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iveous

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I'm brand new to the site and just started reading it the last few days.

This is what happened.
A few days ago I realized that I will never find a girl as lovely (inside and out) as my baby and decided we should get married. Right away I started looking at diamonds on the internet. I was feeling a bit uneasy about buying online but found this site and checked on a few things (but not enough) I spent 6 hours online and at around 4:00am I hit the enter button and bought a freaking ring!

Carat: 1.01
Color: J
Clarity: SI1
Cut: Ideal
depth%: 61.3
table: 57
Polish: Very good
Symmetry: Very good

I thought I'd purchased a great diamond... until the next night I stayed up all night again researching (AFTER HAVING PURCHASED THE RING ALREADY) I hate knowing I made the wrong decision after the fact... well I found some more info... like how important
these are...

measurement: 6.28 to 6.35
girdle: very thin to thick

Today I know that the range on those measurements is FAR FAR from the ideal 6.5 range one wants... I was buying a diamond with a range that was more for like a 0.9c diamond.

But guess what...!

I got an email and a call from Diamond.com noting they were sorry but the diamond I chose was not in their inventory... I've spoken to their sales rep and he's given me a couple of ideas... I did a bit more research and gave him the parameters I wanted in my diamond and also told him once he found the diamonds that I would want pavillion and crown angles.
Sadly he said Diamond.com doesn't provide those with GIA certs and they have no way of getting those inhouse at all. AGS certs would be the only way to go and they don't carry many of those diamonds. He told me not to overthink angles... that if the cut noted was ideal or excellent by the GIA I should not worry....

I don't know about that. I did tell him that I would absolutely need those if I was to drop $3000 to $4000 on a diamond ring... I plan on only buying one engagement ring in my life time... I was kind of surprised that they didn't provide that info...
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I'm shooting for these proportions... ANY ADVICE? HAVE $4000 tops to spend on the rock.
I want the shiniest, brightest, rock I can afford. Clarity and color I'm ok with dropping some.

Carat: 1.0 or above
Depth: 59 to 61.9
table: 55 to 57
Symmetry: vg or better
polish: vg or better
clarity: SI1 or SI2(am unsure about taking "no visible marks on SI2" vendor's word for it)
color: I or J

I have one question though. I've found several diamonds with these dimensions that were rated as very good cut by the website... I thought these dimensions guaranteed an IDEAL cut... how can a diamond have these proportions and have lesser than an IDEAL cut...?

I've found these so far... what do u think?


option 1

option 2

option 3

option 4





These are just some examples of same proportions but only... very good vs ideal cuts... what's up with this?
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Please I'll take any advice I can get... this has been keeping me up for the last 3 days... I literally did not go to sleep at all the last 48 hours... LOL

option 5
 
How about this...bigger
A good buy?

option 6
 
I wouldn't go with option 1; there is no crown/pav info given and I dislike the thin-to-thick on the girdle. Also, you can't even see a copy of the grading report!

I'd personally also eliminate #2 because it has only "good" polish and again, no information on crown/pav., and no diameter measurements. Totally not enough info.

That leaves 3, 4, and 5.

#3 would be my first pick, #4 my second pick, and possibly #5 my third pick. #3 and #4 are close on data, but #3 looks cleaner than #4. Option #5 bugs me in that it doesn't have crown/pav angle and can't see grading report to even get an idea about inclusions. Also, the table is a bit smaller on the 54 side.

I'd also personally eliminate the Option #6 that iveous pointed out based on the visibility of the inclusions. It may be eyeclean in person, who knows, but you have better options on the table, and the slight difference in size won't show once mounted.
 
Date: 1/18/2006 9:13:40 PM
Author: aljdewey
I wouldn't go with option 1; there is no crown/pav info given and I dislike the thin-to-thick on the girdle. Also, you can't even see a copy of the grading report!

I'd personally also eliminate #2 because it has only 'good' polish and again, no information on crown/pav., and no diameter measurements. Totally not enough info.

That leaves 3, 4, and 5.

#3 would be my first pick, #4 my second pick, and possibly #5 my third pick. #3 and #4 are close on data, but #3 looks cleaner than #4. Option #5 bugs me in that it doesn't have crown/pav angle and can't see grading report to even get an idea about inclusions. Also, the table is a bit smaller on the 54 side.

I'd also personally eliminate the Option #6 that iveous pointed out based on the visibility of the inclusions. It may be eyeclean in person, who knows, but you have better options on the table, and the slight difference in size won't show once mounted.
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ditto... #3 then #4
for all the reasons alj pointed out.
 
