Indian Visit

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

News from India

In one of the offices I visited today I found this AGS chart on the wall.

I have been studying Sergey’s latest developments in Helium Rough – the version for planning cutting that looks into the stone and automatically plots the size and position of the inclusions. It seems Sarin is about to release their version, which will be interesting since Sergey has a European and Indian patent.

His patent is here on page 105 of 217
http://www.patentoffice.nic.in/ipr/patent/journal_archieve/pat_arch_072005/official_journal_22072005.pdf

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

oops
forgot it

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

poor connection dropped out this time

 

[diagem]

Garry, is this new development realistic??
And I think Sarin technology comes from Israel, doesnt it?

I heard some stories about this technology, but seems to be "not taken to seriously" in the manufacturing sector, since you saw it and you are folowing it, what are your thoughts on it.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 2/28/2006 3:36:48 PM
Author: DiaGem
Garry, is this new development realistic??
And I think Sarin technology comes from Israel, doesnt it?

I heard some stories about this technology, but seems to be 'not taken to seriously' in the manufacturing sector, since you saw it and you are folowing it, what are your thoughts on it.

At first it was only being used by manufacturers of +1/2ct goods - but now they are doing down to 1/2ct rough.
It seems to works best with central inclusions in smaller stones - up to about 5 - but if inclusions are spread thru the stone there is no advantage unless the stone is huge - like one I posted last year in the pictures gallery - http://com.pricescope.com/photos/stones/category1002/picture614.aspx
and http://com.pricescope.com/photos/stones/category1002/picture613.aspx

While I am here DiaGem i can easily get answers to any questions.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Garry
are you seeing more "FIC" these days?

 

[diagem]

Date: 2/28/2006 8:54:21 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 2/28/2006 3:36:48 PM
Author: DiaGem
Garry, is this new development realistic??
And I think Sarin technology comes from Israel, doesnt it?

I heard some stories about this technology, but seems to be ''not taken to seriously'' in the manufacturing sector, since you saw it and you are folowing it, what are your thoughts on it.

At first it was only being used by manufacturers of +1/2ct goods - but now they are doing down to 1/2ct rough.
It seems to works best with central inclusions in smaller stones - up to about 5 - but if inclusions are spread thru the stone there is no advantage unless the stone is huge - like one I posted last year in the pictures gallery - http://com.pricescope.com/photos/stones/category1002/picture614.aspx
and http://com.pricescope.com/photos/stones/category1002/picture613.aspx

While I am here DiaGem i can easily get answers to any questions.

Garry, so i understand that it has an advantage on sawable rough with center inclusions (for sawing purposes, like opening a window to determening the exact position of the inclusion).

It will not position the polished diamond option accuratly if the inclusions are spread through out the rough stone...
Am i understanding right?

Thanx,

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 2/28/2006 8:54:21 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 2/28/2006 3:36:48 PM

It seems to works best with central inclusions in smaller stones - up to about 5 - but if inclusions are spread thru the stone there is no advantage unless the stone is huge

Is that mainly because there is too many options with scattered inclusions on how its to be cut?
Smaller - cleaner vs larger - more included?
Or is it locked into too too limited a cutting style to deal with it?

 

[strmrdr]

The AGS chart is a good sign :}

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 3/1/2006 3:54:08 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
Garry
are you seeing more ''FIC'' these days?

Yes DF - one leading manufacturer here is polishing it regularly - but often with very thick girdles.
So spread is small but prices good.
The trouble is they will probably not be graded by labs and that means they will not be sold online.

This new GIA grading system is causing a lot of upheaval.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 3/1/2006 7:16:31 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 2/28/2006 8:54:21 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 2/28/2006 3:36:48 PM

It seems to works best with central inclusions in smaller stones - up to about 5 - but if inclusions are spread thru the stone there is no advantage unless the stone is huge

Is that mainly because there is too many options with scattered inclusions on how its to be cut?
Smaller - cleaner vs larger - more included?
Or is it locked into too too limited a cutting style to deal with it?

