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I Love Boobies - The controversy

Misandry is not a name.
It is a verb.
 
kenny said:
Misandry is not a name.
It is a verb.

Actually, it's a noun.
 
Also I do not link certain kinds of respect with gender.

We're equal now.
 
kenny said:
Also I do not link certain kinds of respect with gender.

We're equal now.

First of all, you mean, "sex". "Gender" applies only to grammar.

Second, in your opinion, we are all equal now. You don't speak for everyone, you know.

AGBF
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Next, I really don't care if you respect me or not.
Kindly don't threaten me with "loss of respect as a man." Whatever!

Perhaps we could stick to the issue instead of about Kenny's manhood.
How Victorian that is. :roll:

This often happens when someone feels perceives they are losing and argument.
They stop talking about the subject and start making their "opponent" smaller.

We don't have to agree AGBF.
There really is no argument to win or loose.
Your opinion and mine are equal.
We are both free to express them, but how bout we make a deal ... I won't attack your character, or suggest you are "loosing respect as a woman".
Kindly return the favor.
 
AGBF said:
kenny said:
Also I do not link certain kinds of respect with gender.

We're equal now.

First of all, you mean, "sex". "Gender" applies only to grammar.

Second, in your opinion, we are all equal now. You don't speak for everyone, you know.

AGBF
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Another thing some people do when they perceive they are loosing an argument is they start looking for spelling and grammar errors. - as if that has anything to do with the subject being discussed, or wins them points. :roll:

Tearing down the "opponent".

How bout we talk about the subject instead of each other.
 
AGBF said:
kenny said:
Also I do not link certain kinds of respect with gender.
We're equal now.
Second, in your opinion, we are all equal now. You don't speak for everyone, you know.
AGBF
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Who said I did?
I think you may be projecting.
 
kenny said:
Next, I really don't care if you respect me or not.
Kindly don't threaten me with "loss of respect as a man." Whatever!

Perhaps we could stick to the issue instead of about Kenny's manhood.
How Victorian that is. :roll:

This often happens when someone feels perceives they are losing and argument.
They stop talking about the subject and start making their "opponent" smaller.

We don't have to agree AGBF.
There really is no argument to win or loose.
Your opinion and mine are equal.
We are both free to express them, but how bout we make a deal ... I won't attack your character, or suggest you are "loosing respect as a woman".
Kindly return the favor.

Why is it that you can say that I hate men (that's what accusing me of misandry was) but you can't take it when I accuse you of being a child rather than a man? I say, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!

AGBF
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kenny said:
Next, I really don't care if you respect me or not.
Kindly don't threaten me with "loss of respect as a man." Whatever!

Perhaps we could stick to the issue instead of about Kenny's manhood.
How Victorian that is. :roll:

This often happens when someone feels perceives they are losing and argument.They stop talking about the subject and start making their "opponent" smaller.

We don't have to agree AGBF.
There really is no argument to win or loose.
Your opinion and mine are equal.
We are both free to express them, but how bout we make a deal ... I won't attack your character, or suggest you are "loosing respect as a woman".
Kindly return the favor.

Perhaps. Only this time it happened when the person who made the comment about your childishness was not losing any debating points at all!

AGBF
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Hey Deb we finally agree on something....
no not picking on Kenny...

That the bracelet idea is idiotic, counterproductive and demeaning.
Not to mention lacking in class and respect.
Maybe I'm just old but I would expect better from a group raising funds for vital research.
 
Karl_K said:
no not picking on Kenny...

No problem.
Gosh, I have no problem with anyone's opinions.
They all just coexist regardless of how passionately or how well they are presented or supported.
 
crasru said:
AGBF said:
kenny said:
I love mammary glands bracelets won't sell.

So do better. Or, better yet, step aside and let women handle it. We can use our brains and we don't need Hugh Hefner to help us. We are sure to be able to think of a slogan if we have to go the bracelet route for fund rasing. After all, we're the ones who had to hold bake sales for school supplies all these years while the Pentagon got billions from the taxpayers for bombers.

