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I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your help!

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Sbenoit

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Hi everyone, long time reader, first time poster!

I was hoping to get an opinion or two on this diamond:
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2945671.htm#

To me it looks like the HCA number is great, inclusions do not seem overly noticeable (eye clean) and the price fits right in to what I'm looking at.

The only thing I'm curious about is WF rated it at 4.5 stars (where a lot are 5 stars on the site) and I dont really know how to read the Ideal Scope.

I would really appreciate it if someone could give me an honest assessment of this diamond.

The stats are exactly what I'm looking for but could go to an SI1 if I could hide the inclusion under a prong or its an eye clean SI1.

Merci
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

It's 4.5 because it's an expert selection, not an ACA--the proportions aren't exactly to the brand standard. Hence, the good value.
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

Its expert selection usually because the hearts aren't perfect.
What else are you looking at?
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

That original stone you picked is marked H&A on the girdle...but unfortunately dont have a H&A image to back it up.
Expert selections are usually very good values and only miss ACA by something small. You could ask the gemologist
why it missed ACA.
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

You might put it on reserve so it doesn't get snapped up.
 
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So apparently the H&A inscription was from another party but this particular diamond didnt meet WF's requirments for H&A symmetry. They sent me a picture which is attached.

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Pretty good. I can think of at least one PS vendor that I believe would call that H&A, although technically it misses the mark in my view.
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

Shocking someone would put H&A on that.
 
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The person I talked to at WF said I most likely wouldnt see a difference between this diamond and an, ACA diamond and may not be worth going to an I color or SI1 to stay at the same price if I'm not worried about a statistically perfect cut.

What do you guys think? For the price is this a good buy? Or would you move to an I or SI1 and get ACA?
 
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Those hearts are definitely off - certainly not ACA-worthy. But the IS and ASET are nice and you won't see the hearts once it is set anyway - it's going to be a mind-clean issue at that point. The arrows are nice and they will be what you will see. I'll bet it's a beautiful stone that only someone with a very trained eye could see the difference between it and a perfect H&A. Stick with the H color - if you can - color is also something you WILL see.
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

No I agree with you guys now on the hearts, I was focusing on the clefts and missed the fact that one heart is substantially smaller than the others. Anyway, as others have said it can still be a lovely diamond!
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

One last cry for sage advice. I like this setting:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/novela-platinum-5517p
http://blog.brianthecutter.com/2010/07/05/brian-gavin%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cpatientia%E2%80%9D-solitaire-engagement-ring-gains-popularity%E2%80%A6/

Mainly because it seems like the 4 prong version of the Tiffany setting. Especially that the prongs protrude less than most 4 prong settings out there.

Anyone know of similar settings I should check out? WF has a couple but the shank is either flat or closer to 3mm wide.

Thank you!
 
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Sbenoit|1371701753|3469122 said:
Hi everyone, long time reader, first time poster!

I was hoping to get an opinion or two on this diamond:
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2945671.htm#

To me it looks like the HCA number is great, inclusions do not seem overly noticeable (eye clean) and the price fits right in to what I'm looking at.

The only thing I'm curious about is WF rated it at 4.5 stars (where a lot are 5 stars on the site) and I dont really know how to read the Ideal Scope.

I would really appreciate it if someone could give me an honest assessment of this diamond.

The stats are exactly what I'm looking for but could go to an SI1 if I could hide the inclusion under a prong or its an eye clean SI1.

Merci
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It is about $2k more for the ACA.
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2661544.htm
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

You can get that setting from BGD. WF and BGD are in the same building.
 
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Dancing Fire|1371779037|3469726 said:
Sbenoit|1371701753|3469122 said:
Hi everyone, long time reader, first time poster!

I was hoping to get an opinion or two on this diamond:
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2945671.htm#

To me it looks like the HCA number is great, inclusions do not seem overly noticeable (eye clean) and the price fits right in to what I'm looking at.

The only thing I'm curious about is WF rated it at 4.5 stars (where a lot are 5 stars on the site) and I dont really know how to read the Ideal Scope.

I would really appreciate it if someone could give me an honest assessment of this diamond.

The stats are exactly what I'm looking for but could go to an SI1 if I could hide the inclusion under a prong or its an eye clean SI1.

Merci
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It is about $2k more for the ACA.
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2661544.htm
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I'd like to keep the whole ring under or at 15K. For me I'm not sure if a 15% premium is worth it.

