Hoping for a little more help on selecting RB engagement stone!

[quietforce]

Hi everyone,

Thanks everyone so much for your advice the last couple of days - I know I will be so much more confident in my decision thanks to PS. I need to select a diamond by this weekend in order to get my ring made in time for a holiday proposal to my GF I'm going to the diamond guy tomorrow - he is a wholesaler in NYC diamond district, I have met with him already and seen these stones which are all ridiculously gorgeous to my untrained eye.

I've learned a little bit more about the diamonds I've been looking at. Everything I know, including what I've learned so far from the great people here on the forum, is summarized below. Sorry for the long post, but hoping anyone with an opinion will jump in and give me additional data points to work with.

These are the three stones I am considering (all are no fl, no culet):

Stone 1
$7400
1.05, G, VS1
Cut Exc
Polish VG
Symmetry VG
HCA Score .9
Depth 60.4
Table 58
Crown angle 32.5
Pavilion angle 41.0
Measurements 6.57 x 6.62 x 3.98
GIA cert 1106181467

I've used the AGS cut grade estimator and it gives the stone a 1B grade, mostly penalizing it for the shallow crown angle (which in and of itself gets a 2A rating).

What people on this forum have said:
This seems like a very nice stone with great spread, but is likely to show more brightness at the expense of fire.

My main question:
I really like the spread and visual size of this stone for the price, but do you think I will be giving up a lot of noticeable liveliness and sparkle? Should I be concerned about the shallow angle, and when I go to look at them in person tomorrow is there anything in particular I should be looking for in comparison to the below stones?

Stone 2
$7200
1.03, G, VS1
Cut Exc
Polish VG
Symmetry Exc
HCA Score 1.5
Depth 62.9
Table 54
Crown angle 34.5
Pavilion angle 40.6
Measurements 6.40 x 6.45 x 4.04
GIA cert 5106196611

I've used the AGS cut grade estimator and it gives the stone a 1A grade, only penalizing it to the 1B area in one or two areas.

What people on this forum have said:
This seems like the safest bet by the numbers, but it may have some obstruction issues or some dark spots in the center because it seems a little deep.

My main question:
Is this really the safest bet? Should I just buy it and be done with the process?

Stone 3
$7000
1.0, G, VS1
Cut VG
Polish Exc
Symmetry Exc
HCA Score 1.0
Depth 61.9
Table 55
Crown angle 34.0
Pavilion angle 40.8
Measurements 6.39 x 6.43 x 3.97
GIA cert 17263256 (comments are: Additional clouds are not shown; Surface graining is not shown)

I've used the AGS cut grade estimator and it gives the stone a straight 1A grade on every single area!!

What people on this forum have said:
This seems like either a fantastic stone or a problem stone. It should be an EXC rating by GIA standards, so the VG rating combined with the exact 1.0 carat makes people think maybe it has some brillianteering. Of course, that brought up the whole painting and digging thing (which I have learned more about in the last 36 hours than I ever thought I would or could!!). It might be a fantastic stone with artful painting to enhance performance. Or it might just be hiding weight.

My main question:
Do I buy it in hopes of scoring the best in the bunch for the cheapest price (even though at $400 difference, I care less about price than getting the right stone), or am I taking too big a risk ? Is there something I can look for under the loop tomorrow?


Overall question 1: Do these seem like good prices?

Overall question 2: I have found 2 of these 3 stones listed online for $500 - $750 less, as part of my research (by GIA report number). Is it bad form to mention this to the diamond seller and ask for him to meet me somewhere in the middle (I recognize that his help and time and the ability to view the diamond in person are worth something)?

Overall question 3: I might just have time to buy one of these and take it to an appraiser to get some tests done (Idealscope, etc) and then swap if I am unhappy. Is it worth the effort, or am I sweating the small stuff on what are essentially three great stones neither I nor my GF will ever notice the difference on?

Thank you all so much for being such an amazing source of excellent information and opinion!

 

[JulieN]

Well, looks like I haven't given you my opinion yet.

