no decoration. Just a completely original and (to my eye at least)stunning presentation of out-of-the-ordinary materials with out-of-the-ordinary treatments.

I suck at drawing myself but I would sure like to hear some of your ideas.

I have always wanted to do an H.R. Giger inspired ring for myself. I love the bio-mechanical thing. (My avatar is HR Giger drawing. He is the guy who designed 'Alien'. Check out his website at www.giger.com)
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Hi Jeff!

I know some people have very different taste from the norm. My best friend is drawn to darker jewelry and among other things. I love cut stones for myself, but I have a thing for being drawn to uncut stones. Lilly Barrack, a local artist uses some uncut stones, and she's the one who really influenced me with that. I also like things that are somewhat unstructured and not quite as perfect. And I love gemstones that aren't cut perfectly, have inclusions or whatever other flaws...

That ring sounds pretty amazing.

I drew throughout my class today. I totally suck at it. I'm going to send Pandora my ideas and make her draw them for me!

I have to tell you that your avatar always reminds me of Alex Grey's work-BF is a huge Tool fan and Alex does most of their album artwork-so whenever they put out a new album I get to that out.

Why don't you make a Giger inspired ring?


Sorry for the threadjack letscm!!!
 
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