I would choose number 3 and 4 too. Since they are both from WF, I would call them and ask their opinion on the stones.

Congrats - sounds like you have really taken a diamond crash course. Isn''t it amazing how much you can learn in such a short period of time?!?!?!?!?
 
Damn it!

Why does WF make it so easy to want to shop from them...!!!!

The other sites with similar grade diamonds...just omit info for the sake of omiting and donp''t provide the pavillion and other angles... argh.

There def seems to be some shadyness going on witht he 1st two options...makes me wonder whether it is even worth the time to call them to see if they''d provide the other info I need.

So do you think 3 and 4 are the best I can get for $4000... I would like to have an I colored stone with the same measurements for the same money... sigh...

Thanks for the replies so far btw...
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I agree #3 would be my first choice followed by #4. WF can tell you how they compare. Good luck!!!
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YOu''re right!

I''ve learned more than I care to know about diamond rings the last 3 days... My eyes are about to pop out of my head. And all I really know is the ideal ranges to look for one one style of Diamond! When I read of conversations about dif combos with upper and lower range of angles... my head starts to spin! brilliant vs fiery vs whatever... (kind of fun though)

Let me say again...

Thank god Diamond.com did not have the diamond i chose first in stock... after finding all this out I would have slapped myself silly!
 
going with a lower color is a great way to get more size. i really don''t think you will see a difference between ''i'' and ''j'' so, i would stick with the ''j'' and get the size you want.
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Everything happens for a reason right?? You have done your homework and are to be commended. Hopefully you can get a good sleep tonight. You''ll be in great hands with WF.
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I think I will give them a ring tomorrow possibly.

I gave the sales man at Diamond.com one more opportunity. He will call me tomorrow if he can find any diamonds that he can actually produce pavillion and crown angles for.
 
Good luck to you - let us know what you decide!
 
Date: 1/18/2006 9:27:28 PM
Author: iveous


So do you think 3 and 4 are the best I can get for $4000... I would like to have an I colored stone with the same measurements for the same money... sigh...
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N''ah... chances are the color would not make much of a difference at all. It isn''t likely you could tell any J from any I color, especially in this size.

Btw. #3 gets my vote because of clarity: #4 was lucky in that the main inclusion doesn''t show as well in the picture, but it still is right under the table.

About WF making things easy... yeah, good for them
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Anyway, if you get to inquire about these stones (often folk do that to ask about whether to expect these stones to be ''eye clean'' or what not), it can''t be too hard to also ask about this one. With the clarity grade given by a bunch of scattered minuscule inclusions, it may look cleaner than most of the SI1s with one large smacker under the table - you never know. And it is I color, and large for the weight.

Anyway, between these, it would still be clarity that makes the difference for me.


Best of luck
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Am I too late? I vote for option #3!!
 
Thanks for that other option Valeria... that picture is kind of blurry though. I''d def have to ask about htat one when I call WF...

I''ve noticed though that once you really get into exact ranges in ideal and good cuts... the prices don''t fluctuate much. If you find one cheaper they tend to have something missing... you know.
 
And Iveous, did you know that WhiteFlash gives a PriceScope discount?! I''m not sure what the percentage is, but you might be able to go up to I, SI1 if you get the discount! Be sure to ask them for it!
 
Date: 1/18/2006 10:23:03 PM
Author: iveous

If you find one cheaper they tend to have something missing... you know.
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Well, it is th clarity grade in this case: but SI clarity grade do not account for the ''eye clean'' quality of the stones.

... and this is why I mentioned.

I doubt prices are ordered to reflect looks (not to mention when this goes slightly against the black on white notes on the lab report) down to a tee - fortunately
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Date: 1/18/2006 8:38:05 PM
Author:iveous

I got an email and a call from Diamond.com noting they were sorry but the diamond I chose -was not in their inventory...
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The first thing you want to do is find a vendor who actually has their own stones in inventory. It''s a good idea to stay away from the drop-shippers.
 
Here are two sweet choices to spend your ~$4k on. Both over 1c and I/J SI2 clarity with H&A patterns, the WF one is branded ACA.

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_Details.aspx?itemcode=AGS-5196910
http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_012ct_i_si2_h&a.htm

Both look really sweet, I would check eye-cleanliness, the WF one is about $500 cheaper according to the PS price search engine.

Oh, edited to add, and #3 and #4 of your original choices are both pretty darn sweet too. I have had 2 Expert Selection stones that just missed the ACA mark and they were both just beautiful.
 
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