You are gaining 1% spread over Tolkowsky on stone 1. By the angles, it seems like it would be more, but a 6.60 mm, 1.05 ct stone is only 1% spreadier than Tolkowsky. I don't really consider a stone to be "spready" until it's about 3% greater. So any decrease in fire, to me, isn't worth it.

Some misconceptions here. Stone 2 doesn't possibly have a problem with obstruction because its "deep." Which, it really isn't deep to begin with. Obstruction usually happens with a shallow pavilion angle. Now, if the symmetry is wonky, yes, you can have some problems. Check to make sure, but when done right, stones of these proportions won't have a darkness problem.

I'm all for fire, so Stone 2 is my choice.

Questions 1 and 2: your "wholesaler" is offering these stones at nearly 10% more than retailers? You absolutely could have seen one of the PS vendors in the NYC DD and gotten the prices listed on PS. Absolutely ask for the PS price. He isn't doing anything more for you than a PS vendor would.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/3/2009 2:17:30 AM
Author: JulieN
Well, looks like I haven't given you my opinion yet.

You are gaining 1% spread over Tolkowsky on stone 1. By the angles, it seems like it would be more, but a 6.60 mm, 1.05 ct stone is only 1% spreadier than Tolkowsky. I don't really consider a stone to be 'spready' until it's about 3% greater. So any decrease in fire, to me, isn't worth it.

Some misconceptions here. Stone 2 doesn't possibly have a problem with obstruction because its 'deep.' Which, it really isn't deep to begin with. Obstruction usually happens with a shallow pavilion angle. Now, if the symmetry is wonky, yes, you can have some problems. Check to make sure, but when done right, stones of these proportions won't have a darkness problem.

I'm all for fire, so Stone 2 is my choice.

Questions 1 and 2: your 'wholesaler' is offering these stones at nearly 10% more than retailers? You absolutely could have seen one of the PS vendors in the NYC DD and gotten the prices listed on PS. Absolutely ask for the PS price. He isn't doing anything more for you than a PS vendor would.

Ditto Julie.

My choice is for stone 3.

 

[stone-cold11]

#3 for me too.

Weird that when I input the proportion into facetware, it returns a Ex cut for it. No reason was given for the down grade on the reportcheck.

 

[quietforce]

Date: 12/3/2009 5:20:12 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 12/3/2009 2:17:30 AM

Author: JulieN

Well, looks like I haven''t given you my opinion yet.


You are gaining 1% spread over Tolkowsky on stone 1. By the angles, it seems like it would be more, but a 6.60 mm, 1.05 ct stone is only 1% spreadier than Tolkowsky. I don''t really consider a stone to be ''spready'' until it''s about 3% greater. So any decrease in fire, to me, isn''t worth it.


Some misconceptions here. Stone 2 doesn''t possibly have a problem with obstruction because its ''deep.'' Which, it really isn''t deep to begin with. Obstruction usually happens with a shallow pavilion angle. Now, if the symmetry is wonky, yes, you can have some problems. Check to make sure, but when done right, stones of these proportions won''t have a darkness problem.


I''m all for fire, so Stone 2 is my choice.


Questions 1 and 2: your ''wholesaler'' is offering these stones at nearly 10% more than retailers? You absolutely could have seen one of the PS vendors in the NYC DD and gotten the prices listed on PS. Absolutely ask for the PS price. He isn''t doing anything more for you than a PS vendor would.

Ditto Julie.


My choice is for stone 3.

Hi Lorelei - thanks for your input. I''m a little confused though - you said you agree with Julie but you chose Stone 3 vs Stone 2? Did you mean you agreed with all of her comments but even taking that into consideration you prefer stone 3?

 

[quietforce]

Date: 12/3/2009 5:34:17 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
#3 for me too.


Weird that when I input the proportion into facetware, it returns a Ex cut for it. No reason was given for the down grade on the reportcheck.

Yes, that was what led to the speculation on possible brillianteering that would automatically downgrade the GIA cut but simply might not be referenced in the comments.... all it says in the comments is "Additional clouds are not shown. Surface graining is not shown."

 

[quietforce]

Date: 12/3/2009 2:17:30 AM
Author: JulieN
Well, looks like I haven''t given you my opinion yet.