JulieN|1371779137|3469728 said:
You can get that setting from BGD. WF and BGD are in the same building.
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Whoa! didn't know that. Who should I get it set by? BGD or WF?
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

I'm not sure who would do it, but it should be relatively hassle-free since you do not have to worry about shipping. Email your customer service rep and BGD about it.
 
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Any more thought/comments before I pull the trigger?
 
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One question about the ASET images. The stone I linked has green in the middle, Of the Aset images I've seen some are red and some are green. I assume red is more favorable? Could someone shed some light on what I'm seeing?

Thank you.
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

Red or green table reflection doesn't make a difference if everything else is in shape.
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

Sbenoit|1371924377|3470514 said:
One question about the ASET images. The stone I linked has green in the middle, Of the Aset images I've seen some are red and some are green. I assume red is more favorable? Could someone shed some light on what I'm seeing?

Thank you.
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Whether the table reflection is red or green depends on how well the picture was taken. In theory, anything that returns green is at around 70-90 degrees. The table facet is a relatively large facet and therefore whether it is red or green depends on where the light source is as well as how strong the light source is. If the light source is at a point where the table facet will return green, then the table reflection will be green. If the light source is too bright or if the diamond is not aligned correctly with the ASET, then it is likely that the table reflection will be red. In my opinion, others are free to comment, I would expect a green center in a well taken photograph.
 
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mlolle|1371940596|3470650 said:
A green circle in the middle of the table in ASET is table reflection and it is observed when the pavilion angles are less than 40.7. Many fine makes including ACA can have pavilion angles at ~40.75 or less. https://www.pricescope.com/communit...ormance-map-question-area-above-culet.148354/
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The first ACA that I tried to look up shows a 40.9 pavilion angle with a green table reflection on the ASET, I have two pictures of my own diamond one that has a red table reflection and one that has a green table reflection, both of the same stone.

Wow excellent thread though, thanks for pointing it out!
 
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Quoting from John Quixote from an older thread:

"Some of us have come up with wizardry to take photos through the hand held ASET, but it's not suited for that, so we're seeing a lot of variation in imagery and distrubution of colors, depending on diamond placement (which is peculiar to each photographer's method). The desktop unit should provide a unified placement platform."

It seems like IF the ASET in question is the one on the AGS platinum light performance report, then you can apply the 'diamonds on the ledge' concept. Otherwise, photography also affects it just as much.
 
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mlolle|1371942657|3470679 said:
prosumerdiamonds2 said:
Quoting from John Quixote from an older thread:

"Some of us have come up with wizardry to take photos through the hand held ASET, but it's not suited for that, so we're seeing a lot of variation in imagery and distrubution of colors, depending on diamond placement (which is peculiar to each photographer's method). The desktop unit should provide a unified placement platform."

It seems like IF the ASET in question is the one on the AGS platinum light performance report, then you can apply the 'diamonds on the ledge' concept. Otherwise, photography also affects it just as much.
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A generated image based on a sarin scan is only as good as the scan data.
I don't trust the colors on the AGSL reports especially when it comes to to borderline Green/Red and Red/Blue a scan error of +/- 0.15 degree would be normal for those non contact devices. The systematic error could be as much as 0.3 degrees.

Photographed images with good consistent setups are much more accurate.
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That I can agree with!

I presume Whiteflash has a pretty good set up, can you help explain the 40.9PA green table reflection I noticed?
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

Let's be a little anal on this subject. What defines a "good setup" of an ASET machine? Would be interesting to hear comments from vendors and other forum-ers on this. Unlike machines by Sarin where they state their working limits, how do you know that one setup is better than another?
 
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Wow that prosumer guy has been banned twice since I started this thread....

Also thanks for clearing up the green center in the Aset images!
 
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I've attached the rendering of the setting WF sent over. Its the Broadway setting with some slight modifications.

I'm going for a 4 prong tiffany setting style, trying to keep it as delicate looking as possible. It goes right with my GF's style, simple and classic.

Any comments/suggestions? I understand it will look less "bulky" when its done.

Also theres a gap between the head and the shank, do you think that can be closed up?

sbenoit.png
 
Re: I think I narrowed it down to THE stone but need your he

The gap you see at the bottom of the prong in picture #2? That is part of the Tiffany look.
 
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