hidden culet and GIA inscription?

[chloeqiu]

So I purchased my heart shaped diamond and the setting both from Adiamor. here is the link to the diamond: https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/Details/D44664281?q=44664281
and the setting style is FRENCH CUT BASKET SETTING DIAMONDS 1/2 WAY PLATINUM: https://www.adiamor.com/Engagement-...Basket-Setting-Diamonds-1-2-way/Platinum/1703.
After I received the ring, I found out that the GIA inscription was hidden under the left lower side prong, I was only able to see last 2 numbers. Is it a problem? should I trust adiamor even without checking the GIA inscription? The second problem is that the culet has been hidden in the setting. so when I look at the diamond under 60x magnifier I found that a grey circle in the middle of the diamond. I was told by Adiamor that it is the reflection of the metal, not because the culet has been damaged. How can I know? then I noticed that even without maginifer, I could still see the grey circle at some angle under natrual light.
Any advises? I don't have much experience in buying diamonds. Thank you in advance!

 

[monipod]

Hmmm... I don't know enough about fancy cuts but I would have thought most hearts are modern cuts and wouldn't have a culet? Does its GIA report have a comment about the culet?

I have an old mind cut with a culet (which is normal) and as it's set over the metal band, I can see the colour of the metal looking straight down but it's not that obvious to me.

As for the inscription, I guess you should try and keep it visible as much as possible so you can check against it should it ever get stolen and recovered.

 

[chloeqiu]

Hmmm... I don't know enough about fancy cuts but I would have thought most hearts are modern cuts and wouldn't have a culet? Does its GIA report have a comment about the culet?

I have an old mind cut with a culet (which is normal) and as it's set over the metal band, I can see the colour of the metal looking straight down but it's not that obvious to me.

As for the inscription, I guess you should try and keep it visible as much as possible so you can check against it should it ever get stolen and recovered.

thank you for your response! yes the GIA report states that the culet is NONE. my concern is that since that point is been hidden in the hole of the metal, how should I know if it is none or damaged? especially that grey circle in the middle of the diamond. is it just the reflection of the hole?

 

[Bron357]

Hmmm.
I wouldn’t worry about losing view of all the GIA number, unlike with a round shape, with a heart shape you can’t turn the diamond to avoid a prong covering it.
Looking at your setting choice, it seems to be a basket type so I’m not sure why the bottom of your diamond is concealed from view?
Can you post up a “side on view” and a view looking out from inside? See me eg.
My concern would be that the bottom of the diamond has been damaged or the finish of the setting is poor and being reflected into the face. Either way, you should be happy with how your diamond looks and your purchase.

 

[flyingpig]

I do not think that is a culet.
Look at the last photo. You can see the pavilion main facets extending all the way to the centre and forming pointy tips. You will not see this feature there is a culet.

 

[tyty333]

I would not worry about the GIA report number being mostly hidden. For one thing, it is pretty unique (unlike a round).

What magnification are you using to see the culet? GIA uses 10x to see/grade the cutlet.

Can you post the GIA report? Did you buy this stone without any images? If so, looks like you lucked out!

 

[Texas Leaguer]

For complete peace of mind you should consider getting a consultation from a qualified independent jewelry professional. He/She can verify the diamond with measurements and stone plot from the lab report and check for possible damage to the culet or other factors that you might be interested in about the stone.

Once you have the verification, being able to see the last two numbers will provide you plenty of self verification in the future. As @tyty333 mentioned, the combo of unique shape and partial inscription is sufficient.

If you are not local to such an independent expert, there are several here that could help you. @denverappraiser @oldminer

 

[Karl_K]

The 2 numbers is enough to id it in my opinion.
A lot of heart cuts optically show what looks like an open culet when it is actually closed.

 

[chloeqiu]

Hmmm.
I wouldn’t worry about losing view of all the GIA number, unlike with a round shape, with a heart shape you can’t turn the diamond to avoid a prong covering it.
Looking at your setting choice, it seems to be a basket type so I’m not sure why the bottom of your diamond is concealed from view?
Can you post up a “side on view” and a view looking out from inside? See me eg.
My concern would be that the bottom of the diamond has been damaged or the finish of the setting is poor and being reflected into the face. Either way, you should be happy with how your diamond looks and your purchase.

Hi there, I took some photos of the ring. As you can see the bottom of the diamond is hidden in the setting. Not able to see it. Do you think it’s a problem? Thank you!

 

[chloeqiu]

I do not think that is a culet.
Look at the last photo. You can see the pavilion main facets extending all the way to the centre and forming pointy tips. You will not see this feature there is a culet.

Thank you for your opinion! Do you think this is a bad setting? Should I change a new one with the bottom of the diamond not hidden in the hole?

