In the quest to find a 3ct diamond

[skydiamond88]

Hi everyone,

I am looking to upgrade my current eRing to a 3ct F/G VS2/SI1 (totally eye clean)
Whilst my current eRing is a super ideal that I can trade in with full amount to a 3ct super ideal, the vendor I am buying it from does not have a 3ct super ideal diamond within my spec available so it will have to be a custom order one.

Once looking online, I stumbled upon this 3ct G VS2 diamond with med fluoro with HCA of 1 which is sold at a very very attractive price



I know the the crown angle of 33.5 is probably lower than the ideal ca but it still gives a HCA of 1. What do you guys think?

I will contact them to provide ASET image and check if they can trade in my current diamond

 

[BlingDreams]

My concern with the shallower angle and larger table percentage that you'll have more white light than fire, but the true experts will be able to chime in better.

Video in all lighting, and ASET/Sarin report, would be very helpful.

 

[OoohShiny]

It may be in your previous thread, but can you post the angles etc. of your current stone, and detail what it is you like about it? (i.e. the coloured fire, the white light return, etc.)

 

[skydiamond88]

It may be in your previous thread, but can you post the angles etc. of your current stone, and detail what it is you like about it? (i.e. the coloured fire, the white light return, etc.)

My current stone stats:
ca 34.4
pa 40.8
table 56.7
depth 61.6
LGF 78
no fluoro

My fave is actually the high color (E). It's very white, much whiter than my previous stone (1.2 F) I think because of its max light return. I also love how sparkly it is it looks like a white fireball.
I don't know how to explain it but it looks as if it glows from within
It gives off colorful rainbow of color, although I prefer stronger white light sparkle compared to colorful rainbow of color.
And I know I prefer a higher crown % (mine is 14.9%) as the arrow sometimes look dark or too contrast although the LGF is 78.

 

[skydiamond88]

My concern with the shallower angle and larger table percentage that you'll have more white light than fire, but the true experts will be able to chime in better.

Video in all lighting, and ASET/Sarin report, would be very helpful.

@ILikeShiny thanks for your input.
they said it will take 3-5 days but I will update when they have given me the ideal scope (they said they don't provide aset scope)

There is also another diamond which is sold at a very low price as well given the stats I think probably due to its medium fluoro

3.04 G VS1 (with medium fluoro)



compared to the first one i posted, the 3.10 G VS2 (with medium fluoro)



which one looked better? or do I have to worry about the medium fluoro?

 

[BlingDreams]

@ILikeShiny thanks for your input.
they said it will take 3-5 days but I will update when they have given me the ideal scope (they said they don't provide aset scope)

There is also another diamond which is sold at a very low price as well given the stats I think probably due to its medium fluoro

3.04 G VS1 (with medium fluoro)



compared to the first one i posted, the 3.10 G VS2 (with medium fluoro)



which one looked better? or do I have to worry about the medium fluoro?

Other than the slightly higher than desired crown angle, the new one (3.04) looks very promising to me. I’d say that is definitely worth a look, especially if it’s at a very good price point. It currently scores a 2.5 on the HCA calculator but because GIA rounds so much, there’s definitely potential for it to really be a great performer. In fact, if you subtract just 1/10 of a percentage from each measurement (so it becomes 61.8 depth, 55.9 table, 35.4 CA, and 40.7PA) it then scores a 1.8.

As for the MBF, no, you don’t need to worry about it in general. Only a very small percentage of diamonds show ill effects from it and once you have good photos/video of the diamond we can help you assess that. Many of us have and love fluorescence (myself included). It also ebbs and flows in terms of pricing; at one point people charged more for diamonds with fluorescence. There’s no telling what will happen with future markets so I’d say if you love the diamond, buy it.

 

[BlingDreams]

@skydiamond88 - I did a quick search and found the diamond you're considering. Looks great on video. Nicely defined arrows and lots of life. If you're seriously interested in it, I'd have it sent to you for in-person viewing.

 

[HappyNewLife]

just based on the photos, the 3.04 looks AMAZING

 

[skydiamond88]

@skydiamond88 - I did a quick search and found the diamond you're considering. Looks great on video. Nicely defined arrows and lots of life. If you're seriously interested in it, I'd have it sent to you for in-person viewing.

Thanks @ILikeShiny
which one do you think looks great on video? the 3.04 G VS1?
I'm actually based in South East Asia so I don't think I can view it in person as returning would be a hassle.

 

[SimoneDi]

I have a question - will you keep your existing one and buy a new one in addition or you are looking to still obtain the stone thought your old jeweler and still somehow use the upgrade policy?

