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I found this stone today. I need it critized. I need the pros input. Can i do better?

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I found a pricescope friendly jeweler today and this is the stone i am looking at. tell me what you think.

$7200


GIA
Round Brilliant 7.25-7.31 x 4.35mm
1.40Ct
Color: F
Clarity: SI2 (eye clean)
Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish:Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Flourescence:None

HCA SCORES:
Light Return: Excellent
Fire: Excellent
Scintillation: Excellent
Spread: Excellent
Total Visual Performance 1.2 - Excellent
within TIC range
 
You didn''t list all the angles, etc., but if it gets a 1.2 on the HCA, the numbers are probably good. It is certainly a terrific size (just under 1.5 cts. and almost as big). If the inclusions are not objectionable, then I''d say you have found a great stone!
 
Date: 9/28/2007 1:16:23 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
You didn''t list all the angles, etc., but if it gets a 1.2 on the HCA, the numbers are probably good. It is certainly a terrific size (just under 1.5 cts. and almost as big). If the inclusions are not objectionable, then I''d say you have found a great stone!
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Again, because she''s just so sharp on ''on the game'' these days.....completely agree with DS. Looks like a nice find. Congrats!
 

oops sorry .. here are the angles too. I was really impressed with this jeweler. I told him i was big on pricescope and when i got there he had 4 stones all with printed out HCA reports .. My only concern now is it a nice size and is the price right.


$7200

GIA
Round Brilliant 7.25-7.31 x 4.35mm
1.40Ct
Color: F
Clarity: SI2 (eye clean)
Pavillion Angle:40.6
Crown Angle: 34.5
Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish:Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Flourescence:None
HCA SCORES:
Light Return: Excellent
Fire: Excellent
Scintillation: Excellent
Spread: Excellent
Total Visual Performance 1.2 - Excellent
within TIC range
 
I am VERY FAR from an expert and have only been researching for a couple of weeks.. But that seems like an excellent find. My dealer located a 1.28 GIA, G, VS2 with perfect measurements and specs for $9,200 which I thought was a decent deal.

Whats the table and depth?
 
Everything looks great so far, but I''d still like to see the rest of the cut info like the table, depth, etc. So far I don''t see any red flags and I''m very impressed that your vendor was keen on pricescope and tried to find a stone that worked for you. I love how this diamond is in the 1.4 range!! These are hard to find, but they are such a value since they cost considerably less than a 1.5, but appear almost the same.
 
OK. Sorry! these are ALL the specs .. yea i was surprised myself that this was a gia triple X stone. Maybe i should buy it tommorow!

$7200

GIA
Round Brilliant 7.25-7.31 x 4.35mm
1.40Ct
Color: F
Clarity: SI2 (eye clean)
Table: 59%
Depth: 59.8%
Pavillion Angle:40.6
Crown Angle: 34.5
Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish:Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Flourescence:None

HCA SCORES:
Light Return: Excellent
Fire: Excellent
Scintillation: Excellent
Spread: Excellent
Total Visual Performance 1.2 - Excellent
within TIC range
 
ok - again I am not an expert by any means but the table and depth look a little off to me. I would prefer 55 or 57 table and 61-62 depth.. I would be interested to hear what the experts think about this diamond with 59 and 59 table/depth
 
The table is slightly large. This is still a well-performing diamond, but it will have a brighter looking appearance with more white light return and very little colored fire light return. This is mostly preference, but I thought I should mention it. Many like the look, but some prefer smaller tables with more fire.
 
Date: 9/28/2007 3:54:26 PM
Author: kcoursolle
The table is slightly large. This is still a well-performing diamond, but it will have a brighter looking appearance with more white light return and very little colored fire light return. This is mostly preference, but I thought I should mention it. Many like the look, but some prefer smaller tables with more fire.
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I wouldnt go as far as saying very little.
Some people love these stones, sure the fire is down a little from smaller tabled stones but not a huge amount.
Since you are seeing this stone in person view it in many lighting conditions both up close and far away and if it speaks too you then you are good too go.
 
I wanted too add that many and Im almost tempted too say most larger tabled diamonds arent cut too optimal angles so it is a stone by stone decision.
But this one sounds like it is and that makes a huge difference.
Ask the vendor if he has an ideal-scope or atleast a h&a scope to complete the eval and see how the arrows look.
 