If a 2ct rough stone has 5 VS inclusions spread evenly thru the stone then you will end up with at least a VS stone and maybe it is impossible to cut 2 sawn stones of say 1ct princess and 1/2ct round without at least 1 inclusion in the 1ct P and maybe 1 or 2 in the round.
It is like 3D chess.
You can all download a free viewer version of the Oxygen Viewer - with a couple sample jobs. You need to pay about $4k for a licence to be able to actually work on a stone - but I think for anyone interested you will find this opens a wonderful world of comprehension. I am learnign so much here!!!

http://www.octonus.com/oct/download/oxy_view_down.phtml

And follow these simple instructions to check the files are not corrupted
http://www.octonus.com/oct/download/doc_check_sign.phtml Do this part after you have used the instal wizard.

If you like this game I can forward some really complex stone examples - I can probably even get the workings on that 9ct stone i photographed last year

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/2/2006 12:15:18 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 3/1/2006 3:54:08 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
Garry
are you seeing more ''FIC'' these days?

Yes DF - one leading manufacturer here is polishing it regularly - but often with very thick girdles.
So spread is small but prices good.
The trouble is they will probably not be graded by labs and that means they will not be sold online.

This new GIA grading system is causing a lot of upheaval.

Garry
that is too bad for the consumer who is looking for these.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 3/2/2006 1:03:46 AM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/2/2006 12:15:18 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 3/1/2006 3:54:08 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
Garry
are you seeing more ''FIC'' these days?

Yes DF - one leading manufacturer here is polishing it regularly - but often with very thick girdles.
So spread is small but prices good.
The trouble is they will probably not be graded by labs and that means they will not be sold online.

This new GIA grading system is causing a lot of upheaval.

Garry
that is too bad for the consumer who is looking for these.

On my crusade to improve the beauty of diamonds I include all the people who buy diamonds DF - it is sad for you, but good for some others because many of these stones will end up in the shopping malls.
The fact that more are being cut is what is really important - and that they are being produced by respected market leaders here.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Garry
i would have a better chance of seeing FIC at the mall?

 

[Serg]

re:This new GIA grading system is causing a lot of upheaval.

Could you clarify( give more information)?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/2/2006 12:35:06 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 3/1/2006 7:16:31 AM

Author: strmrdr

Date: 2/28/2006 8:54:21 PM

Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 2/28/2006 3:36:48 PM


It seems to works best with central inclusions in smaller stones - up to about 5 - but if inclusions are spread thru the stone there is no advantage unless the stone is huge

Is that mainly because there is too many options with scattered inclusions on how its to be cut?

Smaller - cleaner vs larger - more included?

Or is it locked into too too limited a cutting style to deal with it?

If a 2ct rough stone has 5 VS inclusions spread evenly thru the stone then you will end up with at least a VS stone and maybe it is impossible to cut 2 sawn stones of say 1ct princess and 1/2ct round without at least 1 inclusion in the 1ct P and maybe 1 or 2 in the round.

It is like 3D chess.

You can all download a free viewer version of the Oxygen Viewer - with a couple sample jobs. You need to pay about $4k for a licence to be able to actually work on a stone - but I think for anyone interested you will find this opens a wonderful world of comprehension. I am learnign so much here!!!


http://www.octonus.com/oct/download/oxy_view_down.phtml


And follow these simple instructions to check the files are not corrupted

http://www.octonus.com/oct/download/doc_check_sign.phtml Do this part after you have used the instal wizard.


If you like this game I can forward some really complex stone examples - I can probably even get the workings on that 9ct stone i photographed last year

Way kewl,
downloaded and installed, waiting for the code.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Sent you 1mb of stuff Storm - anyone else ask me
crack this code
garryhATideal-scope.com

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

DiaGem you asked about this process.

Here is an example from a 9ct stone with a huge lack central inclusion.

The example on the left is the obvious marking solution, and on the right is a complex solution that involves sawing of and polishing 3 corners, and then cutting 3 larger stones out of the remainder. All are VS or better.

This solution requires greater skill and costs, but makes almost 2x the revenue, as calculated by the software..

 

[Richard Sherwood]

Now that''s impressive...

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Hey Garry,

I am interested in a gun, that can shoot around a corner. Can you deliver that?

