I want purchase a fancy diamond

[tivip]

I saw this diamond online and interested in purchase. they are selling for 10,000 and I''m not sure if this is right price

Grading Lab: GIA
Measurement: 7.03 - 6.93 x 4.75
Carat weight: 2.02
Color: Fancy Yellow
Clarity: VS2
L/W Ratio: 1.01
Depth%: 68.5%
Table%: 76%
Symmetry: Good
Polish: Very Good
Girdle:
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Medium


I would appreciated if you could tell me that this is a good price to buy.

Thanks

Tivip

 

[shminbabe]

Did I miss where you indicated the stone''s shape?

Anyway, I''m not one for giving out any advice or recommendations. But you might want to tell us what sort of fancy shape you are considering.

jeannie

 

[pyramid]

tivip is meaning fancy diamond as in the fancy colors.

I am not sure that many here know about the fancy color prices although some may have them and some of the experts would know. Maybe doing a Search on 'Fancy Yellow' diamonds would bring something up?


In this link Wink is saying each has to be looked at separately

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/fancy-deep-yellow-diamonds.57223/

 

[boston_jeff]

I''m guessing it''s a radiant based on the measurements and the fact that it is a common shape for a fancy yellow.

 

[init4thecake]

I''m no expert but I would hold out for a better cut. The best cut possible is going to get you the most from your diamond and more for your money. As far as price, I know NOTHING about colored diamonds but felt the need to chime in when I saw the cut specs.

 

[Lorelei]

Firstly I would ask for a pic of this Radiant, many online vendors would be happy to send you one, it gives you an idea of how it may look.

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/10/2007 3:46:13 AM
Author: Lorelei
Firstly I would ask for a pic of this Radiant, many online vendors would be happy to send you one, it gives you an idea of how it may look.

Just an idea!!!
Fancy colored Diamonds usually look different in real life vs. their images!!!

Needs to be seen and compared with own eyes! A MUST!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/10/2007 4:00:22 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 3:46:13 AM
Author: Lorelei
Firstly I would ask for a pic of this Radiant, many online vendors would be happy to send you one, it gives you an idea of how it may look.

Just an idea!!!
Fancy colored Diamonds usually look different in real life vs. their images!!!

Needs to be seen and compared with own eyes! A MUST!

I see your point, but as this is with an online vendor a picture would give him some idea of how it may look with the shape and type of Radiant. Then he will have some idea of whether to proceed or not as he can't choose in real life in the first instance and hopefully get a feel for the colour with a picture, along with a competent vendor's description. I do realize that fancy colours are tricky to analyze and that there are a lot of things which can contribute to pricing, desirability etc.

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/10/2007 4:06:28 AM
Author: Lorelei
I see your point, but as this is with an online vendor a picture would give him some idea of how it may look with the shape and type of Radiant. Then he will have some idea of whether to proceed or not as he can''t choose in real life in the first instance and hopefully get a feel for the colour with a picture, along with a competent vendor''s description. I do realize that fancy colours are tricky to analyze and that there are a lot of things which can contribute to pricing, desirability etc.

From my experience..., the colours of images vs. actual stones (in fancy colored Diamonds) are 95% off!!!
As in regards to the ''look'' of the shape and faceting arrangement..., yes, you could get an idea.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/10/2007 5:47:38 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 4:06:28 AM
Author: Lorelei
I see your point, but as this is with an online vendor a picture would give him some idea of how it may look with the shape and type of Radiant. Then he will have some idea of whether to proceed or not as he can''t choose in real life in the first instance and hopefully get a feel for the colour with a picture, along with a competent vendor''s description. I do realize that fancy colours are tricky to analyze and that there are a lot of things which can contribute to pricing, desirability etc.

From my experience..., the colours of images vs. actual stones (in fancy colored Diamonds) are 95% off!!!
As in regards to the ''look'' of the shape and faceting arrangement..., yes, you could get an idea.

That is well for consumers to know from an expert, so useful info - thanks DG!

 

[diagem]

I just read an article titled: "Blue Nile enters fancy colored Diamond market"

interesting....

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/10/2007 6:01:11 AM
Author: DiaGem
I just read an article titled: ''Blue Nile enters fancy colored Diamond market''

interesting....

Very, any link to the article or was it in a trade mag?