Date: 9/28/2007 5:29:52 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 9/28/2007 3:54:26 PM
Author: kcoursolle
The table is slightly large. This is still a well-performing diamond, but it will have a brighter looking appearance with more white light return and very little colored fire light return. This is mostly preference, but I thought I should mention it. Many like the look, but some prefer smaller tables with more fire.
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I wouldnt go as far as saying very little.
Some people love these stones, sure the fire is down a little from smaller tabled stones but not a huge amount.
Since you are seeing this stone in person view it in many lighting conditions both up close and far away and if it speaks too you then you are good too go.
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this is a good add, I probably exaggerated a little too much. "slightly less that might be noticeable" than with a table of 54-57 probably would have been a better way to phrase this.
 
Date: 9/28/2007 5:45:23 PM
Author: kcoursolle

this is a good add, I probably exaggerated a little too much. ''slightly less that might be noticeable'' than with a table of 54-57 probably would have been a better way to phrase this.
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bingo :}
 
Date: 9/28/2007 3:54:26 PM
Author: kcoursolle
The table is slightly large. This is still a well-performing diamond, but it will have a brighter looking appearance with more white light return and very little colored fire light return. This is mostly preference, but I thought I should mention it. Many like the look, but some prefer smaller tables with more fire.
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I hope you don't mind a little perspective re terminology, just in case someone uses our feedback with jewelers/gemologists away from PS.

In global terms 59% is a small table. KC is correct that it's at the outside border of the range we usually see favored by Pricescopers, but GIA definitions for table size are small 52-59%, medium 60-64% and large 65%+ This is just a footnote for the sake of accuracy. We have pretty strict paradigms here (which is good) but consumers may discuss our advice with outside sellers, and we want it to be sound in global terms... I elaborated on that a little bit in this post.

Regarding performance: The balance of fire/brightness is largely driven by the table/CA relationship. With 59/34.5 this stone is still a near-Tolk with a 14% crown height. Barring inconsistencies, it should have great colored light as well as brightness. A modern Tolk is in the 15% range (56/40.75/34.5).

Edited to add: I see the convo got where I was going ahead of me.
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Great advice keep it coming. ;) is there anyway sombody can give me one of those computer digital images based on the specs?
 
I just got the price down to $6900. I THINK thats a steal. There must be somthing up with this stone. Right?
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Have you run the numbers yourself in the HCA tool? Don''t depend on his results, although they may be fine.

As well, try running the specs through AGA''s "old" cut grading tool. I don''t see it mentioned around here a lot as people vet stones and I believe Dave Atlas is slowly moving away from it (he''ll jump in and clarify, I''m sure), but I found it useful in my search:
http://www.gemappraisers.com/oldcutgrade.asp

You can also use the results to negotiate, if you want, although it sounds like your jeweler is trying to close the deal and is already negotiating.

Also, be aware that GIA rounds its numbers. Have you seen a copy of the actual certificate or are you going by what he said - even slight differences can make a difference. I didn''t think rounding was such a big deal until I started running raw numbers vs. GIA''s rounded numbers and started getting different results.

My third suggestion is to simply have it sent to an appraiser of *your* choice, not the jewelers. There are a number of very reputable appraisers around this forum. If the jeweler is reputable, he''ll agree you can pay to have it appraised *before* purchase. If you''re happy with the appraisal, you pay the jeweler the price of the diamond. Once he confirms with the appraiser it has been paid, the appraiser releases the diamond to you. It''s cheap, compared to the total cost of the diamond, so I personally think an *independent* appraisal is a sound investment. It also sounds like it might provide you with some peace of mind.

Just my .02 cents...

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FYI, I purchased a stone with the same size table and there is still plenty of fire. We were in the theatre the other night and we both couldn''t stop looking at the stone and all the pretty colors.
 
I'm no expert but that looks like a heck of a lot of diamond for the money to me! It's huge, white, great HCA.... if you're not a mind-clean cut freak who must have all angles in AGA 1A territory, you should consider grabbing it I think. Not likely to find one that big and white an cut right for cheaper. I'm envious. You have seen it and it is eye-clean? That seems possibly the tricky part of buying from "the list".
 
I just bought it! Its being shipped to me tommorow! IM EXCITED! I have seen it and it is eye clean. I Got it for $6900
 
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