Help with very strong fluorescence diamond! Thanks!

[jolin]

I am thinking about purchasing this diamond online. It is IF with color F but with very strong fluorescence. I have never seen a very strong fluorescence diamond in person. I don't mind it glow blue or purple under sunlight but I do not want a milky or oily diamond. Can you tell from the picture if the diamond is going to look milky or oily? Thank you very much for your help.

 

[SMC]

You won't be able to tell from just a picture. The best way to tell is to take it outside and look at it in outdoors lighting. Can you ask the jeweler if fluoro has any negative effect on the diamond? It's quite rare for fluoro to have a negative effect on a diamond, but the chances of it being negative go up with the higher colors.

 

[jolin]

You won't be able to tell from just a picture. The best way to tell is to take it outside and look at it in outdoors lighting. Can you ask the jeweler if fluoro has any negative effect on the diamond? It's quite rare for fluoro to have a negative effect on a diamond, but the chances of it being negative go up with the higher colors.

Thanks for your quick reply. I have asked the jeweler this question, their reply was it looks slightly blue with naked eye. They didn't tell me under what lighting environment this was observed. Also, this diamond is currently located in India. So the jeweler in US can not answer my question directly. But the jeweler did say the vendor checked the diamond indoors and made this observation. Another question I have is should I be concerned this diamond is oversea? Thanks.

 

[jolin]

Also, how do you feel about this cut? It is considered excellent by the jeweler. The GIA report shows it has excellent symmetry and polish. Table is 62% depth is 65%. Thanks.

 

[SMC]

Sorry, I don't know anything about step cuts. There are people on this forum like Chrono who might be able to give her opinion. If she doesn't weigh in, you should start a new thread and title it "Calling Emerald Cut Experts!" to catch emerald cut experts' opinions.

I think you really need to clarify with them whether the fluoro has a negative effect or not. If it already looks blue indoors, I can imagine that it MAY look milky outdoors.

 

[Christina...]

It's also impossible to judge the stones performance without an ASET. The stone has a very nice shape and the steps around the corners look nice and well developed, but on the body they don't appear as defined to me. This could very much just be because of the photography, did they send you other pics as well? I find that video is the best with step cuts because it enables you to see if the steps light up and walk as the stone moves if that makes sense.

I'd inquire about the impact of the fluorescence and ask for an ASET, if they don't have access to ASET then I would want to see a video.

 

[jolin]

Sorry, I don't know anything about step cuts. There are people on this forum like Chrono who might be able to give her opinion. If she doesn't weigh in, you should start a new thread and title it "Calling Emerald Cut Experts!" to catch emerald cut experts' opinions.

I think you really need to clarify with them whether the fluoro has a negative effect or not. If it already looks blue indoors, I can imagine that it MAY look milky outdoors.

Thanks for the advice. Your comment about the blue color is exactly what I really fear. I really hope that is not the case

 

[jolin]

It's also impossible to judge the stones performance without an ASET. The stone has a very nice shape and the steps around the corners look nice and well developed, but on the body they don't appear as defined to me. This could very much just be because of the photography, did they send you other pics as well? I find that video is the best with step cuts because it enables you to see if the steps light up and walk as the stone moves if that makes sense.

I'd inquire about the impact of the fluorescence and ask for an ASET, if they don't have access to ASET then I would want to see a video.

I just emailed the jeweler requesting either an aset or a video. Hopefully they will cooperate...fingers crossed. You are absolutely right about the blurry facets. Initially I thought it was due to the overblue of the diamond. But I guess it could be due to the photography. A video will definitely clear that up. Also, from this picture, I really don't see any blue tone in the diamond. Does any one see any blue in this picture?

 

[Christina...]

I prefer to view the diamond on a white background as opposed to a black one when I viewing color, I find judging performance and locating inclusions easier on a dark background though, but thats just personal opinion, others probably feel a variety of ways. You could send off another email asking that they take another photo on a light background if you wanted, but personally I would prefer that the video be against a dark one, I think it will help us better see if all the steps light up.

I wouldn't get too anxious about the fluorescence yet, it likely won't impact the stone other than turning it a really cool blue in certain lighting conditions. I think the statics are something like, only 1/3 of all diamonds exhibit some level of fluor. of those only 10% will negatively affect the stone. It's a very small number even if my figures aren't correct. Are you buying with a good return policy in place? If you are unhappy with the stone for ANY reason, you should have the ability to send it back and begin your search again, with another vendor even, if you so choose.

There are several PSer with a very keen eye for step cuts, Gypsy, Chrono and our resident expert KarlK come to mind, I'm sure that they will see your thread at some point, but like sortmon mentioned, if you want info specifically on the cut of the stone, you may want to start a new thread or rename this one to 'opinions on EC cut and fluorescence'...or something similar.

 

[Christina...]

You won't be able to tell from just a picture. The best way to tell is to take it outside and look at it in outdoors lighting. Can you ask the jeweler if fluoro has any negative effect on the diamond? It's quite rare for fluoro to have a negative effect on a diamond, but the chances of it being negative go up with the higher colors.