You are gaining 1% spread over Tolkowsky on stone 1. By the angles, it seems like it would be more, but a 6.60 mm, 1.05 ct stone is only 1% spreadier than Tolkowsky. I don''t really consider a stone to be ''spready'' until it''s about 3% greater. So any decrease in fire, to me, isn''t worth it.


Some misconceptions here. Stone 2 doesn''t possibly have a problem with obstruction because its ''deep.'' Which, it really isn''t deep to begin with. Obstruction usually happens with a shallow pavilion angle. Now, if the symmetry is wonky, yes, you can have some problems. Check to make sure, but when done right, stones of these proportions won''t have a darkness problem.


I''m all for fire, so Stone 2 is my choice.


Questions 1 and 2: your ''wholesaler'' is offering these stones at nearly 10% more than retailers? You absolutely could have seen one of the PS vendors in the NYC DD and gotten the prices listed on PS. Absolutely ask for the PS price. He isn''t doing anything more for you than a PS vendor would.

Thanks Julie. So are you saying that Stone 1 is a bad choice, or that if I notice any less fire it is a bad choice because I''m not getting enough spread in return?

Re: your choice for Stone 2, is that because it is likely to be the most fiery of the three or because of the potential brillianteering on Stone 3 that I mentioned?

Re: your answer to my price question, I wish I had discovered PS earleir, and I wish I had more time! But I do value this guys help and he has an even return/trade/upgrade policy that is helpful for peace of mind. I will mention PS and the online price to him and ask him to come down.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/3/2009 6:49:34 AM
Author: quietforce

Date: 12/3/2009 5:20:12 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 12/3/2009 2:17:30 AM

Author: JulieN

Well, looks like I haven''t given you my opinion yet.


You are gaining 1% spread over Tolkowsky on stone 1. By the angles, it seems like it would be more, but a 6.60 mm, 1.05 ct stone is only 1% spreadier than Tolkowsky. I don''t really consider a stone to be ''spready'' until it''s about 3% greater. So any decrease in fire, to me, isn''t worth it.


Some misconceptions here. Stone 2 doesn''t possibly have a problem with obstruction because its ''deep.'' Which, it really isn''t deep to begin with. Obstruction usually happens with a shallow pavilion angle. Now, if the symmetry is wonky, yes, you can have some problems. Check to make sure, but when done right, stones of these proportions won''t have a darkness problem.


I''m all for fire, so Stone 2 is my choice.


Questions 1 and 2: your ''wholesaler'' is offering these stones at nearly 10% more than retailers? You absolutely could have seen one of the PS vendors in the NYC DD and gotten the prices listed on PS. Absolutely ask for the PS price. He isn''t doing anything more for you than a PS vendor would.

Ditto Julie.


My choice is for stone 3.

Hi Lorelei - thanks for your input. I''m a little confused though - you said you agree with Julie but you chose Stone 3 vs Stone 2? Did you mean you agreed with all of her comments but even taking that into consideration you prefer stone 3?

I was agreeing with Julie for most of her post but would pick diamond 3 for myself, I tried to write it so this was clear but I don''t think I did a very good job!

3 for me!

 

[BobR]

Date: 12/3/2009 12:32:12 AM
Author:quietforce
Hi everyone,

Thanks everyone so much for your advice the last couple of days - I know I will be so much more confident in my decision thanks to PS. I need to select a diamond by this weekend in order to get my ring made in time for a holiday proposal to my GF I''m going to the diamond guy tomorrow - he is a wholesaler in NYC diamond district, I have met with him already and seen these stones which are all ridiculously gorgeous to my untrained eye.

I''ve learned a little bit more about the diamonds I''ve been looking at. Everything I know, including what I''ve learned so far from the great people here on the forum, is summarized below. Sorry for the long post, but hoping anyone with an opinion will jump in and give me additional data points to work with.

