Is this a good ASET image?

[Gaff]

Ignore the clarity and color of the diamond. Going off of the ASET image is this a sparkly diamond?
https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...color-si2-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-4748734

I ask because this is touted as a True Hearts on JA but an ASET on diamond from WF that’s ACA seems to show less contrast. What role does contrast play and how much is too much?

 

[bmfang]

Looks like a typical contrast pattern to me. ASET looks exceptionally good on the AGS report. One of the better JA True Hearts stones that I’ve seen in quite a while.

 

[tyty333]

The aset image on the AGS report is a computer image based on the angles. Its not a real picture of your stone. The aset image on the
ags report looks good.

Actually your aset is showing less contrast than most ACAs.

Are you sure you are talking about the aset image? This is your aset image.


Typical WF ACA aset image (from AGS report)

 

[Gaff]

So the ASET image on the AGS report isn’t good to go off of?

 

[bmfang]

JA typically does not provide ASET images for their stones. Only Idealscope images. The images on the True Hearts listing are IS and hearts images, not ASET.

The computer generated ASET’s are very useful but not as good as an actual ASET image of the stone.

 

[blueMA]

The idealscope images are of an excellent H&A diamond. The shallow crown angle combined with the 41 pavillion means it'll be a bright diamond with good spread, but with less fire than of those with steeper crown. Personally I prefer diamonds optimized for brightness, because steeper crown can look pretty dark while throwing off more laser fire. The HCA score for the diamond is 0.8, with Excellence all around the board, so yes it'll be a "sparkly" diamond that performs better than most in the market. https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca

 

[YoLaL]

In real life this diamond can't tell the difference if you will put side by side with a super ideal range.
The light performance of this diamond it's pretty good. However pay attention on the inclusion of this diamond. Ask there gemologist if no issues on this. Honestly I always avoid this type of inclusion.

 

[Rpb]

@YoLaL are you referring to the inclusion on the table or on the periphery? If it is the periphery then probably one of the prongs can be set around to hide it if possible. To me almost 1.5 CT size at this price and near ideal cut is an awesome deal.....of course I would also check with JA how eye clean it is....

 

[YoLaL]

@Rpb I'm referring to that. For me I rather the feather is not in the edge of the girdle it may be prone to being damaged. Also in this case is not a good to cover by the prongs. It you put pressure on it during the setting, there's a chance it widen the crack or break.

 

[Rpb]

@Rpb I'm referring to that. For me I rather the feather is not in the edge of the girdle it may be prone to being damaged. Also in this case is not a good to cover by the prongs. It you put pressure on it during the setting, there's a chance it widen the crack or break.

Got it...need to keep that in mind...thanks YoLal

 

[YoLaL]

welcome !

Got it...need to keep that in mind...thanks YoLal

 

[Lorelei]

Got it...need to keep that in mind...thanks YoLal

Rbp, James Allen can advise if there's a potential problem with the feather, it's not always the case and in fact, it's unusual.

If it's eye clean to your preferences, it could be very nice.

 

[Rpb]

Rbp, James Allen can advise if there's a potential problem with the feather, it's not always the case and in fact, it's unusual.

If it's eye clean to your preferences, it could be very nice.

Yeah I totally agree....

 

[Lorelei]

Sorry @Rpb , I thought you were the original poster, never mind me - not enough coffee!

 

[WinkHPD]

In real life this diamond can't tell the difference if you will put side by side with a super ideal range.
The light performance of this diamond it's pretty good. However pay attention on the inclusion of this diamond. Ask there gemologist if no issues on this. Honestly I always avoid this type of inclusion.

I will respectfully disagree with the comment in red above. Many people will instantly notice the difference between even two AGS 0 cut diamonds when placed side by side, especially when one is cut at the outer edges of the AGS 0 target and another is cut to have much more brilliance and dispersion. (I am speaking in general here, not about this specific diamond.)

It should also be noted as the visual palate of the viewer improves with time and exposure to diamonds, the differences will become more and more apparent.

Wink

 

[blueMA]

I will respectfully disagree with the comment in red above. Many people will instantly notice the difference between even two AGS 0 cut diamonds when placed side by side, especially when one is cut at the outer edges of the AGS 0 target and another is cut to have much more brilliance and dispersion. (I am speaking in general here, not about this specific diamond.)

It should also be noted as the visual palate of the viewer improves with time and exposure to diamonds, the differences will become more and more apparent.

