History between Mark (ERD) and Leon

[risingsun]

A newcomer asked a question on this thread. I don't think she needed to be insulted to make the point. There seems to be judgmental attitude by some posters who have had good experiences with Leon. As if to say, he treated me well, there must be something wrong with you....I've noticed this for quite some time, but haven't spoken up. I should have done so long ago.

 

[iwannaprettyone]

I have worked with neither, but given the chance I would work with either one. Their work is fantastic and as a consumer that is my primary concern.

Also, I wouldn't pick any professional (doctor, lawyer, accounting) based on the quality of their relationships with other's in their industry....so in that respect I don't see how it is relevent to the decision making process.

Leon is not known for his amicable personality but he is a genius. Mark has an incredible eye for stones.

Good luck with your project, you have singled out two amazing vendors...the result should be incredible.

 

[Maisie]

I agree with IWPO. I would work with either one. In fact I am hoping to work with Leon soon.

 

[CDNinNYC]

Date: 11/7/2008 3:03:18 PM
Author: risingsun
A newcomer asked a question on this thread. I don't think she needed to be insulted to make the point. There seems to be judgmental attitude by some posters who have had good experiences with Leon. As if to say, he treated me well, there must be something wrong with you....I've noticed this for quite some time, but haven't spoken up. I should have done so long ago.

I don't think anyone insulted the OP. We were asked the story behind the "history between Mark and Leon". Nobody knows what this history is or it would have been posted by now; all that had been written is speculation. I am one of those PSers who had a good experience with BOTH Leon and Mark. These vendors were professional in my presence; there was no 'bad' history evident to me; why shouldn't I post this?

 

[Deelight]

Date: 11/8/2008 2:29:41 AM
Author: CDNinNYC

Date: 11/7/2008 3:03:18 PM

Author: risingsun

A newcomer asked a question on this thread. I don''t think she needed to be insulted to make the point. There seems to be judgmental attitude by some posters who have had good experiences with Leon. As if to say, he treated me well, there must be something wrong with you....I''ve noticed this for quite some time, but haven''t spoken up. I should have done so long ago.

I don''t think anyone insulted the OP. We were asked the story behind the ''history between Mark and Leon''. Nobody knows what this history is or it would have been posted by now; all that had been written is speculation. I am one of those PSers who had a good experience with BOTH Leon and Mark. These vendors were professional in my presence; there was no ''bad'' history evident to me; why shouldn''t I post this?

I don''t think anyone was being insulting either, but then again thats how I interpret the text whereas other people will interpret things in other ways. Intentions can be misinformed IRL easily enough and more so on the internet where expressions are not evident.

I am one of the people that like I said had an awesome experience with LM however I don''t discount that other people have reported less then stellar experiences with him. Initially because of some of the negative posts I was a little hesitant to deal with but my FI and I took both the good and the bad reports and made an informed choice and were happy with the experience and the product we received.

 

[Harriet]

Touche, CDNinNYC.

Didn''t the subject of the Leon-Mark relationship arise in the context of Leon calling goobear''s lovely diamond "small?" Well, he recently did the same to a rare 5.15 ct coloured stone of mine. A few times. However, he clarified that it was too small for the setting I wanted. Oh, and the gem did not come from Mark.

 

[risingsun]

It has been my observation that those who have had difficulty with Leon are often placed in the position of having to defend themselves. In this thread, the OP was told that in "most social sets" even asking such a question would be considered rude and that if Leon and Mark wanted her to know about their difficulties, they would have told her. I consider this to be condescending to another member of this forum. To be said to a new member is unfortunate.

 

[purrfectpear]

Date: 11/8/2008 10:30:30 AM
Author: risingsun
It has been my observation that those who have had difficulty with Leon are often placed in the position of having to defend themselves. In this thread, the OP was told that in ''most social sets'' even asking such a question would be considered rude and that if Leon and Mark wanted her to know about their difficulties, they would have told her. I consider this to be condescending to another member of this forum. To be said to a new member is unfortunate.

You say condescending, I say accurate.

If the OP has a sincere desire to know the background she will only receive the facts from either of the parties concerned. If you are reluctant to ask, then perhaps you have no need to know

Innuendo and gossip has no place on PS.

