I need a expert opinion

[rdclutch]

I am looking at the EGL report for this stone and want to know from cutters out there about the quality of the stone based on its measurements. In person the stone looks nice to me and but to be they all look the same within a range after awhile. How you grade this stone:

5.63x5.61x4-01
Depth-71.5%
Table-82%
Crown Height-8%
Pavilion Depth-60%
Girdle-Med, polished
VS2 E
No fluorscence
Sym and Polish both are VG

My question is the table seems rather high to me from what I've researched.

Thanks-

 

[Magnum]

What shape is the stone? It looks like it's definitely a fancy cut, maybe princess? I'm not a cutter, but you can get somewhat of an idea on the quality of the cut of the stone by going to www.gemappraisers.com and plugging the numbers you have into their cut grading chart. Hope that helps.

 

[rdclutch]

Thanks. Its a princess cut. I appreciate your response. I plugged in my numbers and the AGA indicates that the diamond is an overall 2B rating. I posted my similar question on another site and the advice I recieved was that the cut was so poor that they would not suggest that I buy it at any price. This concerns me.I was quoted 4800 for the diamond, it looks nice to me, the diamond falls under 1A-2A for all the spec except the table %.

What effect does a larger table % have on this diamond? And is that fair price? Thanks again for your time. -RDC

 

[Magnum]

Admittedly, I'm not an expert on princess cut stones, so I can only echo what I've heard from other people. You're right, the table is rather large, but that may not be a deal breaker. A grade of 2B by the AGA chart suggests the stone does have potential to be a good stone. It's very difficult to judge a fancy cut stone just by the numbers, because sometimes there's a stone with some non-standard numbers that turns out to be very beautiful and other times there are stones that can have all the right numbers, but turn out to be duds. Seeing the stone in person definitely helps a lot, but if you don't have any other really good stones to compare it to, it might be hard to get a good idea of the quality of the cut. Are you able to get an idealscope picture? that might help determine the quality of the cut. If you really like the stone, it might pay to take it to an independent appraiser and have them give you some advice, since they should have a lot of experience looking at stones and can give you a more accurate evaluation of how well cut your stone is. best of luck in your search.

 

[Rhino]

Please hold it a little closer to the screen so I can get a better look at it.

 

[RockDoc]

When in doubt......DON'T


Keep looking and consider having someone who an help you properly and accuratly to assist you with your purchase.


Bill Rockdoc

 

[Rhino]

Sorry ... couldn't resist.

I've always wanted to say that.

The numbers on this stone just plain stink not even considering the fact that it's also an EGL stone which means it may not even be the clarity/color it's advertised at. The chances are it will be a watery looking diamond with little life to it.

 

[Rhino]

wazzup RockDaddy! Hope you're feelin better these days!

 

[Lynn B]

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On 5/18/2004 6:00:12 PM Magnum wrote:

What shape is the stone? It looks like it's definitely a fancy cut, maybe princess? I'm not a cutter, but you can get somewhat of an idea on the quality of the cut of the stone by going to www.gemappraisers.com and plugging the numbers you have into their cut grading chart. Hope that helps.----------------

Magnum,

Thanks for mentioning that website, I didn't know about that. Another good "tool" to use in this (relentless!) quest for a little bit of perfection!

A question, though... they want the following info:
Dimensions (L) X (W) X (D)
What would that be in a round stone?! I put in 8.04 x 8.08 x 4.91 (which is what the diamond's info said under "measurements") and the program gave me an error message saying something like my dimension #s couldn't be right. So I reversed them (8.08 x 8.04) and it seemed to work.

What is THAT all about?!!!

BTW, that particular diamond got an overall "1B" grade. How important is it to try to get a 1A?

Thanks so much,
Lynn

 

[RockDoc]

Hi Jon

Thanks for the note of encouragement..


Feeling a little better, but still have some " rough edges".



Hope things are going well for you....

Bill/ Rockdoc

 

[Magnum]

Well, rdclutch, there are a couple of experts' opinions. As a non-expert, I try not to tell people difinitively what's good and what isn't. I just try to help share what I've learned and let them make their own decision on whether or not it's worth it to shell out the cash. A lot about buying a diamond is personal preference, and some people don't need to have the best cut diamond, if they can save a little money or get a little bigger stone. Personally, i wouldn't sacrifice on cut, but that's just my opinion. Whether or not the stone is what you're looking for is ultimately up to you. if it were me, I would do as RocDoc suggested and keep looking. there are other stones out there, and i would start my search with some of the vendors here that have gotten good reviews and then have the one or two stones I've narrowed it down to shipped to an independent appraiser to verify that I was making a good purchase.

lynn B,
No prob. Glad i could help. As far as the diameter measurements, apparently when you enter them in, you have to enter the larger diameter first. That's just the way the software was written. As far as how to use the chart, personally I would use it the same way as the HCA, as a sorting/rejection tool. there are so many diamonds to look at, that it would take too much time and money to consider them all or send them all to an independent appraiser. By narrowing your search to stones that get at least a 1B cut on the AGA or below a 2.0 on the HCA, it allows you to focus your efforts on a few stones that have the potential to be amazing. Then you can scrutinize which is the best of the stones that have made the first cut with tools such as an idealscope, H&A viewer, brilliancescope, ISEE2 machine, and then ultimately an independent appraiser. I wouldn't buy a stone, though, just because it scored a 1A on the AGA or just because it scored below a 2.0 on the HCA. These two tools do not take all the information into account, so there's a small chance there may be other factors that negatively impact the optical performance of the diamond. I think they are accurate enough to be used as a very good initial sorting tool, though. As far as your specific question, I personally would limit my search (rounds specifically) to stones that score 1A or 1B, but that's just me.