Wink

This is true, as I personally noticed many many moons ago when I visited a newly branded H&A store to notice all the diamonds faced up dark like a black hole. They were mostly super-ideals maximized for fire. I personally didn't like the look then, and I still don't now, and learned over the years with expanded knowledge that I prefer brighter facing stones.

 

[WinkHPD]

This is true, as I personally noticed many many moons ago when I visited a newly branded H&A store to notice all the diamonds faced up dark like a black hole. They were mostly super-ideals maximized for fire. I personally didn't like the look then, and I still don't now, and learned over the years with expanded knowledge that I prefer brighter facing stones.

To me that sounds like it might have been a lighting issue. Under single spot lights, properly cut diamonds will appear somewhat dark, but under multiple light sources they sing and dance magically. In fluorescent lighting they tend to be brighter than less well cut diamonds, but all diamonds sparkle less with fluorescent than with incandescent lighting.

However, all people have their own tastes and it is important to find which diamonds fit your tastes and to enjoy those diamonds.

Wink

 

[YoLaL]

Yes you right and I agree with you.
But for most people that who's in trade they can tell. For layman they can't or hard to tell.
If you dont tell them the difference, well they cant tell.

I will respectfully disagree with the comment in red above. Many people will instantly notice the difference between even two AGS 0 cut diamonds when placed side by side, especially when one is cut at the outer edges of the AGS 0 target and another is cut to have much more brilliance and dispersion. (I am speaking in general here, not about this specific diamond.)

It should also be noted as the visual palate of the viewer improves with time and exposure to diamonds, the differences will become more and more apparent.

Wink

 

[blueMA]

To me that sounds like it might have been a lighting issue. Under single spot lights, properly cut diamonds will appear somewhat dark, but under multiple light sources they sing and dance magically. In fluorescent lighting they tend to be brighter than less well cut diamonds, but all diamonds sparkle less with fluorescent than with incandescent lighting.

However, all people have their own tastes and it is important to find which diamonds fit your tastes and to enjoy those diamonds.

Wink

Yes lighting has a lot to do with how a diamond looks under various lighting. However, I had my H&A stone e-ring at that time and noticed the difference right away under the same exact lighting.

I learned years later why due to certain crown/pavilion angle combo, and I've even recently seen an AGS0 stone at a local jeweler which the sales manager touted as the best example of an ideally cut diamond, but I saw a slight light leakage under the table with my Idealscope, and I had to point out to the manager the much lighter pink areas under their own ASET scope of the stone over 62% in depth. Funny thing is the ASET image on the diamond cert card looked practically perfect. The stone looked much darker next to my H&A and I demonstrated with my own stone how it should look with maximum light return.

 

[blueMA]

Yes you right and I agree with you.
But for most people that who's in trade they can tell. For layman they can't or hard to tell.
If you dont tell them the difference, well they cant tell.

This is like my husband - who can't tell a CZ from a diamond and don't care enough for close evaluation, which is probably the majority of population. However, many women around my circle could, and some definitely notice the difference enough to regret their own diamond.

 

[WinkHPD]

Yes you right and I agree with you.
But for most people that who's in trade they can tell. For layman they can't or hard to tell.
If you dont tell them the difference, well they cant tell.

This is like my husband - who can't tell a CZ from a diamond and don't care enough for close evaluation, which is probably the majority of population. However, many women around my circle could, and some definitely notice the difference enough to regret their own diamond.

This.

I have many many times sat down with a client and put three to five diamonds on a slotted tray and said NOTHING about any of the diamonds. Nearly always the lesser cut diamonds are removed from the tray first as it is observed either instantly or within less than 30 seconds, no matter how well trained or untrained the eyes are.

This is why I so strongly urge people to see diamonds with their eyes to see what they like. It takes all the worry out of the question. Often, people will choose diamonds with their eyes that they would never choose on paper, H-I-J often fly out the door in live showrooms as the appearance of the larger diamond in budget is just more loved by many than the smaller D. Others love the D. Neither is wrong and their tastes have been considered and respected and they made the right choice for their eyes. This is also why most of the vendors here allow strong return privileges. We all want you to feel comfortable enough to call the diamond in and see if it really is the best deal for YOUR eyes.

Wink

 

[flyingpig]

I am not a trade person,; just somewhat experienced consumer. I will easily tell the difference between the two IRL. I am not saying one is better than the other. They are just different.

 

[blueMA]

This.

