How fussy are you about cuts in CS?

[mellowyellowgirl]

Would you wear this?

The window kills me!

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[toomuchB]

Would you wear this?

The window kills me!

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Truly a pancake. No, a crepe. Yet, I bet if you have it to a creative jewellery like Hemmerle they could make it into something spectacular.

 

[mellowyellowgirl]

Truly a pancake. No, a crepe. Yet, I bet if you have it to a creative jewellery like Hemmerle they could make it into something spectacular.

I was initially shocked to see it was only 6 carats as it looks huge but then it makes sense when I think about it (pancake and all).

 

[Saphir]

CS=colored stone.
This is a very interesting viewpoint, I enjoyed reading it! It is very unique to consider cut so highly. I recall that you have that precision cut ruby.
But we are all different.
Do you find certain materials almost impossible to find to your liking, because they are almost never precision cut?

The most important factor to me is that the the stone is untreated, than cut and clarity. Origin and color is a matter of taste. If a stone is threated i dont look at him. Most semi precious stones on the market has an precision cut. 95% on the market in corundum is heated, has a weight cut or is unheated and not eye clean. As a collector u see an other market, u look like a special one.

 

[toomuchB]

I was initially shocked to see it was only 6 carats as it looks huge but then it makes sense when I think about it (pancake and all).

Gosh I didn't even notice the weight! I wonder if it would be cool set upside down? I just don't think the traditional setting where traditional cuts are usually featured works for this stone. It is an extreme example.
Honestly a moderate window in crazy quality material I could handle without the artsy angle, I think. Like this. But maybe I am wrong and I would hate it lol

Burmese Vivid Pink Sapphire Ring, 10.03 Carats

Hot Pink Burmese Sapphire Ring, 10.03 Carats. Rare pink gems for sale at M.S. Rau

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The most important factor to me is that the the stone is untreated, than cut and clarity. Origin and color is a matter of taste. If a stone is threated i dont look at him. Most semi precious stones on the market has an precision cut. 95% on the market in corundum is heated, has a weight cut or is unheated and not eye clean. As a collector u see an other market, u look like a special one.

I have non precision cut stones but i prefer precision because im a collector and often use loupe or microscop. Also shows pc gems pattern. And collectors have mostly stones in a small box, than u normally look straight at the top and another plus is the girdle thickness which is mostly thick.
Normally Collectors pay for the name and origin "Burma" for rubys. Some Rubys from Mozambique is very identical to Rubys from Burma in color and inclusions. Mozambique has generally better clarity and sometimes weak or non fluorescence.
Rubys from Winza are very special from the inclusions. A few has weak or non fluorescence but glowing because of the long needle (rutile, boehmite, twin lamelles) inclusions and have often an orangy-red color with uncommon blue color zoning that is also one of an kind. The inside of an winza ruby is absolutely fantastic, there u can see how perfect the nature can work.

I totally agree with you on the untreated aspect - I'm a purist. I would rather a tiny perfect stone than a bigger treated one even in something like emerald. Of course nothing against those who have other preferences.
The only exception I make is heated orange/yellow/brown benitoite - because it does not exist without heating (I am a bit of benitoite collector and fan). I cannot think of anything similar to this situation, but maybe there is. I suppose cobalt spinel from Canada is always stabilized - but I am not interested in this material when there is Vietnamese and Tanzanian.

Unlike you, I care deeply about origin, but I don't limit myself to only the premium origins
While not Burmese, Winza rubies and sapphire-ruby bicolors (both in one stone) are indeed fascinating. The latter is on my wishlist.
Again, I enjoy varied perspectives even when we don't agree on everything of course

I will say the when I do prioritize cut - when it is a material I would not consider otherwise without a perfect or unique cut. This is my Munsteiner ametrine pair. I would not buy ametrine in a typical emerald cut. I feel similar to blue-sheen moonstone for example where I want a special fantasy cut, or none at all.

https://imgur.com/a/bOK6rA2

 

[mellowyellowgirl]

Gosh I didn't even notice the weight! I wonder if it would be cool set upside down? I just don't think the traditional setting where traditional cuts are usually featured works for this stone. It is an extreme example.
Honestly a moderate window in crazy quality material I could handle without the artsy angle, I think. Like this. But maybe I am wrong and I would hate it lol

Burmese Vivid Pink Sapphire Ring, 10.03 Carats

Hot Pink Burmese Sapphire Ring, 10.03 Carats. Rare pink gems for sale at M.S. Rau

rauantiques.com

Hehe I’d definitely be ok with that Burmese one! To me it looks more like “yeah there’s a bit of a window” not “we hacked this up so it’s like a flat slither.” That’s what the one I posted looks like. It’s not “stone with a window,” it’s all window!

