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so glad i came across this website.
good morning all,
i''m looking for a 3/4ct DVS1 princess cut with GIA certification in the 2000.00 range and was very close to purchasing this stone but then realized i dont know enough about depth/table/girdle. i read the article link from the previous post but didnt quite understand. pls see below and advise. thank you for your patience :D


Shape: Princess
Carat Weight: 0.76
Color: D
Clarity: VS1
Graded By: GIA
Cut Grade: Very Good
Detailed Diamond Information:
Depth: 80.1%
Table: 71%
Girdle: Medium to Thick
Culet: None
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 5.21 x 4.72 x 3.78
Length / Width Ratio: 1.1


also some findings i came across on pricescope
Carat Color Clarity Depth Tbl Lab Gdl Cul Sym Pol Flr Measurements $/Crt Price Source
0.75 D VS2 72.9% 73% EGL - vg vg no 5x4.83x3.52 $2977 $2233*SP
0.75 D VS2 73.5% 72% GIA sl thk-th no vg ex no 4.87*4.87*3.58 $3040 $2280*S
0.75 D VS2 73.5% 72% GIA sl thk- no vg ex no 4.87x4.87x3.58 $3043 $2282*SP
0.76 D VS2 73.7% 73% GIA thk-v thick no vg vg no 4.94*4.83*3.56 $3039 $2310*S
0.76 D VS2 73.7% 73% GIA thk- no vg vg no 4.94x4.83x3.56 $3054 $2321*SP
0.75 D VS2 73.5% 72% GIA stk-tk no vg ex 4.87*4.87*3.58 $3115 $2336
0.75 D VS2 73.5% 72% GIA stk-tk no vg ex no 4.87x4.87x3.58 $3120 $2340SP
0.76 D VS2 72.8% 72% GIA sl thk-th no gd vg ft 4.89*4.86*3.54 $3092 $2350*S
0.76 D VS2 72.8% 72% GIA sl thk- no gd vg ft 4.89x4.86x3.54 $3105 $2360*SP
0.76 D VS2 73.7% 73% GIA tk-vtk no vg vg 4.94*4.83*3.56 $3114 $2367
0.76 D VS2 73.7% 73% GIA tk-vtk no vg vg no 4.94x4.83x3.56 $3120 $2371SP
0.75 D VS2 73.5% 72% GIA stk-tk no vg ex 4.87-4.87x3.58 $3179 $2384*S
i also came across the cutadviser link but didnt have a crown/pavilion angle to complete the info :/
it did say the TABLE IS TOO DEEP
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Hi, joey. Welcome to PS. You are definitely in the right place to get some assistance.

A few things. Princess and other fancy shapes cannot be fully judged by numbers alone. In addition to the basic numbers, high quality photos and ASET images are really needed to judge these. As such, the cut advisor only works with rounds, so you don't need to spend any time with that.

Some initial screening parameters for princess would include

Table 72% to 60%
Crown Height 16% to 8.5%
Total Depth 75% to 64%
Length/Width ratio 1 to 1.05
Girdle Thin to Slightly Thick or Medium to Thick

Looking at the numbers on the first stone, I would most definitely pass on that one. It is overly deep and not close to square (unless there is a typo)

You will not find a well cut colorless 3/4ct VS1 princess for $2000, so you will need to figure out what is most important (size, color, clarity) and adjust the other specs accordingly. If you want 3/4ct size, you will have to drop color. That is OK, a well cut princess will be very white down to G, H or even I color. Otherwise, if you feel you have to have D color, you will be looking at smaller diamonds. Also a VS2 or eye-clean SI1 clarity stone will appear no different to the naked eye as a VS1, but will cost quite a bit less.

Would you like some help finding some well cut stones in your price range?
 