I have many many times sat down with a client and put three to five diamonds on a slotted tray and said NOTHING about any of the diamonds. Nearly always the lesser cut diamonds are removed from the tray first as it is observed either instantly or within less than 30 seconds, no matter how well trained or untrained the eyes are.

This is why I so strongly urge people to see diamonds with their eyes to see what they like. It takes all the worry out of the question. Often, people will choose diamonds with their eyes that they would never choose on paper, H-I-J often fly out the door in live showrooms as the appearance of the larger diamond in budget is just more loved by many than the smaller D. Others love the D. Neither is wrong and their tastes have been considered and respected and they made the right choice for their eyes. This is also why most of the vendors here allow strong return privileges. We all want you to feel comfortable enough to call the diamond in and see if it really is the best deal for YOUR eyes.

Wink

That's an interesting test you've conducted, but when you mean "the lesser cut," are they much poorer cut diamonds? I wonder how many people can differentiate within the specs of AGS Ideals under HCA2, or simply between GIA3X vs H&A? I may be able to tell between 34/41 vs 35/40.6 CA/PA, but not so much between middle of the road GIA3x vs H&A super-ideals through naked eyes.

 

[WinkHPD]

That's an interesting test you've conducted, but when you mean "the lesser cut," are they much poorer cut diamonds? I wonder how many people can differentiate within the specs of AGS Ideals under HCA2, or simply between GIA3X vs H&A? I may be able to tell between 34/41 vs 35/40.6 CA/PA, but not so much between middle of the road GIA3x vs H&A super-ideals through naked eyes.

I once sent three of my diamonds to be compared to two of someone else's AGS 0 cut diamonds to a store in Texas. The client called me the day I was sending them out not to bother since he had found other cheaper AGS 0s to compare them with. I told him that as long as he was going in to the store to choose between the two options that he deserved to see the ones I had. He said it was my nickel and he was never going to pay the extra money.

When the retailer in Texas put all five of the gems on the case top in a slotted tray, his first question to the retailer was which one is which. The retailer said, "Hey, you let your eyes do the walking."

He looked for a few seconds and then said, "Well, this one and that one do not sparkle as well."

Yes, those were the other two AGS 0 cut grades that were cheaper. He spent the money, there was that much difference.

I never saw the other diamonds, or their reports, but they did not stand the see it with YOUR eyes test.

Wink

 

[Rockdiamond]

I am not a trade person,; just somewhat experienced consumer. I will easily tell the difference between the two IRL. I am not saying one is better than the other. They are just different.

This is so very true.
Different is the key word here.
In my experience, a lot of how people react to stones have to do with how they are presented.
Basically, if you're selling something, as much as you want, you can't simply remove your own likes or dislikes from the presentation.
Plus, the most passionate salespeople really love what they do- you can't fault that. In fact, it's attractive to many people.
But in an objective discussion, it's important to point out that different people who are very passionate about diamonds can, and do find different things most captivating about diamonds.
I have not found that learning more and seeing more necessarily brings a shift in taste.
The classic 60/60 ( if we're talking about the best examples) vs Ideal Cut comparison will still find dedicated enthusiasts on both sides.
Of course 60/60's are rare now....everyone is cutting way deeper.

 

[Gaff]

So when you say this diamond is brighter but not as fiery what do you means exactly?

 

[WinkHPD]

We trades people are not allowed to speak about a specific diamond.

In general, brighter, but not as fiery means that there is more white light light and less colored light, or fire.

It is a common myth that fire is the enemy of brightness and brightness is the enemy of fire. The reality is that in a really well cut diamond, it is possible to have both great brilliance AND great fire.

Wink

 

[Gaff]

So by fiery do you mean sparkle or would sparkle be brightness? Just trying to learn the terminology here.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Hi Gaff,
You'll find that there's not consensus on some of these terms.
"Fire" is the effect when the diamond acts as a prism. This is one term which is fairly easy to agree upon.
But unless we're talking a very large round diamond, fire is not what you'll notice.
Sparkle is an event. If a diamond has a lot of sparkles, it will...well sparkle.
Brightness describes light specifically.
Think of two flashlights, one with drained batteries...one is brighter than the other.

 

[WinkHPD]

Simple answer, Fire is colored sparkle. Brilliance is white sparkle. It is the on/off sparkle as a diamond is moved that makes a diamond exciting. Even the beating of your heart can be enough to make the sparkle dance as some facets turn off and others turn on.

Wink