Deb/AGBF
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Debbie,

It is very sad but due to the recession the country has little money to fund scientific research. It hit pharmaceutical companies, too. So whatever helps... even Hugh Heffner. Science is just dying without federal grants. In many areas we are behind Philippines and South Korea. I don't think people understand the real situation with cancer research - any research, for that matter. Do you know that if someone dies, the established practice is to bring the unused chemo medications to the hospital... to distribute among the living ones for free? Which had not been done before. But things are so incredibly expensive. So if "boobies" campaign helps... I am for it!

I wanted to quote Crasru here because she raises an interesting point.

There are many PSers involved with scientific research here who can testify to the same thing. Money is hard to come by for research, and fundraisers are doing all they can to generate interest.

Breast cancer is far from the only cancer out there, and can be very treatable if caught early, yet raises more money precisely because of the body part it affects. Is this fair? Well, nothing is fair in love or war, and fighting cancer is war. We may 'win' individual battles, but the war continues.

And while I personally do not have cancer, I HAVE been personally affected by breast cancer. And testicular cancer. And lung cancer. And skin cancer. And last week I got DNA samples from pediatric patients afflicted with brain cancer. Cancer just sucks.
 
Seems we have some smart people here. maybe we should come up with our own slogan? ;))

Just wondering, would "I love balls" be less offensive for a testicular cancer campaign?

fwiw, I think "i love boobies" is really cute, and so do some breast cancer survivors I know. If it means raising money for research, i'm all for it.
 
AGBF said:
kenny said:
I love mammary glands bracelets won't sell.

So do better. Or, better yet, step aside and let women handle it. We can use our brains and we don't need Hugh Hefner to help us. We are sure to be able to think of a slogan if we have to go the bracelet route for fund rasing. After all, we're the ones who had to hold bake sales for school supplies all these years while the Pentagon got billions from the taxpayers for bombers.

Deb/AGBF
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Deb, your comment doesn't make much sense to me. I hope you don't think that all men support the Pentagon getting untold amounts of money to conduct wars. I certainly don't.
 
bean said:
I don't understand how this is an offensive campaign. I find it funny, and "young". If someone doesn't want to buy anything in the "I love boobies" campaign that's fine.. buy a pink bracelet or whatever. This is just another way to reach another group of people. Just like there are different genres of music to buy, or different types of churches to attend (in faith but also style).. Something for everyone.

ETA: and I've known of this campaign for a while- I didn't know there were bracelets yet, but I've seen their stickers as far back as 2 or 3 years ago.

I have to agree with Bean. I respect everyone's opinion here, especially those who have had firsthand experience with breast cancer (either their own experience or through that of a loved one). But, and this is my opinion only, I think it's laudable that the organization is trying to get the word out. Sure, some people might not like the form that word takes, but it's still getting the message out, and more information and knowledge about breast cancer, and more debate and talk like we are doing here, surely can't hurt.
 
I think your view on the subject is different if you have direct experience dealing with the loss of someone from this terrible disease. Then the thought of teenage boys giggling over the bracelets and wearing them as a joke marginalizes the pain and suffering your loved one went through. It's not really funny and light hearted when you actually know someone that died from the disease and I would venture to guess that those teens that had lost someone close due to breast cancer sure wouldn't wear these. I can see how a survivor might like them, and wear them as sort of a way to "laugh in the face of cancer" because they beat it, but those that have lost someone have a totally different perspective....
 
The biggest problem I have with the bracelets is that it targets one specific type of cancer. Yes, As I mentioned before my mom died from breast cancer as have several of my friends over the past 5 years. But I also have a friend who has melanoma, another brain cancer,and a friend's daughter has leukemia.

All diseases are heartbreaking. My very good friend of almost 20 years has MS, another acquaintence was diagnosed with MS a few months ago. My high school friend died drom Lou Gehrig's Disease at age 19. Many of my friends who are over 50 yrs old are suffering from heart disease, including myself. More of my friends have died from cardiovascular disease in the past 10 years than those from cancer or any other disease.