 

[skydiamond88]

I have a question - will you keep your existing one and buy a new one in addition or you are looking to still obtain the stone thought your old jeweler and still somehow use the upgrade policy?

@SimoneDi I will definitely trade my current e Ring for the new one. I can do two things:
1. Provide detail of the diamond I'm interested in to my old jeweler and see if they have access to it. So my current diamond would be traded in at full value. The only thing if I use this option and upgrade to those I found online and with fluorescence, I would not be able to trade it in again for future upgrade. At least not with 100% value
But if I decided to go with their super ideal (will need to do custom order, but will cost A LOT more than those diamonds I have posted), I will still be able to do 100% trade in for future upgrades.
2. I can ask the supplier of those diamonds I found online and posted above if they would take my current eRing and at what value. And top up the difference.

 

[BlingDreams]

Thanks @ILikeShiny
which one do you think looks great on video? the 3.04 G VS1?
I'm actually based in South East Asia so I don't think I can view it in person as returning would be a hassle.

Yes, sorry it was unclear. The 3.04 looks to be a great stone for the price in my eyes. Of course you can do a bit better, but at another 10k+ in cost for a slight improvement and it doesn’t sound like you want to go that route (which I totally get).

 

[skydiamond88]

Thanks everyone for the feedback so far. I found a couple more stones so I think I will summarise the options as follows:

1. 3.04 G VS1 with Medium Fluorescence at USD 49k


Concern: HCA Score of 2.5

2. 3.10 F VS2 with Medium Fluorescence at USD 48k

HCA Score of 0.9

3. 3.10 G VS1 with Strong Blue Fluorescence at USD 41k


HCA Score of 1
Is strong blue fluoro still ok? or should I limit to medium fluoro? The seller said he'd suggest a medium than strong blue for a diamond of this size.

4. The final option is a super ideal with no fluorescence but for this option I'd be looking at USD 55k for G SI1 and up to USD 68k for F VS2. The good thing about this option is I will have 100% trade in value for future upgrade which seem to be useful (as I don't know when DSS will kick in). But is it worth the extra $$$?

 

[SimoneDi]

Thanks everyone for the feedback so far. I found a couple more stones so I think I will summarise the options as follows:

1. 3.04 G VS1 with Medium Fluorescence at USD 49k


Concern: HCA Score of 2.5

2. 3.10 F VS2 with Medium Fluorescence at USD 48k

HCA Score of 0.9

3. 3.10 G VS1 with Strong Blue Fluorescence at USD 41k


HCA Score of 1
Is strong blue fluoro still ok? or should I limit to medium fluoro? The seller said he'd suggest a medium than strong blue for a diamond of this size.

4. The final option is a super ideal with no fluorescence but for this option I'd be looking at USD 55k for G SI1 and up to USD 68k for F VS2. The good thing about this option is I will have 100% trade in value for future upgrade which seem to be useful (as I don't know when DSS will kick in). But is it worth the extra $$$?

These are lovely options. I would seriously think if you would consider upgrading again in the future. If you think that it is likely that you might want to upgrade or that having the option would give you a peace of mind, then it might be worth looking into custom cutting. Otherwise, I would go with the F VS2 - you are not likely to see color difference between the F and your current stone, it has a nice high crown that you like and it is the largest of the stones.

 

[icy_jade]

I like the F VS2 and from what I’ve read I’m guessing the whiter stone will work better for you. I also like the fatter arrows and smaller table.

 

[Dancing Fire]

4. The final option is a super ideal with no fluorescence but for this option I'd be looking at USD 55k for G SI1 and up to USD 68k for F VS2. The good thing about this option is I will have 100% trade in value for future upgrade which seem to be useful (as I don't know when DSS will kick in). But is it worth the extra $$$?

IMO, Yes!. who is this super ideal cut dealer?

 

[BlingDreams]

I love both the F/VS2 and G/VS1, with a slight edge to the G/VS1. It just looks a bit crisper to me. Plus the $9,000 price difference is great too! As for SBF at that size, I have a 3ct with SBF and there are no issues. It’s stunning in real life and makes me giddy every time I see it light up There are several threads on fluorescence you can look up to see/read others experiences.

All of that being said, I have a nagging feeling you’d be better off with an upgrade policy. If going that route and the F is more than you want to spend now, you can start with the G and then upgrade to an F when you see the right opportunity come along.