 

[chloeqiu]

I would not worry about the GIA report number being mostly hidden. For one thing, it is pretty unique (unlike a round).

What magnification are you using to see the culet? GIA uses 10x to see/grade the cutlet.

Can you post the GIA report? Did you buy this stone without any images? If so, looks like you lucked out!

Hi I purchased the magnifier from amazon. It says it’s a 30x & 60x illuminated jewelry magnifier but it was so hard for me to see the last two numbers of GIA inscription even using 60x. Maybe because I’m not an expert . As to the culet I was not able to see it even under 60x since it’s in the hole.

the Gia number is 6341654821. When I bought the diamond the website had a 360 video. I thought that would be enough? Correct me if I’m wrong. Thank you!

 

[chloeqiu]

For complete peace of mind you should consider getting a consultation from a qualified independent jewelry professional. He/She can verify the diamond with measurements and stone plot from the lab report and check for possible damage to the culet or other factors that you might be interested in about the stone.

Once you have the verification, being able to see the last two numbers will provide you plenty of self verification in the future. As @tyty333 mentioned, the combo of unique shape and partial inscription is sufficient.

If you are not local to such an independent expert, there are several here that could help you. @denverappraiser @oldminer

Thank you so much for your suggestions! I’m in NY and right now everything is been shut down. I don’t know any local jewelers either. I will contact the experts you mentioned to get a examination.

as to the setting, do you think it’s bad? I was considering returning it because I don’t like the idea of hiding the bottom in the setting. Or Do you think it is safer to hide and protect it? Thank you!

 

[Polabowla]

I'm curious/puzzled about that grey circle you see?
Could it really just be the reflection of the setting? Why would it cause a circle?

 

[Bron357]

Ok, ts the setting. You are seeing the metal work.
Rather weird though that they seem to have almost “squished” the diamond into that setting.
The setting is very beautiful but maybe it’s a tad too small depth wise?
The other problem going forward will be that invariably “gunk” will find its way into the base section and it will be nigh impossible to clean out.
My thoughts are if this is causing you upset now, it will only get worse as time passes. You don’t want to be looking down at your beautiful ring and only seeing / focusing on that grey blob at the base / centre of your diamond.
Now would be the time to speak to the vendor and work out a resolution..

 

[tyty333]

Dont return the setting (unless you dont like it)! It is very pretty in my opinion. It is better to have the culet protected. Do you see
the culet without a loupe? I personally think you are worrying for nothing but agree with TL to have it look at by an unbiased appraiser
for peace of mind. If the culet is way low in the head of the basket, it could be reflecting the metal that is close to it. Does that make
sense?

Do you have the link back to the video for us to take a look at? That might be helpful.

GIA link if anyone wants to look

GIA - Report Check

www.gia.edu

I agree with @flyingpig . Here is what he is talking about in red. You can see that the facet goes all the way
down into the center area.

 

[chloeqiu]

Dont return the setting (unless you dont like it)! It is very pretty in my opinion. It is better to have the culet protected. Do you see
the culet without a loupe? I personally think you are worrying for nothing but agree with TL to have it look at by an unbiased appraiser
for peace of mind. If the culet is way low in the head of the basket, it could be reflecting the metal that is close to it. Does that make
sense?

Do you have the link back to the video for us to take a look at? That might be helpful.

GIA link if anyone wants to look

GIA - Report Check

www.gia.edu

I agree with @flyingpig . Here is what he is talking about in red. You can see that the facet goes all the way
down into the center area.

thank you @tyty333. As long as the diamond is fine I feel relieved since I really like this diamond. but I couldn't see the culet without a loupe. even with the loupe I couldn't see anything except the metal reflection. I guess the setting might be way too low? This setting is pretty and beautiful but I guess I'm being nit-picking lol.

as to the video the vendor might has deleted it from the webpage since this diamond is sold. I will try to get it from them and post it here.

thank you and @flyingpig again! you really helped a lot! I do appreciate!

 

[chloeqiu]

Ok, ts the setting. You are seeing the metal work.
Rather weird though that they seem to have almost “squished” the diamond into that setting.
The setting is very beautiful but maybe it’s a tad too small depth wise?
The other problem going forward will be that invariably “gunk” will find its way into the base section and it will be nigh impossible to clean out.
My thoughts are if this is causing you upset now, it will only get worse as time passes. You don’t want to be looking down at your beautiful ring and only seeing / focusing on that grey blob at the base / centre of your diamond.
Now would be the time to speak to the vendor and work out a resolution..

right "squished". that's exactly what I wanted to say! And thank you for your reminder about how to clean out and how I might be even more upset as time pass by. I actually talked to Adiamor and they will charge $150 non-refundable to rebuilt the setting the way I want (with bottom not hidden). I'm still under consideration about the idea of rebuilt. I'm kinda of hesitated maybe I should hire sb to exam the ring first.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

I think you get it that we do not understand what is worrying you.
The setting looks great, the thing you identify is not the culet - sometimes under magnification the GIA laser shows as a weird inclusion - and hearts do strange things with reflections from unlikely places.