The point is, do not target one part of the body to raise "funds" or more importantly "awareness". We seem to remember the diseases that have affected us the most and forget those that have no relevance to us. Cancer, heart disease and many other diseases have the potential to take away lives. Instead of wearing bracelets schools should incorporate educating students in regards to these diseases instead of just focusing on sex, drugs, and alcohol.
 
Imdanny said:
AGBF said:
kenny said:
I love mammary glands bracelets won't sell.

So do better. Or, better yet, step aside and let women handle it. We can use our brains and we don't need Hugh Hefner to help us. We are sure to be able to think of a slogan if we have to go the bracelet route for fund rasing. After all, we're the ones who had to hold bake sales for school supplies all these years while the Pentagon got billions from the taxpayers for bombers.

Deb/AGBF

Deb, your comment doesn't make much sense to me. I hope you don't think that all men support the Pentagon getting untold amounts of money to conduct wars. I certainly don't.

When one speaks of the sweeping forces of history, Danny, one looks at the big picture. I am sure that during the Reformation, some individual Catholics did not want to burn Lutherans at the stake, but that does not make it incorrect to state that the Catholics burned the Lutherans at the stake. I was stating that men have always made the wars; women have always made the bake sales, made the quilts, and knit the sweaters. And I stand by that.

Deb/AGBF
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kenny said:
Another thing some people do when they perceive they are loosing an argument is they start looking for spelling and grammar errors. - as if that has anything to do with the subject being discussed, or wins them points. :roll:

Tearing down the "opponent".

How bout we talk about the subject instead of each other.
kenny said:
Misandry is not a name.
It is a verb.

Kenny-

Do you remember this exchange, which you initiated? It seems as if when you are the one who wants to start looking for errors you give yourself a free pass. Then when I think grammar is a subject open for discussion, you decide to slam the door on it. Once again I have to tell you, what's sauce for goose is sauce for the gander. I don't think you know yourself as well as you think you do. You often jab at an opponent in debate and then run around accusing the opponent of unfair practices. I have been pointing each one out as you practice it on me.

Deb/AGBF
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AGBF said:
Imdanny said:
AGBF said:
So do better. Or, better yet, step aside and let women handle it. We can use our brains and we don't need Hugh Hefner to help us. We are sure to be able to think of a slogan if we have to go the bracelet route for fund rasing. After all, we're the ones who had to hold bake sales for school supplies all these years while the Pentagon got billions from the taxpayers for bombers.

Deb/AGBF

Deb, your comment doesn't make much sense to me. I hope you don't think that all men support the Pentagon getting untold amounts of money to conduct wars. I certainly don't.

When one speaks of the sweeping forces of history, Danny, one looks at the big picture. I am sure that during the Reformation, some individual Catholics did not want to burn Lutherans at the stake, but that does not make it incorrect to state that the Catholics burned the Lutherans at the stake. I was stating that men have always made the wars; women have always made the bake sales, made the quilts, and knit the sweaters. And I stand by that.

Deb/AGBF
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:) Yep. And as a slight jack, just for you Deb, if you haven't read it, do rush right out and get "A Terrible Love of War" by James Hillman. Fascinating and thought-provoking read. War from a Jungian perspective.
 
soocool said:
The biggest problem I have with the bracelets is that it targets one specific type of cancer. Yes, As I mentioned before my mom died from breast cancer as have several of my friends over the past 5 years. But I also have a friend who has melanoma, another brain cancer,and a friend's daughter has leukemia.

All diseases are heartbreaking. My very good friend of almost 20 years has MS, another acquaintence was diagnosed with MS a few months ago. My high school friend died drom Lou Gehrig's Disease at age 19. Many of my friends who are over 50 yrs old are suffering from heart disease, including myself. More of my friends have died from cardiovascular disease in the past 10 years than those from cancer or any other disease.