 

[risingsun]

Date: 11/8/2008 1:14:53 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 11/8/2008 10:30:30 AM
Author: risingsun
It has been my observation that those who have had difficulty with Leon are often placed in the position of having to defend themselves. In this thread, the OP was told that in 'most social sets' even asking such a question would be considered rude and that if Leon and Mark wanted her to know about their difficulties, they would have told her. I consider this to be condescending to another member of this forum. To be said to a new member is unfortunate.

You say condescending, I say accurate.

If the OP has a sincere desire to know the background she will only receive the facts from either of the parties concerned. If you are reluctant to ask, then perhaps you have no need to know

Innuendo and gossip has no place on PS.

I think that the issue between Mark and Leon has become a customer service concern for some of our members. As such, it should be open for discussion by potential customers. I am not interested in innuendo or gossip, either. As a consumer forum, we ask questions of each other. Accurate can also be tempered with soupcon of tact, no?

I think we will need to agree to disagree, PP.

 

[Skippy123]

Date: 11/8/2008 2:00:36 PM
Author: risingsun

Date: 11/8/2008 1:14:53 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 11/8/2008 10:30:30 AM
Author: risingsun
It has been my observation that those who have had difficulty with Leon are often placed in the position of having to defend themselves. In this thread, the OP was told that in 'most social sets' even asking such a question would be considered rude and that if Leon and Mark wanted her to know about their difficulties, they would have told her. I consider this to be condescending to another member of this forum. To be said to a new member is unfortunate.

You say condescending, I say accurate.

If the OP has a sincere desire to know the background she will only receive the facts from either of the parties concerned. If you are reluctant to ask, then perhaps you have no need to know

Innuendo and gossip has no place on PS.

I think that the issue between Mark and Leon has become a customer service concern for some of our members. As such, it should be open for discussion by potential customers. I am not interested in innuendo or gossip, either. As a consumer forum, we ask questions of each other. Accurate can also be tempered with soupcon of tact, no?

I think we will need to agree to disagree, PP.

Ditto. I think the OP should be able to ask such a question too, we are among friends here so why not?!?!?!

 

[bgray]

there is quite a bot of fascism and bullying that goes on here by many of the members: if someone asks an inappropriate question then i have complete confidence that the moderator will close it or weigh in. otherwise if you deem a question to be irrelevant-dont respond. there are lots of things important to lots of people for all sorts of reasons. we dont need people trying to control what topics are raised and attempting to decide what is not important for people to know or inquire about.................... i could provide plenty of facts about Leons reputation in the industry and my personal experiences but quite frankly i prefer not to. just become people dont want to spread their private business dealings with a vendor on the internet for all to read doesnt mean it is idle gossip or rumor or innuendo to say that one has had bad experiences with a vendor or vendors. plenty of people here have had both good and bad interactions with all vendors here. this forum is no good if people are shouted into submission -and then reluctant to post --by bringing up critical information about popular vendors or asking about various vendors and their history.

 

[crown1]

not a question i would have asked but op has the same rights to ask as others have to make snarky comments and go uncensored for their tone. while many find snarky entertaining all don''t. this question has the same privilege to me.

 

[CDNinNYC]

Date: 11/8/2008 7:23:36 PM
Author: bgray
there is quite a bot of fascism and bullying that goes on here by many of the members: if someone asks an inappropriate question then i have complete confidence that the moderator will close it or weigh in. otherwise if you deem a question to be irrelevant-dont respond. there are lots of things important to lots of people for all sorts of reasons. we dont need people trying to control what topics are raised and attempting to decide what is not important for people to know or inquire about.................... i could provide plenty of facts about Leons reputation in the industry and my personal experiences but quite frankly i prefer not to. just become people dont want to spread their private business dealings with a vendor on the internet for all to read doesnt mean it is idle gossip or rumor or innuendo to say that one has had bad experiences with a vendor or vendors. plenty of people here have had both good and bad interactions with all vendors here. this forum is no good if people are shouted into submission -and then reluctant to post --by bringing up critical information about popular vendors or asking about various vendors and their history.

bgray, I agree completely the OP has every right to ask his/her question. This was never the issue. No one is shouting and no one is trying to prevent critical information about a vendor, whether negative or positive, from coming up. There are plenty of threads from PS members who wrote about their postive and negative experiences. It is these experiences that make Pricescope a great consumer forum.

My point is, I answered the OP''s question based on my experiences; there was no ''negative history'' evident to me in my dealings with Leon and Mark. I had a positive experience and thought the OP would benefit from hearing that. I have yet to hear someone come forth with their experience that demonstrates a ''negative history'' exists. If you or others have information on this negative history, I would hope you would answer the OP''s question and share your experience so others can benefit from it. Until then, any discussion is rumor, is gossip, is innuendo, and is a disservice to PS.