Thanks for your quick reply. I have asked the jeweler this question, their reply was it looks slightly blue with naked eye. They didn't tell me under what lighting environment this was observed. Also, this diamond is currently located in India. So the jeweler in US can not answer my question directly. But the jeweler did say the vendor checked the diamond indoors and made this observation. Another question I have is should I be concerned this diamond is oversea? Thanks.

There are a lot of online vendors that are drop shippers, meaning that they never actually see the diamond before shipping it off to you. When you have questions or concerns, they simply forward an email to the dealer holding the stone and ask his opinion. Of course he wants to sell the stone so likely has a biased opinion, but it's also unlikely that he wants the see the diamond shipped back to him. I think that you should determine if your particular vendor is a drop shipper, or if it's possible for them to call the stone in and take a look for you. Do they have a gemologist on staff that can assess the stone and answer your questions? I mentioned above the importance of a return policy so I would double check on that and if the they offer a 100% money back (no restocking fee) or if they will only exchange the stone for you. Is your vendor a PS vendor?

 

[jolin]

I prefer to view the diamond on a white background as opposed to a black one when I viewing color, I find judging performance and locating inclusions easier on a dark background though, but thats just personal opinion, others probably feel a variety of ways. You could send off another email asking that they take another photo on a light background if you wanted, but personally I would prefer that the video be against a dark one, I think it will help us better see if all the steps light up.

I wouldn't get too anxious about the fluorescence yet, it likely won't impact the stone other than turning it a really cool blue in certain lighting conditions. I think the statics are something like, only 1/3 of all diamonds exhibit some level of fluor. of those only 10% will negatively affect the stone. It's a very small number even if my figures aren't correct. Are you buying with a good return policy in place? If you are unhappy with the stone for ANY reason, you should have the ability to send it back and begin your search again, with another vendor even, if you so choose.

There are several PSer with a very keen eye for step cuts, Gypsy, Chrono and our resident expert KarlK come to mind, I'm sure that they will see your thread at some point, but like sortmon mentioned, if you want info specifically on the cut of the stone, you may want to start a new thread or rename this one to 'opinions on EC cut and fluorescence'...or something similar.

Thank you Christina! You've been so helpful! Yes, they have a very good return policy. I was thinking may be I should just buy it and if I don't like it I can just return it.

 

[jolin]

You won't be able to tell from just a picture. The best way to tell is to take it outside and look at it in outdoors lighting. Can you ask the jeweler if fluoro has any negative effect on the diamond? It's quite rare for fluoro to have a negative effect on a diamond, but the chances of it being negative go up with the higher colors.

Thanks for your quick reply. I have asked the jeweler this question, their reply was it looks slightly blue with naked eye. They didn't tell me under what lighting environment this was observed. Also, this diamond is currently located in India. So the jeweler in US can not answer my question directly. But the jeweler did say the vendor checked the diamond indoors and made this observation. Another question I have is should I be concerned this diamond is oversea? Thanks.

There are a lot of online vendors that are drop shippers, meaning that they never actually see the diamond before shipping it off to you. When you have questions or concerns, they simply forward an email to the dealer holding the stone and ask his opinion. Of course he wants to sell the stone so likely has a biased opinion, but it's also unlikely that he wants the see the diamond shipped back to him. I think that you should determine if your particular vendor is a drop shipper, or if it's possible for them to call the stone in and take a look for you. Do they have a gemologist on staff that can assess the stone and answer your questions? I mentioned above the importance of a return policy so I would double check on that and if the they offer a 100% money back (no restocking fee) or if they will only exchange the stone for you. Is your vendor a PS vendor?

I believe they are drop shippers. It appears that all diamond related questions are directed to the vendor oversea. Thanks for the reminder! There is no restocking fee. What is a PS vendor?

 

[Christina...]

It can get expensive shipping stone back and forth if they don't have free shipping, si I think I'd wait and see if they are able to get you the additional information before placing the order. A prricescope vendor is a vendor that is endorsed by this forum because of their proffessionalism.integrity. trustworthyness and customer service. They are vendors that we have all used and highly recommend to consumers searching for a reputable vendor. There are many other vendors out there of course that are very trustworthy and are recommended on these boards often that aren't labeled as a PS vendor so if your particular vendor isn't listed it doesn't mean you shouldn't use them. However it can be beneficial to name your vendor so that anyone on these boards having had an experience can either vouch for them or warn you away. There was a thread recently were a member purchased a ring from a non PS vendor and ended up with some fraudulent activity on his cc and a ring with severe issues with it. Turns out that same vendor was accused of refusing to refund a huge amount of money to someone else whom had canceled an order. Things like this happen very infrequently but its important to do your research first to protect yourself. PS vendors also often offer discounts to Ps members so if your vendor is listed you should inquire.


EDIT. Sorry for all the typos. My laptop froze up so I moved onto my kindle....typing with thumbs obviously isn't a talent.

 

[SMC]

I agree with Christina. Just give the name of your vendor and we'll see if people here have experience with them.

 

[Niel]

I'm really hoping this works out. Strong blue is the best and I think it looking a little blue in doors is a quality k would want. Reaaallly hope this works. Can he take a PIC in direct sunlight? I don't know which vendor this is so I don't know if that's possible. I say get it home and look if it has a good return pol

 

[chrono]

If the vendor you are using doesn't have an ASET, a video is the next best thing.