Date: 12/11/2009 12:46:24 PM
Author:joey_dear
so glad i came across this website.
good morning all,
i'm looking for a 3/4ct DVS1 princess cut with GIA certification in the 2000.00 range and was very close to purchasing this stone but then realized i dont know enough about depth/table/girdle. i read the article link from the previous post but didnt quite understand. pls see below and advise. thank you for your patience :D







Shape: Princess
Carat Weight: 0.76
Color: D
Clarity: VS1
Graded By: GIA
Cut Grade: Very Good
Detailed Diamond Information:
Depth: 80.1%
Table: 71%
Girdle: Medium to Thick
Culet: None
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 5.21 x 4.72 x 3.78
Length / Width Ratio: 1.1





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Hi Joey

The HCA won't work for Princess. The diamond is too deep, although depth doesn't always relate to physical spread in fancy shapes the depth is too much in this case so personally I would pass on this diamond. Would you like us to see if we can suggest some diamonds which might suit you? If so I would consider going lower on colour anyway to help the budget, G or H colour can still look very white as can I or J if GIA/ AGS graded and the cut is great. Also you could consider SI clarities if verified eyeclean by a trusted vendor.

Here is a lovely Princess within budget.

http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/Whiteflash-ACA-Princess-cut-diamond-2226894.htm
 
Date: 12/11/2009 12:46:24 PM
Author:joey_dear
so glad i came across this website.
good morning all,
i''m looking for a 3/4ct DVS1 princess cut with GIA certification in the 2000.00 range and was very close to purchasing this stone but then realized i dont know enough about depth/table/girdle. i read the article link from the previous post but didnt quite understand. pls see below and advise. thank you for your patience :D



Shape: Princess
Carat Weight: 0.76
Color: D
Clarity: VS1
Graded By: GIA
Cut Grade: Very Good
Detailed Diamond Information:
Depth: 80.1%
Table: 71%
Girdle: Medium to Thick
Culet: None
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 5.21 x 4.72 x 3.78
Length / Width Ratio: 1.1



also some findings i came across on pricescope
Carat Color Clarity Depth Tbl Lab Gdl Cul Sym Pol Flr Measurements $/Crt Price Source
0.75 D VS2 72.9% 73% EGL - vg vg no 5x4.83x3.52 $2977 $2233*SP
0.75 D VS2 73.5% 72% GIA sl thk-th no vg ex no 4.87*4.87*3.58 $3040 $2280*S
0.75 D VS2 73.5% 72% GIA sl thk- no vg ex no 4.87x4.87x3.58 $3043 $2282*SP
0.76 D VS2 73.7% 73% GIA thk-v thick no vg vg no 4.94*4.83*3.56 $3039 $2310*S
0.76 D VS2 73.7% 73% GIA thk- no vg vg no 4.94x4.83x3.56 $3054 $2321*SP
0.75 D VS2 73.5% 72% GIA stk-tk no vg ex 4.87*4.87*3.58 $3115 $2336
0.75 D VS2 73.5% 72% GIA stk-tk no vg ex no 4.87x4.87x3.58 $3120 $2340SP
0.76 D VS2 72.8% 72% GIA sl thk-th no gd vg ft 4.89*4.86*3.54 $3092 $2350*S
0.76 D VS2 72.8% 72% GIA sl thk- no gd vg ft 4.89x4.86x3.54 $3105 $2360*SP
0.76 D VS2 73.7% 73% GIA tk-vtk no vg vg 4.94*4.83*3.56 $3114 $2367
0.76 D VS2 73.7% 73% GIA tk-vtk no vg vg no 4.94x4.83x3.56 $3120 $2371SP
0.75 D VS2 73.5% 72% GIA stk-tk no vg ex 4.87-4.87x3.58 $3179 $2384*S

i also came across the cutadviser link but didnt have a crown/pavilion angle to complete the info :/
it did say the TABLE IS TOO DEEP
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It think you mean the depth is too deep. You should be looking at depth closer to 65-74. I like those in the 71-74 range. I like tables below 75%. Some of those you posted seem promising. Ask for a SARIN report from the vendor to give you a better idea of the rest of the numbers. YOu can get a guideline here:
http://diamonds.pricescope.com/fnc1.asp
 
YES pls. i''m definitely open to suggestions :D
i''m not stuck on D or VS1. that was jst the starting ground. i did see some an SI 3/4ct at macys and the inclusion was definitely visible hence the VS requirement and since i''m looking for an online deal therefore the GIA requirement.
 
Were the diamonds at Macy's GIA graded? I'm guessing not. Stones graded by second tier labs or in-house by the store many times would receive a very different grade from GIA or AGS. If you are working with a vendor who can confirm eye-clean then you could easily drop clarity a little, as well.

