Is this a good price for a 2.04 CT D color stone???

[Mtbkr31]

Hi all,

I negotiated the loose stone to $14k. I was wondering if this is a good price considering the feathering the stone has in the GIA report and its durability. Thank you.

 

[ash_sparkle]

Price seems to be well negotiated. Inclusions will be pretty visible with this size of the stone.

 

[Mtbkr31]

Price seems to be well negotiated. Inclusions will be pretty visible with this size of the stone.

Thanks for the reply Ash. I was under the assumption that it was a SI1 stone, however looking at the GIA report it lists it as an I1. If that’s the case I believe that the price should significantly lower say in the $7k-8k range or am I way out of wack with this. Let me know your thoughts. Also I’m a little wary of all the feathering as it relates to the durability of the stone...should I stay away?

 

[ratatat]

I'll be honest with you, this looks like an absolute dud. Only very good cut grade (which isn't very good at all), I1 clarity which is likely to either be visible or pose a structural issue to the diamond...
Why bother paying for a 2ct D if it is going to look like this? I guess you get what you pay for. Even if size was your only consideration, I think you can do better

 

[MarionC]

Paying for D color matched with that level of clarity isn’t logical to me. It is not a good quality stone, but you are paying for the color. Perhaps something more in balance,
Like F/SI1?
I am very mind-clean picky. I like VS1 and better. Not even VS2 unless the inclusion is really difficult to find. I know people do enjoy SI1s and are very happy with them.
My two cents.

 

[ratatat]

Point of reference - this is what a 2ct D I1 looks like.
This one at least has an excellent cut grade and is $11,710 (NB it is 2.02ct but faces up essentially the same as, if not bigger than, your 2.04)
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-d-color-i1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3695410

 

[tyty333]

Lower your color and up your clarity (eye-clean SI1). You'll probably need to drop down to an "I" to stay in the $14k range.

 

[Mtbkr31]

Thanks all for the honest feedback. I’m going to find a better quality stone like a F SI1 or VS2 from 1.8 - 2.05 CTs. I have a rapaport from Jan ‘17. I’m using it to baseline pricing from a whole sale perspective. How accurate do you all think it will be? Thanks again for the help.

 

[ratatat]

F or G SI1 or VS2 sounds like a much better idea! Also stick with GIA excellent or AGS ideal
You'll never buy a diamond at wholesale pricing but I guess a site like James Allen will give you a reasonable rough guide of how much similar diamonds cost

 

[Snowdrop13]

Use the diamond search facility under the Resources tab above- you will be able to do a search and get a good spread of stones.

 

[valeria101]

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It could be an interetsing I1 with 'whisps' as the main 'characteristic' ... I'd be curious to see the wonder, but, the price is obviously high & allows less adventurious options.

I'd set my search to D-H, IF-SI2, GIA & AGS, > 1.6 cts, < 15K

 

[rockysalamander]

IMHO Rappaport is fairly meaningless for a consumer buying a single diamond vs tracking price trends. It is more useful to a buyer in understanding if diamond prices are trending up/down/stable. Two identically graded diamonds can vary significantly in price from the same vendor due to undertone (grey, yellow, brown), location and type of inclusions, visibility of inclusions, quality of cutting, price vendor paid, old rough or new rough stock, and the list goes on. Use PS vendor sites to establish market prices at the high and low end of stones with the same specs and grading by the same grading source (GIA or AGS). Your price should come in between those numbers.

Stick with stones within these ranges to help you stay in ideal cut territory with a GIA excellent cut stone. For a local jeweler, tell them you only want stones that are within these ranges:
table: 52-57.5 (but I really prefer under 57)
depth: 60-62.3 (consider 59.5)
crown angle: 34-35.0 (up to 35.5 crown angle can sometimes work with a 40.6 pav angle
pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9 (sometimes 41.0 if the crown angle is close to 34)

Then, run those four numbers through the HCA tool (https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca) and reject anything greater than 2.0 (1.0 not better than 1.9, this is used to simply reject stones). But, if you like 60/60 stones, this tool has some limitations, its requires more of an visual assessment and the IS/ASET.

Anything left, that meets your clarity and color needs is worthy of requesting images IS/ASET. But, if you look at super-ideal stones (WF ACA, Brian Gavin Select,GoodOldGold,HighPerformanceDiamonds, etc.), just look at the images and ignore the above process.

Edited to fix typos.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Thanks all for the honest feedback. I’m going to find a better quality stone like a F SI1 or VS2 from 1.8 - 2.05 CTs. I have a rapaport from Jan ‘17. I’m using it to baseline pricing from a whole sale perspective. How accurate do you all think it will be? Thanks again for the help.

IMO, If you can buy a "top ideal cut" at 25% back of rap then go for it!

 

[AprilBaby]

There is no way I would buy an I1 stone.

 

[whitewave]

I likely wouldn't buy I1 in a 2 carat stone, but my original engagement ring was I1 and table clean and it never bothered me. But it was .75 carats.

 

[HappyNewLife]

Too included and too deep for me to even consider it