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/10/2007 7:03:37 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/10/2007 6:01:11 AM
Author: DiaGem
I just read an article titled: ''Blue Nile enters fancy colored Diamond market''

interesting....

Very, any link to the article or was it in a trade mag?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/10/2007 7:38:32 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 7:03:37 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/10/2007 6:01:11 AM
Author: DiaGem
I just read an article titled: ''Blue Nile enters fancy colored Diamond market''

interesting....

Very, any link to the article or was it in a trade mag?

ok!

 

[tivip]

OOp....this is a Radiant Yellow diamonds ...

Thank you for all your advices...I''m requesting the vendor for pictures. I will post the picture as soon as I got it.

 

[junior35]

Date: 7/10/2007 1:27:41 AM
Author: init4thecake
I''m no expert but I would hold out for a better cut. The best cut possible is going to get you the most from your diamond and more for your money. As far as price, I know NOTHING about colored diamonds but felt the need to chime in when I saw the cut specs.

Actually, in the case of fancy colors, the prime objective for the polisher is to bring out the maximum depth of color possible. This often means that one has to stray from acceptable cut measurements e.g. deeper pavillions,thicker girdles etc. There are in reality very few true expert fancy color polishers in the world relative to the hundreds of thousands of polishers.It really is an art in this case.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/10/2007 9:46:35 AM
Author: junior35

Date: 7/10/2007 1:27:41 AM
Author: init4thecake
I'm no expert but I would hold out for a better cut. The best cut possible is going to get you the most from your diamond and more for your money. As far as price, I know NOTHING about colored diamonds but felt the need to chime in when I saw the cut specs.

Actually, in the case of fancy colors, the prime objective for the polisher is to bring out the maximum depth of color possible. This often means that one has to stray from acceptable cut measurements e.g. deeper pavillions,thicker girdles etc. There are in reality very few true expert fancy color polishers in the world relative to the hundreds of thousands of polishers.It really is an art in this case.

Excellent points. Also init many fancy coloured diamonds are cut into Radiant shapes for the precise reason that they do show colour well compared to other shapes.

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/10/2007 9:46:35 AM
Author: junior35

Date: 7/10/2007 1:27:41 AM
Author: init4thecake
I''m no expert but I would hold out for a better cut. The best cut possible is going to get you the most from your diamond and more for your money. As far as price, I know NOTHING about colored diamonds but felt the need to chime in when I saw the cut specs.

Actually, in the case of fancy colors, the prime objective for the polisher is to bring out the maximum depth of color possible. This often means that one has to stray from acceptable cut measurements e.g. deeper pavillions,thicker girdles etc. There are in reality very few true expert fancy color polishers in the world relative to the hundreds of thousands of polishers.It really is an art in this case.

True..., but when you find a fancy colored Diamond (with maximum depth of color) cut to acceptable (colorless) cuts..., you are in a different league all together.
And these babys command hefty premiums..., sometimes doubling and tripling in value!!!

 

[CaptAubrey]

One other point to add: Color grades for colorless diamonds are points along a linear scale; grades for fancy colors are regions of three-dimensional color space. That means that "fancy yellow" encompasses a fairly wide range of appearances, definitely wider than a single D-Z grade. Add to that the fact that color appearances in a photograph can differ based on the skill of the photographer and the conditions under which the photo is taken, plus differences between his computer and yours... the bottom line is that an email photo isn''t going to give you a good enough idea of what this stone looks like. FY diamonds can be on the "warm" side (golden) or the "cool" side (greenish) and still be FY, but the appearances are noticeably different, and may not be what you were expecting.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/10/2007 1:05:23 PM
Author: CaptAubrey
One other point to add: Color grades for colorless diamonds are points along a linear scale; grades for fancy colors are regions of three-dimensional color space. That means that 'fancy yellow' encompasses a fairly wide range of appearances, definitely wider than a single D-Z grade. Add to that the fact that color appearances in a photograph can differ based on the skill of the photographer and the conditions under which the photo is taken, plus differences between his computer and yours... the bottom line is that an email photo isn't going to give you a good enough idea of what this stone looks like. FY diamonds can be on the 'warm' side (golden) or the 'cool' side (greenish) and still be FY, but the appearances are noticeably different, and may not be what you were expecting.

