ID Jewelry - Diamond without Certificate?

[diptyque_baies]

Hi Pricescopers!

I was perusing ID Jewelry's website, as I saw it referenced a few times here as a Pricescope preferred vendor, and I came across this "NONE Certificate" 2 ct round: https://idjewelry.com/round-idd00759.html

I've have yet to see a preferred vendor from here sell a diamond without a certificate. It's clear that there's a significant price cut on it. Is that due to the fact that there is no certificate? What kinds of risks would someone be taking on if they decided to buy it? Could a potential buyer submit it to GIA themselves and have it graded? I just haven't seen this before and since I've heard the vendor is reliable and recommended I wanted to know why they would try and sell one without a certificate.

Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge!

 

[rockysalamander]

If you like this diamond (I can't get anything to show) and it ticks all you boxes, agree to a price contingent on it being sent to GIA and coming back with the same specs. If GIA agrees with the advert, you pay for the cert. If it is higher, you get the bump and pay for the cert. If it comes lower, then they pay for the cert. and you can get a full refund or re-negotiate the price.

 

[YoLaL]

hmmm may be they will provide the cert if you will ask for it.

 

[Lorelei]

Hi Pricescopers!

I was perusing ID Jewelry's website, as I saw it referenced a few times here as a Pricescope preferred vendor, and I came across this "NONE Certificate" 2 ct round: https://idjewelry.com/round-idd00759.html

I've have yet to see a preferred vendor from here sell a diamond without a certificate. It's clear that there's a significant price cut on it. Is that due to the fact that there is no certificate? What kinds of risks would someone be taking on if they decided to buy it? Could a potential buyer submit it to GIA themselves and have it graded? I just haven't seen this before and since I've heard the vendor is reliable and recommended I wanted to know why they would try and sell one without a certificate.

Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge!

Hi diptyque,

It's possible this diamond does have a GIA report and they haven't uploaded it yet as YoLal mentions, give them a call and ask.

 

[flyingpig]

This topic has been discussed before. Nearly all vendors offer stones with no grade report. Such stone is probably NOT what IDJ (or other PS vendors) would recommend to you. But, it is there if you are really tight on your budget and don't care about grade report. Selling a diamond without grade report does not make a vendor less reliable, as long as the vendor fully discloses, which IDJ did here.
"It comes with a NONE Certificate, verifying this Diamond color, clarity, carat weight and cut."

You can request IDJ to have it sent to GIA for grading, but they will probably say it is to be sold "AS IS"
You can buy the stone and send it to GIA for yourself. If you are not happy, ensure you return within the return period.

What are the risks??
The stone may not be G VS1.
It may be less than 2.0c
It may be clarity enhanced.
It may be treated or irradiated.
It may have durability issues.
It may be very poorly cut
or all of the above

My recommendation is don't bother with this stone. A half decent 2.0x G VS1 costs at least 20k. 11k??? no way. That's 2.0c J or K color territory.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Yep, as flyingpig said, I am sure PSers are only a small percentage of their customers. Retail jewelers have to offer something for everyone. Not all the stones they list are in house. They usually have to call in stones for PSers because they likely don't have a lot of ideal cut stones on hand.

Jewelers like WF specialize in top cut stones which is totally different. James Allen is different because they list all qualities of stones (most not in house) and you have to search through to find good ones. Most brick and mortar stores have stones to meet the needs of a broad customer base and just call in the stones they don't have.

 

[diptyque_baies]

Thank you very much for your replies and apologies for the repeat question!

 

[diptyque_baies]

As an update, I reached out to IDJ and they were able to produce an EGL certificate. They were very quick to respond and very helpful.

From my reading on here, I understand that EGL certificates are not to be relied upon and I would be better off paying a fair price for a GIA graded stone. I will not be moving forward with the stone but did want to note that IDJ's customer service was wonderful.

 

[Queenie60]

As an update, I reached out to IDJ and they were able to produce an EGL certificate. They were very quick to respond and very helpful.

From my reading on here, I understand that EGL certificates are not to be relied upon and I would be better off paying a fair price for a GIA graded stone. I will not be moving forward with the stone but did want to note that IDJ's customer service was wonderful.

Good decision. There are many stones out there for the picking. Continue looking until you find that special one! Good luck to you.

 

[ringo865]

You could tell IDJewelry that you're on pricescope and your budget and your desired specs. They know what we like. They can image stones to be posted here.

 

[Lorelei]

As an update, I reached out to IDJ and they were able to produce an EGL certificate. They were very quick to respond and very helpful.

From my reading on here, I understand that EGL certificates are not to be relied upon and I would be better off paying a fair price for a GIA graded stone. I will not be moving forward with the stone but did want to note that IDJ's customer service was wonderful.

That's good to know and I had a feeling a report would be there for this diamond for some reason but yes, GIA or AGS are considered to be stricter on grading than EGL. Personally, I'd keep looking for AGS or GIA graded diamonds.