The point is, do not target one part of the body to raise "funds" or more importantly "awareness". We seem to remember the diseases that have affected us the most and forget those that have no relevance to us. Cancer, heart disease and many other diseases have the potential to take away lives. Instead of wearing bracelets schools should incorporate educating students in regards to these diseases instead of just focusing on sex, drugs, and alcohol.

There are many associations that raise money for their causes - everywhere. There was a girl in a wheelchair at Safeway asking us to donate to myodystrophies fund. I think breast cancer is "targeted" for two reasons. First, it is very common in women and second, there are better means to cure it. Since there have been more people who lost someone in their family to breast cancer there is more involvement. I think there is a strong movement raising funds for leukemia, but in principle you are right. Studies have shown that it is easier for a person to donate to a cause he personally associates with. In this way, more people started donating to "fight hunger" campaign when the face of an emaciated girl appeared on the campaign poster. Hence fewer donations to MS, because, frequent as it is, it is still more rare.
 
I keep seeing posts that indicate these bracelets trivialize or otherwise demoralize the disease or its victims. Maybe I'm just insensitive, but isn't that the same as saying a person who wears a Budweiser shirt is trivializing alcoholism??
 
somethingshiny said:
I keep seeing posts that indicate these bracelets trivialize or otherwise demoralize the disease or its victims. Maybe I'm just insensitive, but isn't that the same as saying a person who wears a Budweiser shirt is trivializing alcoholism??

I guess all depends in the situation. If you love boobs and want to wear a t-shirt that says I love boobs, I would find it funny. But if you wear a t-shirt that says I love boobs, trying to represent and support people with breast cancer, I will find it offensive, so many had even lost their breast because of this disease. and If I was one of them I will find it humiliating and very sad. If you wear a Budweiser shirt to a AA meeting I will find it as well out of place. But if you want to wear it just for fun, good for you.

I personally find this bracelets tricky, they are fun for some young people, some teen girls can find them amusing some may feel embarrass. My problem is with the people that is fighting against cancer, for them is more than "love boobs", is a fight for life.
 
somethingshiny said:
I keep seeing posts that indicate these bracelets trivialize or otherwise demoralize the disease or its victims. Maybe I'm just insensitive, but isn't that the same as saying a person who wears a Budweiser shirt is trivializing alcoholism??

No, they just have questionable taste in t-shirts! If the shirt says "I Drink To Get Drunk," that's another story. The person with the Budweiser shirt is not advocating for abstinence from alcohol, either.
 
FL Steph said:
I think your view on the subject is different if you have direct experience dealing with the loss of someone from this terrible disease. Then the thought of teenage boys giggling over the bracelets and wearing them as a joke marginalizes the pain and suffering your loved one went through. It's not really funny and light hearted when you actually know someone that died from the disease and I would venture to guess that those teens that had lost someone close due to breast cancer sure wouldn't wear these. I can see how a survivor might like them, and wear them as sort of a way to "laugh in the face of cancer" because they beat it, but those that have lost someone have a totally different perspective....

Steph,

I have to disagree, I think it is more of a question of personal taste than personal experience. Several people with personal experience with breast cancer have posted on this thread that it does not bother them, and some have even said they own or would buy the bracelet. I am one of them - a very close friend's mother died of breast cancer. She was like a second mom to me and losing her was devastating to me. She was sick for a very long time and seeing her when she was very sick and a shadow of her former vibrant self is something I will never get out of my head.

I would would this bracelet in a heartbeat. For the record, I also have a t-shirt that says "Save 2nd base" along the same lines that is sold by a local organization started by friends and family of a young woman who died of breast cancer. I do find it humorous - of course by saying I find the slogan humorous I am not saying that I think there is anything humorous about breast cancer. That is just silly. If you don't like the bracelet, fine, don't buy it. But I personally, as someone who has experienced a personal loss due to breast cancer find it offensive that some would suggest that by buying this bracelet (or my t-shirt), that I am somehow trivializing breast cancer. I am buying it to help fund research to find a cure - how is that trivializing the importance?
 