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

 

[CaptAubrey]

Date: 7/10/2007 1:07:46 PM
Author: Lorelei

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

Perhaps--but my concern is that he make like it based on the photo, only to receive something different when it arrives.

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/10/2007 2:28:59 PM
Author: CaptAubrey

Date: 7/10/2007 1:07:46 PM
Author: Lorelei

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

Perhaps--but my concern is that he make like it based on the photo, only to receive something different when it arrives.

No doubt about that!!!!

There are 20+/- shades on the colorless grading chart...
I am guessing there are thousands ++ shades/hues in colored Diamonds...

A snap-shot will not give an idea.... on its true color!

 

[Lorelei]

Ok - I meant that the picture might give him an idea of the faceting arrangement and the shape of the diamond NOT the colour and might be useful on that basis!!!

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/10/2007 1:07:46 PM
Author: Lorelei

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

Lorelei, the first most important factor is colour....,
The first thing that will make or brake the deal is colour...,

My opinion: If the colour isnt it..., the rest does not matter anymore...

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/10/2007 3:23:36 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 1:07:46 PM
Author: Lorelei

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

Lorelei, the first most important factor is colour....,
The first thing that will make or brake the deal is colour...,

My opinion: If the colour isnt it..., the rest does not matter anymore...

Point taken.

 

[yellowsparkles]

Date: 7/10/2007 3:25:18 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/10/2007 3:23:36 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 1:07:46 PM
Author: Lorelei

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

Lorelei, the first most important factor is colour....,
The first thing that will make or brake the deal is colour...,

My opinion: If the colour isnt it..., the rest does not matter anymore...

Point taken.

I understand the variances of color. But just judging from the specs given - can you get a 2 carat stone for $10,000? If its GIA certified as Fancy Yellow and its 2 carats.... doesn''t $10,000 sound off?

Just wondering?

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/10/2007 5:11:09 PM
Author: yellowsparkles

Date: 7/10/2007 3:25:18 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/10/2007 3:23:36 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/10/2007 1:07:46 PM
Author: Lorelei

But it will give him a general idea of how the Radiant looks for shape and cut personality and therefore could be worthwhile. We know that Radiants can look very different with small variances in cut, he could take one look at this diamond ( regardless of colour) and think yuck for how it appears regardless of the colour.

Lorelei, the first most important factor is colour....,
The first thing that will make or brake the deal is colour...,

My opinion: If the colour isnt it..., the rest does not matter anymore...

Point taken.

I understand the variances of color. But just judging from the specs given - can you get a 2 carat stone for $10,000? If its GIA certified as Fancy Yellow and its 2 carats.... doesn't $10,000 sound off?

Just wondering?

Can you get a two carat cape stone for 10K?

 

[JohnQuixote]

Date: 7/10/2007 1:05:23 PM
Author: CaptAubrey
One other point to add: Color grades for colorless diamonds are points along a linear scale; grades for fancy colors are regions of three-dimensional color space. That means that ''fancy yellow'' encompasses a fairly wide range of appearances, definitely wider than a single D-Z grade. Add to that the fact that color appearances in a photograph can differ based on the skill of the photographer and the conditions under which the photo is taken, plus differences between his computer and yours... the bottom line is that an email photo isn''t going to give you a good enough idea of what this stone looks like. FY diamonds can be on the ''warm'' side (golden) or the ''cool'' side (greenish) and still be FY, but the appearances are noticeably different, and may not be what you were expecting.

Very nicely explained Cap''n.

 

[JohnQuixote]

Date: 7/10/2007 6:44:44 PM
Author: DiaGem

Can you get a two carat cape stone for 10K?

Top cape VS rounds at or near that right now. Cape (M/VS) for less. Darker colors are les expensive, but a GIA 2ct Fancy Yellow round can be upwards of $20K.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 7/10/2007 10:03:21 AM
Author: DiaGem
True..., but when you find a fancy colored Diamond (with maximum depth of color) cut to acceptable (colorless) cuts..., you are in a different league all together.
And these babys command hefty premiums..., sometimes doubling and tripling in value!!!

IF I were to go to a fancy color (though unless it was somewhat orangeish I''d probably go no lower than r/s/t) I would definitely want it cut for dispersion still and not color retention. To *me* a diamond''s fire and scint are really amazing and the diamond should always be cut for that... if I just wanted a saturated yellow stone I would get a yellow sapphire.