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I just broke my great grandmothers ruby engagement ring from 1898. Help me breathe?

greyhouse

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It's a 18k gold buttercup setting. The ruby came lose while I was washing. That ring has seen two World Wars and survived (Finland, so women were very much involved in the wars) and I broke it! I don't understand what held the ruby in place, there are no visible notch marks on the prongs, they are so worn down. If they make new nothes to the old prongs, the original ruby will be to small. I'm so scared this ring can't be saved. Skip to the end for the question!

This is why the ring is important. My great grandmother is someone I respect so much. Her brothers all received higher education and had careers in government and she fought to be able to have the same opportunity for education and managed to persuade her father to allow that (rare in the 19th century). Then, married (against her family's wishes) a political dissident, when Finland was still ultimately governed by czarist Russia, though there was a Finnish government and parliament. She hid political fugitives (independence proponents) in her new home. She was part of the effort that gave women the right to vote in 1906!

She had to cut out her family of origin and never spoke about them again, due to their opposing political opinions. We found large picture portraits of those family members hid in the back of unusually shaped linen closets (larger in the back, may have been hiding places for fugitives? in addition to a hidden room in the basement def. for hiding, there were also wall spaces in the attic. I never knew about the hidden spaces, my mom knew). The house was also named after her, it was known as "the curtain house" (people came to her for special occasion table cloths and curtains).

And then she survived the two world wars. In the first war her family of origin and husband fought on opposite sides. It resulted in Finland's independence. She lost her brother, but wasn't allowed to grieve or speak about him (I now have his portrait on the wall, she had hidden written notes behind or in the picture frames with information about the person(s) in the portrait(s)). The war was incredibly bloody, brother against brother, neighbor against neighbor (the Reds wanted something similar to socialism, Whites a conservative monarchy, we ended up as a republic with social democracy). Thankfully, both her husband and oldest son survived the WWII (against Russia) but they were incredibly traumatised. "The curtain house" was the gathering place for war veterans. When veterans came over, all women and children were told to leave. Then the vodka came out and crying started. Group therapy, I guess.

My mother's mother died when she was five, so my great grandmother in her advanced age raised my mother. She is the only mother my mother remembers. When my mother married my father she wore the ruby ring and her birth mothers both rings until recently when her joints made it impossible to wear them anymore. Now I have them, though they are too big for me to wear on my ring finger.

Thank you for letting me drop the history of the ruby ring here. I already feel a bit better!

Opinions needed: The setting still has visible incriptions and maker's marks and looks good. Would it ruin the history, if I replaced the ruby with one that fits the setting? The original ruby is cut in a choppy way but is incredibly vividly red.
 

cmd2014

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Ok, first, take a deep breath.

Is the original ruby broken? Is is lost? If the answer is no to both those questions, then I would look around to find someone skilled (SKILLED) in repairing estate and antique jewelry to fix your ring so that the original ruby ends up back in the original setting.

If the original stone is broken or lost, then yes, I would find a new stone as close as possible to the old one and again, find someone skilled to fix your ring. IMO it would not ruin history, because old jewelry is often fixed along the way (stones reset, changed out, swapped with paste, re-swapped with real stones again when they could be afforded, repaired, etc.) and this is what keeps it intact for future generations.
 

T L

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Do you have a photo of the damaged ring? That would help, and perhaps also posting it in the jewelry section of this forum as well. Some jewelers may give advice there. I'm very sorry about such a emotionally significant ring getting damaged, but the right jeweler can possibly repair it. Good luck!
 

Arcadian

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Please breathe, because you'll turn purple if you don't. My terrible attempt at humor...lol

But seriously please post a picture of the ring because there could def. be a way to fix it.
 

greyhouse

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Sorry, it's late in the evening here and I can't get a decent picture. I have to take a closer look at the ruby to see if its chipped, but it didn't seem broken. The prongs seemed worn. I have no idea how to start asking around to find someone skilled.

I paniced a little yesterday and bid on a rose cut diamond up for auction
 

ElleK

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If you still have the stone and the setting, it can likely be repaired. Don't fret yet!

Pictures would be extremely helpful!
 

Arkteia

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Greyhouse, first, what an incredible history!

Second, the history is not in the ruby. It is in your head, hopefully, also written somewhere in family annals and passed on to other family members.

(I'd definitely post it on some genealogy website. My Russian dad has Finnish matches, so I had to obtain an read some books on Finnish history. Did not answer my questions, but the history is very interesting).

Third, I wish you the best of luck with the stone. (My son dropped a Mahenge spinel on the tiled table and it broke, but I had it recut with minimal loss of weight or size). I wish you the same.
 

arkieb1

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If the stone is undamaged then all you need is a good jeweller to rebuild up the prongs probably and reset the stone into the ring. If they are unable to do that they should be able to replicate (copy) the setting it came out of and reset the original stone. It would be a bad idea to set another stone into the setting if the prongs are worn down without fixing that issue using a good bench jeweller first.
 

boerumbiddy

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This is such a wonderful story. I want to know the next chapter. If the stone is undamaged, I have hopes that the setting can be repaired or replaced. Please post pictures of before and after! Regardless of condition, you have a real treasure. I am so happy that you know the history of your remarkable ancestress.
 

boerumbiddy

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And if all else fails where you are, I have a wonderful skilled and trustworthy jeweler in Brooklyn who would probably love to help with the repairs.
 
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