It is unfair of you to call many of us fascists and bullies for discussing our experiences when it has been your decision to bring nothing of your own to the table.

 

[bgray]

Date: 11/8/2008 10:26:53 PM
Author: CDNinNYC

Date: 11/8/2008 7:23:36 PM
Author: bgray
there is quite a bot of fascism and bullying that goes on here by many of the members: if someone asks an inappropriate question then i have complete confidence that the moderator will close it or weigh in. otherwise if you deem a question to be irrelevant-dont respond. there are lots of things important to lots of people for all sorts of reasons. we dont need people trying to control what topics are raised and attempting to decide what is not important for people to know or inquire about.................... i could provide plenty of facts about Leons reputation in the industry and my personal experiences but quite frankly i prefer not to. just become people dont want to spread their private business dealings with a vendor on the internet for all to read doesnt mean it is idle gossip or rumor or innuendo to say that one has had bad experiences with a vendor or vendors. plenty of people here have had both good and bad interactions with all vendors here. this forum is no good if people are shouted into submission -and then reluctant to post --by bringing up critical information about popular vendors or asking about various vendors and their history.

bgray, I agree completely the OP has every right to ask his/her question. This was never the issue. No one is shouting and no one is trying to prevent critical information about a vendor, whether negative or positive, from coming up. There are plenty of threads from PS members who wrote about their postive and negative experiences. It is these experiences that make Pricescope a great consumer forum.

My point is, I answered the OP''s question based on my experiences; there was no ''negative history'' evident to me in my dealings with Leon and Mark. I had a positive experience and thought the OP would benefit from hearing that. I have yet to hear someone come forth with their experience that demonstrates a ''negative history'' exists. If you or others have information on this negative history, I would hope you would answer the OP''s question and share your experience so others can benefit from it. Until then, any discussion is rumor, is gossip, is innuendo, and is a disservice to PS.

It is unfair of you to call many of us fascists and bullies for discussing our experiences when it has been your decision to bring nothing of your own to the table.

you have many fair points--i chose not to go into detail about my own experiences -i was only defending the OPs right to ask the question. some of the respondants were nasty and dismissive and i didnt think it was fair or appropriate

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Date: 11/8/2008 1:14:53 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 11/8/2008 10:30:30 AM
Author: risingsun
It has been my observation that those who have had difficulty with Leon are often placed in the position of having to defend themselves. In this thread, the OP was told that in ''most social sets'' even asking such a question would be considered rude and that if Leon and Mark wanted her to know about their difficulties, they would have told her. I consider this to be condescending to another member of this forum. To be said to a new member is unfortunate.

You say condescending, I say accurate.

If the OP has a sincere desire to know the background she will only receive the facts from either of the parties concerned. If you are reluctant to ask, then perhaps you have no need to know

Innuendo and gossip has no place on PS.

Pear, sometimes you do come off very condescending...and it can be hurtful to some people who may not have been blessed with skin as thick as yours...

My Mom imparted wisdom to me years ago...and in this moment I feel the urge to pass it on...if you don''t have anything nice or condusive to say, don''t say anything at all.

The OP asked a direct question...if you don''t know the answer, or don''t feel its anyones business, then why go out of your way to "school" her? What exactly do you--or anyone else for that matter--gain from that imput?

 

[Dreamer1116]

After reading everyone''s post--I think what it really comes down to is being TACTFUL when responding to anyone''s question or when giving advice. Whether we agree or disagree that Sofin''s question is legitimate, ''any of his/her business'', or appropriate, his/her question or concern should be met by all of us with Tact.

 

[Cosmo_Gal]

I agree that Sofin''s concern is a legitimate one. I do believe, however, that if her post was worded differently she wouldn''t have gotten a lot of the responses she received. Had she asked about the experiences of working with both men and not specifically about the "beef" between then she would have gotten a kinder response. I think everyone is entitled to hear both positive and negative sides to working with a specific jeweler. From there, it''s that person''s choice to either work with them or not. If I heard a mix of both negative and positive, I would be more inclined to see for myself. Whereas if I heard a lot of negative comments I would probably avoid working with that jeweler. I think it''s fair to give an honest opinion about your experience with them professionally, but agree there''s no room for gossip.