These are the three stones I am considering (all are no fl, no culet):

Stone 1
$7400
1.05, G, VS1
Cut Exc
Polish VG
Symmetry VG
HCA Score .9
Depth 60.4
Table 58
Crown angle 32.5
Pavilion angle 41.0
Measurements 6.57 x 6.62 x 3.98
GIA cert 1106181467

I''ve used the AGS cut grade estimator and it gives the stone a 1B grade, mostly penalizing it for the shallow crown angle (which in and of itself gets a 2A rating).

What people on this forum have said:
This seems like a very nice stone with great spread, but is likely to show more brightness at the expense of fire.

My main question:
I really like the spread and visual size of this stone for the price, but do you think I will be giving up a lot of noticeable liveliness and sparkle? Should I be concerned about the shallow angle, and when I go to look at them in person tomorrow is there anything in particular I should be looking for in comparison to the below stones?

Stone 2
$7200
1.03, G, VS1
Cut Exc
Polish VG
Symmetry Exc
HCA Score 1.5
Depth 62.9
Table 54
Crown angle 34.5
Pavilion angle 40.6
Measurements 6.40 x 6.45 x 4.04
GIA cert 5106196611

I''ve used the AGS cut grade estimator and it gives the stone a 1A grade, only penalizing it to the 1B area in one or two areas.

What people on this forum have said:
This seems like the safest bet by the numbers, but it may have some obstruction issues or some dark spots in the center because it seems a little deep.

My main question:
Is this really the safest bet? Should I just buy it and be done with the process?

Stone 3
$7000
1.0, G, VS1
Cut VG
Polish Exc
Symmetry Exc
HCA Score 1.0
Depth 61.9
Table 55
Crown angle 34.0
Pavilion angle 40.8
Measurements 6.39 x 6.43 x 3.97
GIA cert 17263256 (comments are: Additional clouds are not shown; Surface graining is not shown)

I''ve used the AGS cut grade estimator and it gives the stone a straight 1A grade on every single area!!

What people on this forum have said:
This seems like either a fantastic stone or a problem stone. It should be an EXC rating by GIA standards, so the VG rating combined with the exact 1.0 carat makes people think maybe it has some brillianteering. Of course, that brought up the whole painting and digging thing (which I have learned more about in the last 36 hours than I ever thought I would or could!!). It might be a fantastic stone with artful painting to enhance performance. Or it might just be hiding weight.

My main question:
Do I buy it in hopes of scoring the best in the bunch for the cheapest price (even though at $400 difference, I care less about price than getting the right stone), or am I taking too big a risk ? Is there something I can look for under the loop tomorrow?


Overall question 1: Do these seem like good prices?

Overall question 2: I have found 2 of these 3 stones listed online for $500 - $750 less, as part of my research (by GIA report number). Is it bad form to mention this to the diamond seller and ask for him to meet me somewhere in the middle (I recognize that his help and time and the ability to view the diamond in person are worth something)?

Overall question 3: I might just have time to buy one of these and take it to an appraiser to get some tests done (Idealscope, etc) and then swap if I am unhappy. Is it worth the effort, or am I sweating the small stuff on what are essentially three great stones neither I nor my GF will ever notice the difference on?

Thank you all so much for being such an amazing source of excellent information and opinion!

Hi
I don''t have the knowledge or experience these other guys have but, one thing I would say on stone 1, is my wife has a set of 6 (smallI 0.3ct) stones set as earrings and one of those has a 32.5 crown angle (with 55 table and 41.4 pav angle. We think it is the best performing of the 6 stones and cannot see any loss of fire compared to the stones with greater ca. This does go against the experts opinions though. As you can see the stones and compare you should notice the difference, and while this is my ''twopennyworth'' you should give the final decision to your eyes whilst bearing in mind the comments of the experienced guys here.
Good luck
Bob

 

[jet2ks]

I missed the first thread. With a little sleuthing, here is the actual GIA report for #3.
http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/certificate.aspx?idno=1743851&file_name=1

I am also at a loss why it gets VG for cut instead of Ex.

The report check for #2 shows a pavillion angle of 40.8, not 40.6 as posted above.
http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=5106196611&weight=1.03

In spite of the overall depth--due to a slightly thick girdle all the way around, to me #2 is a safer choice, until someone can figure out why #3 got the VG cut grade. Both have grading reports from 2008, which does bring up a couple other questions.