 

[HappyNewLife]

The F/VS2 looks amazing to me (it's also the biggest, mwahahah). interestingly, the dimensions are identical to my 2.937ct superideal diamond (9.30x9.37mm)

I'd prob plunk down the extra $ for a superideal with trade-in policy. Dropping down to an H would save you some $ too

 

[scarsmum]

IMO, Yes!. who is this super ideal cut dealer?

I know who the vendor is and they do tend to have very competitive prices.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I know who the vendor is and they do tend to have very competitive prices.

Who?

 

[scarsmum]

Who?

I’ll tell you right after OP chooses her diamond or moves on! None are on hold.

 

[skydiamond88]

@SimoneDi @icy_jade @ILikeShiny @HappyNewLife

Thanks everyone I totally agree the F VS2 is my top choice as well. Whilst option 3 looks great the SBF seem to be a concern for high color including a G. I think just to be safe and although I can safe $8k more I would cap it at MBF.
Now waiting for the vendor to provide the ASET scope and video. They have not replied to my email hopefully soon.
I am also still considering the option of upgrading to a superideal for future trade in but would want to see the ASET scope and video of the F VS2 first before deciding

 

[skydiamond88]

The F/VS2 looks amazing to me (it's also the biggest, mwahahah). interestingly, the dimensions are identical to my 2.937ct superideal diamond (9.30x9.37mm)

I'd prob plunk down the extra $ for a superideal with trade-in policy. Dropping down to an H would save you some $ too

Wow your 2.937 super ideal is so spready! And its size of just under 3ct must have made it a very good buy. So lucky to score that ring of yours! it is very beautiful.

Yes I think whilst I am exploring more on the F VS2 but on the other hand looking at the my track record where DSS have kicked in only a few months after owning my 2ct, it would be safe to have that super ideal trade in policy in place for future upgrade. The lowest I'd go is G SI1 though I am very sensitive with color I think I would not dare to go to H for a 3ct

 

[skydiamond88]

IMO, Yes!. who is this super ideal cut dealer?

@Dancing Fire it's JannPaul in Singapore. They carry super ideals and just found out that for larger sizes which they don't carry in stock they can do custom cut as well which I am now exploring. I found their prices so far to be quite competitive with the US super ideal vendors but will need to add 7% GST on top of the prices

 

[skydiamond88]

I know who the vendor is and they do tend to have very competitive prices.

Hi @scarsmum Did you find the online vendor for the options I listed above? Because you noticed that those diamonds are not yet put on hold (I am still waiting for them to reply to my email).
I think @Dancing Fire was inquiring about the super ideal vendor though not the vendor for the above listed stones as they are ideal stones that falls within the super ideal criteria whilst not really a super ideal stone.

 

[scarsmum]

Hi @scarsmum Did you find the online vendor for the options I listed above? Because you noticed that those diamonds are not yet put on hold (I am still waiting for them to reply to my email).
I think @Dancing Fire was inquiring about the super ideal vendor though not the vendor for the above listed stones as they are ideal stones that falls within the super ideal criteria whilst not really a super ideal stone.

Oh okay! I was talking about this 3.10 F and the others’ vendor. In my experience OP they’ll have a video but no asets.

 

[scarsmum]

Oh and go to live chat for a quicker response to your request.

 

[skydiamond88]

My super ideal cut jeweler told me that there is no suitable rough or crystal to start with within my desired spec to do custom cut at the moment

And on the other hand the vendor of the 3.1 F VS2 that i'm interested in can't provide any aset or video. The only thing they have is the picture which I showed here as well. I don't feel comfortable purchasing if they can't even show me anything else. Obviously they don't have the diamond with them and can't give their feedback as to whether the MBF has any neg impact or not.

 

[OoohShiny]

AIUI, Fluor only impacts in 2-3% of Strong or Very Strong Blue Fluor stones (IIRC??) so a Medium should be just fine!

As you say, though, not being able to get hold of what you want locally is not useful. Remind me - have you ruled out the US-based SuperIdeal vendors?

 

[icy_jade]

My super ideal cut jeweler told me that there is no suitable rough or crystal to start with within my desired spec to do custom cut at the moment

And on the other hand the vendor of the 3.1 F VS2 that i'm interested in can't provide any aset or video. The only thing they have is the picture which I showed here as well. I don't feel comfortable purchasing if they can't even show me anything else. Obviously they don't have the diamond with them and can't give their feedback as to whether the MBF has any neg impact or not.

Have you tried Canary? How about Facets Diamond? No harm asking imo. If they have the diamond in stock you can see the diamond irl and have PS folks check the angles etc. Do you have an ideal scope that you can bring along?