Interestingly, I received this link today: http://www.breastcancerdeadline2020.org/

I get that humor can be a catalyst to action. I do humor for a living. I personally find the boobies thing distasteful. I had cancer, although not breast cancer. My "one vote" is more for the tone of the above link (no matter whether you think 10 years is ok or not.)

I'm mad as hell at cancer. I'm not going to pink-squishy-cutesy it into oblivion. Cancer pi$$es me off. It's not cute. Cancer is not cute.

That's me. That's my opinion.
 
Nov,
I should have been more specific. I was reading the previous pages and responded to teenage boys wearing the bracelets, not adults. While it is still a bit distasteful to me personally, if I saw a grown adult wearing the bracelet, I would assume they are passionate about the cause and wanted to contribute to breast cancer awareness. If I saw a group of teenage boys wearing them, I would assume they are wearing it for the laugh factor, because let's face it, most 16 year old boys are not going to be mature enough to wear these to actually raise awareness and because they care about the cause. I would venture to say most would be wearing them for the laugh factor and because they can get away with wearing something shocking in the name of a good cause, and *this* is what I find to be disrespectful to those people that have gone through this terrible disease or have lost a loved one due to cancer.
 
AGBF said:
Imdanny said:
AGBF said:
kenny said:
I love mammary glands bracelets won't sell.

So do better. Or, better yet, step aside and let women handle it. We can use our brains and we don't need Hugh Hefner to help us. We are sure to be able to think of a slogan if we have to go the bracelet route for fund rasing. After all, we're the ones who had to hold bake sales for school supplies all these years while the Pentagon got billions from the taxpayers for bombers.

Deb/AGBF

Deb, your comment doesn't make much sense to me. I hope you don't think that all men support the Pentagon getting untold amounts of money to conduct wars. I certainly don't.

When one speaks of the sweeping forces of history, Danny, one looks at the big picture. I am sure that during the Reformation, some individual Catholics did not want to burn Lutherans at the stake, but that does not make it incorrect to state that the Catholics burned the Lutherans at the stake. I was stating that men have always made the wars; women have always made the bake sales, made the quilts, and knit the sweaters. And I stand by that.

Deb/AGBF
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All of the people who made the wars were men.

Not all of the people who were men made the wars.

You you don't have to be a man or a woman to want peace nor to be horrified by war (and I know this for a fact).

So it seemed to me that you were saying that women (only) should raise money for breast cancer with ribbons (or however).

I don't agree because men get breast cancer too and men contribute to fund raising (sometimes in vast amounts, in fact).

I wasn't asking you to disavow your statement. It overgeneralizes for my taste but it's not my statement.

BTW, I think it would have been better if you would have told Kenny you were offended and why. Two wrongs don't make a right and those of us who have known Kenny for years know from his life story that he is anything but an "adolescent."
 
As to the subject at hand, no, I wouldn't say it "offends" me. I don't get offended by "naughty" words and such.

It makes me uncomfortable though. Like the name "Hooters" makes me uncomfortable.

So on some lesser level than "offense" I find it lacking in tact.

JMHO.

I don't know whether it should be banned or what. I don't know about all of that. At this point I've only made up my mind about how I feel about it.
 
Imdanny said:
BTW, I think it would have been better if you would have told Kenny you were offended and why. Two wrongs don't make a right and those of us who have known Kenny for years know from his life story that he is anything but an "adolescent."

I can accept that correction by you, Danny. I agree it would have been better to explain why I was offended. I am not perfect.

On the other hand, I do not think it is unreasonable for Kenny and others to have known that for him to have called me "misandrous" (man-hating) was offensive. You say that you have known Kenny for years and know his life story and know he is anything but adolescent. It is a pity you do not know me. If you did, you might know that I am a loving person, not one who hates men.

But you saw fit to defend only Kenny, when he was maligned, not me, when I was.

PS-Kenny, I apologize to you for implying that you were less than a man because of any opinions you expressed in this thread. I regret anything intemperate that I said in the heat of discussion. I meant to treat you with respect throughout the discussion and I regret it that I failed to do so.

Deb
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