 

[quietforce]

Date: 12/3/2009 9:57:35 AM
Author: jet2ks
I missed the first thread. With a little sleuthing, here is the actual GIA report for #3.

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/certificate.aspx?idno=1743851&file_name=1


I am also at a loss why it gets VG for cut instead of Ex.


The report check for #2 shows a pavillion angle of 40.8, not 40.6 as posted above.

http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=5106196611&weight=1.03


In spite of the overall depth--due to a slightly thick girdle all the way around, to me #2 is a safer choice, until someone can figure out why #3 got the VG cut grade. Both have grading reports from 2008, which does bring up a couple other questions.

You are right - sorry that was a typo on my part. The pav angle on number 2 is 40.8, not 40.6.

Is the grading report from 2008 a concern in the sense that if these were great diamonds they wouldn''t have been floating around this long?

What do you guys think about the idea of picking up number 3 and taking it to a PS approved appraiser nearby for some testing, and then exchanging it if it doesn''t live up to expectations (meaning shows some painting or digging that negatively impacts performance, I guess)?

Thanks everyone again for all of your fantastic help!

 

[quietforce]

Lorelei - you were pretty clear, I was just making 100% sure

Does the fact that I mis-stated the pav angle on number 2 change your opinion at all? It is 40.8, not 40.6.

Thanks!

 

[jet2ks]

Date: 12/3/2009 10:13:15 AM
Author: quietforce

Is the grading report from 2008 a concern in the sense that if these were great diamonds they wouldn''t have been floating around this long?

What do you guys think about the idea of picking up number 3 and taking it to a PS approved appraiser nearby for some testing, and then exchanging it if it doesn''t live up to expectations (meaning shows some painting or digging that negatively impacts performance, I guess)?

Thanks everyone again for all of your fantastic help!

Yes, especially on #3. It is showing up as a virtual listing with multiple vendors and 1ct G VS1 is a highly desireable size/color/clarity combination. Usually a diamond with this combo would be sold very quickly. Now there are many reasons that a diamond with an older report could be back on the market, so it most likely is not cause for alarm, but it does leave me curious.

If the vendor has a good return policy, I think that taking #3 to an independent appraiser is a very good idea, if that is the one that you are most interested in.

 

[quietforce]

Ok... here''s a totally different option. I would feel a bit badly about not going through this guy who helped me in person, and I am nervous about not seeing the diamond firsthand, but I also think I''ve learned a lot from this forum and I want the best for my soon-to-be fiancee.

For the same price range I could be in one of these diamonds from whiteflash:

1.05 G VS2 Ideal:
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2192284.htm

1.018 F VS2 Ideal:
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2192295.htm#

Or one of these from james allen:

1.01 G VS1 Ideal:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1195073.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

1.07 G VS2 Ideal:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1193774.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

Thoughts on that? I would have a lot more information, but I would have no eyes on the stone...

Thanks!

 

[jet2ks]

Date: 12/3/2009 11:45:22 AM
Author: quietforce
Ok... here's a totally different option. I would feel a bit badly about not going through this guy who helped me in person, and I am nervous about not seeing the diamond firsthand, but I also think I've learned a lot from this forum and I want the best for my soon-to-be fiancee.

For the same price range I could be in one of these diamonds from whiteflash:

1.05 G VS2 Ideal:
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2192284.htm

1.018 F VS2 Ideal:
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2192295.htm#

Or one of these from james allen:

1.01 G VS1 Ideal:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1195073.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

1.07 G VS2 Ideal:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1193774.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

Thoughts on that? I would have a lot more information, but I would have no eyes on the stone...

Thanks!

Clickable links for the others.

Any of those four would be an excellent choice. If you want eyes on the stone, call James Allen and set up an appointment to visit them. They have an office in the NYC diamond district. They could bring in these two diamonds, plus one more. You would have the confidence of more info and being able to see them in person, with a great price. I don't see how you would go wrong.

(I like the last JA stone, myself. Combination of price, performance and cut precision makes it a real winner.)