Live long,

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/4/2006 8:00:06 AM
Author: Paul-Antwerp
Hey Garry,


I am interested in a gun, that can shoot around a corner. Can you deliver that?


Live long,

here you go...

http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/corner.asp

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/3/2006 11:57:21 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
DiaGem you asked about this process.

Here is an example from a 9ct stone with a huge lack central inclusion.

The example on the left is the obvious marking solution, and on the right is a complex solution that involves sawing of and polishing 3 corners, and then cutting 3 larger stones out of the remainder. All are VS or better.

This solution requires greater skill and costs, but makes almost 2x the revenue, as calculated by the software..

Looks pretty, but will it be "more precise" than what cutters have done for hundreds of years..., evaluate these options counting on their own eyes?

Once you look at the sketch, is this the best combination out there, or a skilled planner and cutter might be optimizing what the computer points out to?
I hope i sound clear?

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/4/2006 8:00:06 AM
Author: Paul-Antwerp
Hey Garry,

I am interested in a gun, that can shoot around a corner. Can you deliver that?

Live long,

Yes Paul, it exists... ( a gun that shoots around the corner, while you (the triger-man) stands on the cover side of the corner..., plus you can see the enemy through an LCD screen, and get exact info. where the enemy is located and how far he is...

Let me know if you want more info on that...

But a gun that shoots around the corner in MUCH simpler than a computer taking into account the inclusions inside a Rough Diamond..., do you agree?

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Thank you for the link to that gun, storm and Diagem. But it is not what I am looking for.

It is one where the bullet leaves the gun, and at the corner, the bullet takes a turn, totally indepently. From what I see, Garry must have it.

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/4/2006 8:38:32 AM
Author: Paul-Antwerp
Thank you for the link to that gun, storm and Diagem. But it is not what I am looking for.

It is one where the bullet leaves the gun, and at the corner, the bullet takes a turn, totally indepently. From what I see, Garry must have it.

This exists in Missles for a few decades now..., so you should imagine it exists in guns too, right?

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/4/2006 8:38:32 AM
Author: Paul-Antwerp
Thank you for the link to that gun, storm and Diagem. But it is not what I am looking for.

It is one where the bullet leaves the gun, and at the corner, the bullet takes a turn, totally indepently. From what I see, Garry must have it.

But, you are right, as far as that bullet turning a corner in the Diamond manufacturing arena, i still didnt meet that yet!!!
Especialy in "speculative range rough".

I still trust my eyes more than anything else. also truth about color and yields, i dont trust any color-machines or computers for fancy shapes...,
I do use them on occasion to double check other opinions though

 

[Incognito2]

Date: 3/3/2006 11:57:21 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
DiaGem you asked about this process.

Here is an example from a 9ct stone with a huge lack central inclusion.

The example on the left is the obvious marking solution, and on the right is a complex solution that involves sawing of and polishing 3 corners, and then cutting 3 larger stones out of the remainder. All are VS or better.

This solution requires greater skill and costs, but makes almost 2x the revenue, as calculated by the software..

An admitted Newbie completely removed from the diamond trade, this is completely FASCINATING to me. I hope this isnt a stupid question, but....is this tool limited to evaluating yields from only RB cuts, or will it factor in other fancy shapes to determine the maximized value of the stone from rough to polished?

 

[diagem]

Date: 3/4/2006 10:10:07 AM
Author: Incognito2

Date: 3/3/2006 11:57:21 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
DiaGem you asked about this process.

Here is an example from a 9ct stone with a huge lack central inclusion.

The example on the left is the obvious marking solution, and on the right is a complex solution that involves sawing of and polishing 3 corners, and then cutting 3 larger stones out of the remainder. All are VS or better.

This solution requires greater skill and costs, but makes almost 2x the revenue, as calculated by the software..

An admitted Newbie completely removed from the diamond trade, this is completely FASCINATING to me. I hope this isnt a stupid question, but....is this tool limited to evaluating yields from only RB cuts, or will it factor in other fancy shapes to determine the maximized value of the stone from rough to polished?

Both, but as far as my info. its much more accurate on RB''s and "far" from accurate in fancy shapes...