 

[elizat]

I’m terrible but I think my criteria is: size, colour, clarity and then cut.

Would not buy the best colour if it was too small for me.

I think I'm the same. If it would be too small for my project, even if the color is perfect, it's not for me. Perhaps size is a filter first? Another way to say it.

I don't care for fantasy cuts either.

 

[Saphir]

Gosh I didn't even notice the weight! I wonder if it would be cool set upside down? I just don't think the traditional setting where traditional cuts are usually featured works for this stone. It is an extreme example.
Honestly a moderate window in crazy quality material I could handle without the artsy angle, I think. Like this. But maybe I am wrong and I would hate it lol

Burmese Vivid Pink Sapphire Ring, 10.03 Carats

Hot Pink Burmese Sapphire Ring, 10.03 Carats. Rare pink gems for sale at M.S. Rau

rauantiques.com

I totally agree with you on the untreated aspect - I'm a purist. I would rather a tiny perfect stone than a bigger treated one even in something like emerald. Of course nothing against those who have other preferences.
The only exception I make is heated orange/yellow/brown benitoite - because it does not exist without heating (I am a bit of benitoite collector and fan). I cannot think of anything similar to this situation, but maybe there is. I suppose cobalt spinel from Canada is always stabilized - but I am not interested in this material when there is Vietnamese and Tanzanian.

Unlike you, I care deeply about origin, but I don't limit myself to only the premium origins
While not Burmese, Winza rubies and sapphire-ruby bicolors (both in one stone) are indeed fascinating. The latter is on my wishlist.
Again, I enjoy varied perspectives even when we don't agree on everything of course

I will say the when I do prioritize cut - when it is a material I would not consider otherwise without a perfect or unique cut. This is my Munsteiner ametrine pair. I would not buy ametrine in a typical emerald cut. I feel similar to blue-sheen moonstone for example where I want a special fantasy cut, or none at all.

https://imgur.com/a/bOK6rA2

That a good thing than u will not buy the stones that i want. I prefer smaller stones like u, 1,5-3ct or a bit over 3ct on sapphire
and spinel and chrysoberyl between 2,5-6ct. but i love stones between 6,5-9mm length and a bit thicker, like standard engagement ring stone sizes. Im male and prefer darker stones for the most colors. To me is an cut like a picture frame to an absolutely facinating world of the inside of inclusions in a stone and i have not the big budget to can buy 5 or 10ct stones.
The winza ruby was a coincidence found from a gemstone cutter in UK. He bought older stones on a gemstone convention for recut.
Normally an "emerald" cut is not the best option for a ruby, but the pavillion has been modified.
All square cuts imo are normally precision cuts when they made very very good.
Origin and color is very very important to me to but i dont look at the stones on the seller sites if i can see not a excellent cut and clarity. But for an Burmese Ruby or Kashmir sapphire i dont have the money for that im beeing looking for.

 

[Saphir]

I was initially shocked to see it was only 6 carats as it looks huge but then it makes sense when I think about it (pancake and all).

I like the window color more than the color that was reflected

 

[oncrutchesrightnow]

Well I am far from a Zircon expert! The blues range from very pale (well, colorless really) to pretty deep, but not really like a sapphire blue, more of a greenish blue. They can come in almost any color in the rainbow really but they don't do every color well (e.g. red) generally imo. I find a lot of the 'fancy' colors are cloudy in clarity so I haven't looked into them much myself. I feel like I've seen some really clean nice yellows (despite most being brownish) in particular, but not precision cut. There is also a unique color changing variety (purple to blue/green)

There is PSer zircon thread! Some are precision. There are some non-blues.

Thread 'The Zircon thread'

May 9, 2016

This thread is dedicated to zircons.
In all colors and shapes. Set or unset.

Share your favourite zircon pics and/or
your knowledge on zircons.

You can find zircons in stunning colors and
an amazing dispersion. Bonus: mostly they
are relatively affordable.

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A big fat blue one is on my bucket list. I feel like I want to see some of the deeper tones in real life. The lighter greenish ones are more popular.
Eg see the video in this listing for a deeper color:

Blue Zircon 51.15ct - 20mm #ZI0786

Natural Loose Cobalt Blue Zircon weighing 51.15ct & measuring 20.15 x 19.97 x 14.83 mm from Cambodia. The Zircon is cut in an ideal Trilliant shape which compliments the gemstone very well. Certificate also available. Zircon gemstones are beautiful for all occasions and can be worn for many...

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Here is the more popular color I am referring to, these are of course precision cuts

Natural Zircon - Jeff Davies & Son Gemstones

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Thanks, that was very informative. Great for anyone who wants turquoise-to-teal in an affordable CS. I saw what you mean about other colors being cloudy. There were some pretty pink-peaches. And the color-change variant sounds super cool.