 

[quietforce]

Date: 12/3/2009 12:02:35 PM
Author: jet2ks

Date: 12/3/2009 11:45:22 AM

Author: quietforce

Ok... here''s a totally different option. I would feel a bit badly about not going through this guy who helped me in person, and I am nervous about not seeing the diamond firsthand, but I also think I''ve learned a lot from this forum and I want the best for my soon-to-be fiancee.


For the same price range I could be in one of these diamonds from whiteflash:


1.05 G VS2 Ideal:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2192284.htm


1.018 F VS2 Ideal:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2192295.htm#


Or one of these from james allen:


1.01 G VS1 Ideal:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1195073.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131


1.07 G VS2 Ideal:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1193774.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131


Thoughts on that? I would have a lot more information, but I would have no eyes on the stone...



Thanks!

Clickable links for the others.


Any of those four would be an excellent choice. If you want eyes on the stone, call James Allen and set up an appointment to visit them. They have an office in the NYC diamond district. They could bring in these two diamonds, plus one more. You would have the confidence of more info and being able to see them in person, with a great price. I don''t see how you would go wrong.


(I like the last JA stone, myself. Combination of price, performance and cut precision makes it a real winner.)

You wouldn''t be concerned about the VS2 clarity? That''s the only thing I feel a little weird about, kinda feels like I should be at least at VS1 for an engagement ring... don''t know why...

 

[stone-cold11]

VS2 is mostly eye-clean unless you are eagle-eye or very unlucky. You could just check with the vendor if it is eye-clean to your standard.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/3/2009 12:45:35 PM
Author: quietforce


You wouldn''t be concerned about the VS2 clarity? That''s the only thing I feel a little weird about, kinda feels like I should be at least at VS1 for an engagement ring... don''t know why...

VS2 should be eyeclean, but if you feel VS1 or higher is important to you though then stick with that.

 

[jet2ks]

Date: 12/3/2009 12:45:35 PM
Author: quietforce

You wouldn't be concerned about the VS2 clarity? That's the only thing I feel a little weird about, kinda feels like I should be at least at VS1 for an engagement ring... don't know why...

No, I wouldn't be worried--I bought a VS2 clarity E-ring stone for my wife and plenty of people purchase SI clarity stones, but this isn't about me or them. If it will take VS1 or above to be "mind-clean" for YOU, that is what is important. My suggestion would be to make an appointment with JA, have them bring in these two, plus find one more that you like the looks of on their website. Look all three over in person and see what you think. My guess is you won't be able to tell the difference in the two you picked, other than price. Only you will be able to make the decision you will be happy with.

 

[HVVS]

Date: 12/3/2009 12:45:35 PM
Author: quietforce

You wouldn't be concerned about the VS2 clarity? That's the only thing I feel a little weird about, kinda feels like I should be at least at VS1 for an engagement ring... don't know why...

In the diameter of diamond that you're looking at, a VS2 should be very clean. I have an almost 2ct VS2 RB (8mm) and I can't find anything in it without a good loupe. Many people by SI1 or SI2 for e-rings.

 

[quietforce]

Ok, just to add to the confusion here, now the jeweler I''m using to build the ring has chimed in with a stone!!

Here are the details:

Stone 4
$6900
1.04, G, VS1
Cut Exc
Polish Exc
Symmetry Exc
HCA Score 1.9
Depth 62.3
Table 55
Crown angle 34.5
Pavilion angle 41.0
No Culet
No Fl
Girdle thin to slightly thick
Measurements 6.44 x 6.50 x 4.03
GIA cert 2115372815

The HCA has it as only Exc, vg, vg, vg but the AGS estimator has it at a 1A.

This is the best price for the 4Cs that I''ve been offered thus far. And I think they will give me a discount on the setting if I buy the stone from them. Thoughts????? Help!

 

[quietforce]

Selfish bump - sorry! Any opinions on stone 4?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/3/2009 7:04:57 PM
Author: quietforce
Selfish bump - sorry! Any opinions on stone 4?

It might be fine but it is one of those combos where an image would be very helpful and as it is from a store one won''t be forthcoming...I still prefer stone 3 in the original post.