inclusion question

[gracie007]

i have been looking for a cushion for a few months....MArk T has just sent me two and I have a jeweler here that is trying to find some as well/ She found an awesome Old mine Cut (which i loved!) It is gorgeous...1.93 carats , large culet(again, i love this)...the only problem is a small inclusion on one of the corners....it looks like a little bubble....I LOVE the stone but am afraid this will drive me nuts...They said that the prong will more than likely cover most of it...what do yall think? Would you obsess over it or just get over it...I am scared I won''t be able to find another one anytime in the near future.....

 

[belle]

there''s a really good chance that the prong will cover it up. i think crystal inclusions are cool, but you''re the one that has to be happy with it!

 

[gracie007]

thanks fo rresponding belle....how hard are OMC''s to find?? do you know?

 

[skphotoimages]

Well, its hard to say with out knowing how big this bubble is. can you clearly see it when looking at the diamond without a loupe? If the jeweler says it will or will mostly be covered by the prong, then you should be fine. You might stare at it for a few weeks scrutinizing it, but as pretty as Old Mines can be, you''ll probably be blinded by the large chunks of light and color it throws off (1.9 is a wowzer). I like cushions too, but an awesome old mine is a sight to behold (in my opinion). If it were me I''d just get over it, but I''m not you, and I''m not sure what that "bubble" looks like. I knew a girl who had a large princess with a BIG cloud in one of the corners, The prong covered some of it, but you could never see the cloud because the prong just sorta masked it. In a stone that large most people aren''t looking at a corner you know? Keep us posted!

 

[gracie007]

it took me staring at it a few times before i saw it..but after that..yes , you can see it with the naked eye...of course, my eye went right to it! I am fairly sure a prong would cover it..but what if it didnt and i obsessed over it..! it is times like these when i wish my boyfriend had never wanted my help

 

[AndyRosse]

Well, if the inclusion is something you would obsess over if you could still see it after the stone was set, I wouldn''t take the chance. Now personally, I like being able to identify an small inclusion in my diamond, it just seems like a birthmark, making my diamond even more unique and special. I can see a small line on the side of my diamond, and while a prong could easily cover it up, I like it the way it is! Of course, I''m crazy LOL.

 

[skphotoimages]

I agree with Rascal. When I went searching for my upgrade I wanted something in it I could see to "identify" my diamond. But once again the diamond I ended up with was another VVS1. The diamond I got was a 60:60 stone, and it tends to absorb whatever color is overhead. Like if I''m in our basement with redoak ceilings, my diamond looks pinkish. I obsessed on it for 3 or 4 weeks, but I love it now and would NEVER go back. I''d get the Old Miner, but that''s just me. Hey, maybe if you don''t want it, I will get it.

 

[Lorelei]

That is absolutely classic - you can''t see an inclusion straight away but your eyes go straight to it when you know where to look- especially if you have louped the diamond. I am like Rascal in as much as I like having a small inclusion, makes the diamond more personal to me. If this is prongable then it might not be an issue, but think carefully as to whether it may bug you. You could always look at the inclusion as the diamond''s unique birthmark as many of us do. Sounds like a fabulous stone, let us know what you decide!

 

[tulip928]

My diamond has what''s considered a major flaw - the girdle plane and table plane are slightly off (something I found out about when resetting - I thought the prongs on my old setting were just crooked). Of course, everytime I look at the diamond now, my mind "sees" the flaw, but in reality it''s not obvious to anyone. The stone sparkles and is G color, and the new setting is done well so I''m probably the only one who would even know. (Maybe the folks here would see it straight off, on second thought

) My mom has an old mine cut from the fifties, and it sparkles wonderfully. We''ve never taken a loupe to it and probably never will. Her wedding set is just so beautiful.

 

[tiger007g]

Date: 2/21/2006 10:37:56 PM
Author: gracie007
thanks fo rresponding belle....how hard are OMC''s to find?? do you know?

Hi Gracie - Nice original OMCs (there are some cushions being cut today in the old style, but I didn''t have any luck) that are in the 2 carat range can be pretty tough to find - finding one is a totally different experience than looking for a modern cut stone! I also heard that there has been an increase in demand for the antique cuts since antique-style jewelry has become popular and a lot of celebrities are wearing antique jewels on the red carpet.

I spent almost a year looking for my 3 carat stone. OMCs have very different personalities so you have to trust your eyes rather than relying on "the numbers."

It is very hard to find larger stones in a higher color (G or better) and most of the stones are uncertified, so it''s best to deal with a vendor that you trust and has a good inspection / return policy. Also, not every appraiser is familiar with antique stones and may not be able to give you a good assessment of the quality of the cut.

Most OMCs tend to be deep and you will find a lot of variation in the spread of an OMC. I saw quite a few 3 ct stones that had measurements that were much "smaller" than modern cushions of a comparable carat weight.

If you want to take up a search for and OMC, you can look up my previous threads to follow my search and the vendors I contacted. Good luck!

 

[Rod]

Hi Gracie,

Only you can decide if the inclusion will bother you, but the fact that you asked indicates to me that it will be an issue. IMHO, there is a difference between eye clean and "mind" clean. If just knowing there is an inclusion and being drawn to it, might cast a shadow of doubt over the stone, your enjoyment could be jeopardized.

Of course, we PSers obsess. We obsess over numbers. We obsess over inclusions. We obsess over grading reports. We obsess over Sarins. We obsess over brilliantscopes, lightscopes, others opinions. We just obsess.

I hope you find something you won''t feel compelled to obsess as much over.

Good luck.......

 

[robyn]

I have a fairly large old miner''s cut diamond that belonged to my grandmother. It''s almost 100 years old. It has a flaw (black spot - don''t know if that''s an "inclusion") in it that you don''t need glasses to see. But it sparkles like crazy - and I love it (both because it''s a pretty diamond - in my opinion - and because it belonged to my grandmother).

That said - only you can say whether you will love this stone despite its imperfections. And I wouldn''t buy it only if you think the imperfection can be hidden. You have to love it as is (because one day you may decide you want a new setting that will show the imperfection). Also - unless you''re talking about buying a really high quality gem stone - there''s going to be something "imperfect" about your diamond. It''s up to you to decide which imperfections you can or can''t live with. Robyn

 

[gracie007]

thanks for all the help Mark T is on the hunt for more OMC''s!