Question - why are you concerned? There must be something we are missing?
Buyers remorse ???
You thought it would look bigger like the stone on your monster computer screen??

 

[chloeqiu]

The 2 numbers is enough to id it in my opinion.
A lot of heart cuts optically show what looks like an open culet when it is actually closed.

Thank you Karl!

 

[Polabowla]

I have seen another heart diamond (diff setting type) also have a grey half moon ontop & I remember wondering back then what it was.
Maybe it was the setting there too?

 

[chloeqiu]

I have seen another heart diamond (diff setting type) also have a grey half moon ontop & I remember wondering back then what it was.
Maybe it was the setting there too?

I guess so. As @flyingpig said if the culet is damaged there couldn't be the facet. Guess what, there are still so much to learn about diamonds! Thankfully I asked those questions and learned new things.

 

[tyty333]

Let us know if you decide to have the stone set a little higher.

 

[flyingpig]

Thank you for your opinion! Do you think this is a bad setting? Should I change a new one with the bottom of the diamond not hidden in the hole?

I could still see the grey circle at some angle under natrual light

I do not think it has anything to do with the setting. Instead, I think it is the table reflection.

 

[chloeqiu]

I do not think it has anything to do with the setting. Instead, I think it is the table reflection.

I'm sorry but what is table reflection?

 

[flyingpig]

I'm sorry but what is table reflection?

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This True Hearts TM diamond, 1.05 carat H color si1 clarity has ideal proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

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0.30 Carat round diamond

This 0.3 carat round diamond H color vs2 clarity has Good proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

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The white circle in the centre is called table reflection. The size can vary depending on the table and pavilion %. Some people mistakenly think it as an open culet. It is not.

Your is a heart brilliant cut. It is hard to tell, but if the inner circle/hole goes on and offf from certain angles or in some lighting conditions, it may be table reflection

Regardless, I agree with @tyty333. I think you are lucky. I like your diamond. (I am not a fan of heart brilliants in general)

 

[kenny]

The drawing of the bottom of the diamond on the GIA report shows there is a round culet.
It must be very tiny because it is hard to make out in the photograph.

 

[chloeqiu]

1.05 Carat round diamond

This True Hearts TM diamond, 1.05 carat H color si1 clarity has ideal proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

0.30 Carat round diamond

This 0.3 carat round diamond H color vs2 clarity has Good proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

The white circle in the centre is called table reflection. The size can vary depending on the table and pavilion %. Some people mistakenly think it as an open culet. It is not.

Your is a heart brilliant cut. It is hard to tell, but if the inner circle/hole goes on and offf from certain angles or in some lighting conditions, it may be table reflection

Regardless, I agree with @tyty333. I think you are lucky. I like your diamond. (I am not a fan of heart brilliants in general)

I saw the website posted an image of this diamond. Can you take a look? I didn't see the reflection in the image. @tyty333 @flyingpig

1.01 Carat E VS1 Heart Natural Diamond GIA Certified 6341654821 Excellent Cut - D44664281

www.adiamor.com

 

[chloeqiu]

The drawing of the bottom of the diamond on the GIA report shows there is a round culet.
It must be very tiny because it is hard to make out in the photograph.

thank you Kenny. the report states the culet is none. I just want to make sure what that grey area is.

 

[flyingpig]

I saw the website posted an image of this diamond. Can you take a look? I didn't see the reflection in the image. @tyty333 @flyingpig

1.01 Carat E VS1 Heart Natural Diamond GIA Certified 6341654821 Excellent Cut - D44664281

www.adiamor.com

It is hard to say what is exactly happening in the centre. But as Karl said, and in many diamonds, that light reflection pattern in the centre is very common.

But two things are certain.
1. The diamond has pointed/none culet.
2. The diamond has very little light leakage for a heart brilliant cut with chunky and well defined facets. It is beautiful.

Stop worrying.

 

[chloeqiu]

It is hard to say what is exactly happening in the centre. But as Karl said, and in many diamonds, that light reflection pattern in the centre is very common.

But two things are certain.
1. The diamond has pointed/none culet.
2. The diamond has very little light leakage for a heart brilliant cut with chunky and well defined facets. It is beautiful.

Stop worrying.

got it. thank you so much!