EDT: Here's a a few found with a quick search that may have potential

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS1-Premium-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1261486.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Premium-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1256519.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1251227.asp

James Allen will supply up to three ASET images per customer, so if you like any of these, just call or e-mail and ask. If you post them here, we will be glad to help you evaluate. You might want to wait to see what others come up with, too. EDT2 (The ACA that Lorelei linked would be a stunner)
 
Date: 12/11/2009 1:21:28 PM
Author: jet2ks
Were the diamonds at Macy''s GIA graded? I''m guessing not. Stones graded by second tier labs or in-house by the store many times would receive a very different grade from GIA or AGS. If you are working with a vendor who can confirm eye-clean then you could easily drop clarity a little, as well.
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Ditto. Also take a look at the diamond I linked in my earlier post to see what you think.
 
Date: 12/11/2009 1:21:28 PM
Author: jet2ks
Were the diamonds at Macy''s GIA graded? I''m guessing not. Stones graded by second tier labs or in-house by the store many times would receive a very different grade from GIA or AGS. If you are working with a vendor who can confirm eye-clean then you could easily drop clarity a little, as well.

EDT: Here''s a a few found with a quick search that may have potential

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS1-Premium-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1261486.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Premium-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1256519.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1251227.asp

James Allen will supply up to three ASET images per customer, so if you like any of these, just call or e-mail and ask. If you post them here, we will be glad to help you evaluate. You might want to wait to see what others come up with, too. EDT2 (The ACA that Lorelei linked would be a stunner)
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Jet - whats going on with the upper right corner of this stone? It looks to be a beautiful stone except...
whats the deal with the corner?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1251227.asp
 
the macy''s selection at that location was either uncertified or certified by another lab (but not GIA).
i also came across the jamesallen selection but jst by looking at the photos i cant tell if those are actual dark spots/blemishes or jst camera/film developmt blemish.
also, i looked at lorelei''s rec for the .702 WF link. and couldnt tell how the yellow/blk tid bits would come out.
i called into a local store and was told 2000 would get me 1/2carat with GIA cert. LoL
does anyone have any local contacts in the orange county, ca area?
thank you sooo much for everyone''s helpful response thus far!
 
Date: 12/11/2009 1:37:12 PM
Author: tyty333

Jet - whats going on with the upper right corner of this stone? It looks to be a beautiful stone except...
whats the deal with the corner?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1251227.asp
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That is probably the chip noted in the GIA report. I actually missed it on first viewing, as I don''t usually use the virtual loupe, so the corner was kind of hidden--nice catch tyty! It could still be a good stone depending on how it was being set--like the corners being completely covered or bezeled.
 
Date: 12/11/2009 1:47:55 PM
Author: joey_dear
the macy's selection at that location was either uncertified or certified by another lab (but not GIA).
i also came across the jamesallen selection but jst by looking at the photos i cant tell if those are actual dark spots/blemishes or jst camera/film developmt blemish. Depends on what "blemishes" you are referring to in which photos. Photos for some of the diamonds show some black inclusions, whether or not they are visible in life size viewing you would have to ask the people at James Allen.
also, i looked at lorelei's rec for the .702 WF link. and couldnt tell how the yellow/blk tid bits would come out. The yellow is reflection of something in the room, either on the walls or possibly something the photographer is wearing. The black bits are obstructed facets. Don't be scared, the term sounds bad, but simply refers to facets where something is blocking the light from getting to them, in this case the black camera, hence them appearing black. When the diamond is tilted slightly in a different way, the obstructed facets now reflect light, while others go dark. This causes the pattern of scintillation and sparkles diamonds are noted for. A well cut stone will have a uniform distribution of obstructed facets in a photo. This particular stone is beautifully cut.
i called into a local store and was told 2000 would get me 1/2carat with GIA cert. LoL
does anyone have any local contacts in the orange county, ca area?
thank you sooo much for everyone's helpful response thus far!
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thank you jet and everyone''s response. i''m going out this afternoon to look at what the local vendors have to offer.
i didnt think those pictures were too reliable. but will definitely save that link for when i come back empty-handed from the stores!
 
You can call the online vendors and ask them to look at the diamonds and tell you if they are "eye clean", meaning you cannot see inclusions with the naked eye. With GIA or AGS, VS2 is perfectly safe 99.9% of the time for inclusions being invisible to the naked eye.
 
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