 

[jolin]

It can get expensive shipping stone back and forth if they don't have free shipping, si I think I'd wait and see if they are able to get you the additional information before placing the order. A prricescope vendor is a vendor that is endorsed by this forum because of their proffessionalism.integrity. trustworthyness and customer service. They are vendors that we have all used and highly recommend to consumers searching for a reputable vendor. There are many other vendors out there of course that are very trustworthy and are recommended on these boards often that aren't labeled as a PS vendor so if your particular vendor isn't listed it doesn't mean you shouldn't use them. However it can be beneficial to name your vendor so that anyone on these boards having had an experience can either vouch for them or warn you away. There was a thread recently were a member purchased a ring from a non PS vendor and ended up with some fraudulent activity on his cc and a ring with severe issues with it. Turns out that same vendor was accused of refusing to refund a huge amount of money to someone else whom had canceled an order. Things like this happen very infrequently but its important to do your research first to protect yourself. PS vendors also often offer discounts to Ps members so if your vendor is listed you should inquire.


EDIT. Sorry for all the typos. My laptop froze up so I moved onto my kindle....typing with thumbs obviously isn't a talent.

Now that I know what PS vendor means, I believe this webstore is a pricescope vendor. This stone is sold by b2cjewels.

 

[jolin]

If the vendor you are using doesn't have an ASET, a video is the next best thing.

Thanks Chrono! I have heard you are one of the experts on emerald cuts I know it is hard to determine the quality of the cut by just looking at a picture, but I am really dieing to hear your thoughts on this stone!

 

[SMC]

There have been plenty of people here who have used and liked B2C. I believe B2C can provide with you an ASET for most stones. Did they say that it wasn't possible with this one? Do you have a GIA number for the stone?

If you can't get a stone or video, but you think you will like the stone, then it's worth taking the shipping fee risk and seeing it for yourself. I'm not as familiar with B2C but I'm assuming they have a full refund policy?

 

[jolin]

I'm really hoping this works out. Strong blue is the best and I think it looking a little blue in doors is a quality k would want. Reaaallly hope this works. Can he take a PIC in direct sunlight? I don't know which vendor this is so I don't know if that's possible. I say get it home and look if it has a good return pol

I did request a pic in direct sunlight, but they just send me the this one. I am really leaning towards just buying it.

 

[jolin]

There have been plenty of people here who have used and liked B2C. I believe B2C can provide with you an ASET for most stones. Did they say that it wasn't possible with this one? Do you have a GIA number for the stone?

If you can't get a stone or video, but you think you will like the stone, then it's worth taking the shipping fee risk and seeing it for yourself. I'm not as familiar with B2C but I'm assuming they have a full refund policy?

Thanks for your reply sortmon. B2C does not have the ASET since the diamond is overseas. They will have to wait till tomorrow to know if that is available. Their return policy is very reasonable, 30 days full refund. Shipping is free both ways.

 

[MrSpencer]

Personally, I would not consider an IF clarity with strong fluorescence. Fluorescence can make the diamond turn hazy under sunlight, which defeats the purpose of paying a high premium for that IF clarity.

 

[Christina...]

Personally, I would not consider an IF clarity with strong fluorescence. Fluorescence can make the diamond turn hazy under sunlight, which defeats the purpose of paying a high premium for that IF clarity.

It's quite uncommon for fluorescence to have a negative impact on a diamond. Each stone needs to be evaluated individually. The stones clarity really has nothing to do with it, if the stone is negatively impacted then OP should move on, but I wouldn't pass on this one without more information.

 

[ecf8503]

Personally, I would not consider an IF clarity with strong fluorescence. Fluorescence can make the diamond turn hazy under sunlight, which defeats the purpose of paying a high premium for that IF clarity.

It's quite uncommon for fluorescence to have a negative impact on a diamond. Each stone needs to be evaluated individually. The stones clarity really has nothing to do with it, if the stone is negatively impacted then OP should move on, but I wouldn't pass on this one without more information.

Agreed. I have a D w/ SBF and I love it - no negative impact. Fluor isn't by definition "bad" - in fact overblue stones were once highly coveted!

 

[chrono]

Not every stone with SBF is going to look milky with whatever clarity (IF or less). I would evaluate this on a stone by stone basis, especially since the vendor offers a generous return policy.

 

[jolin]

Here is the ASET image. Looks like it has a lot of leakage Can you still consider this as an excellent cut, as b2c described it on their website? The price for this diamond is $3627 for 0.97 ct. Do you think this is a good buy?

 

[ariel144]

On one of Jon's videos (Good Old Gold) in dealing with fl. he stated that in 99% of stones with fl. it has NO negative effect. If the stone has a blue tone in indoor lighting that would be a very good effect IMO. Blue diamonds are one of the most rare colors in diamonds and the price reflects that.

I would ask for a written guarantee that the fl. gives this stone no oily or milky appearance in any lighting and if found to have this the jeweler will pay any return shipping cost.

As stated by others it is best to get an ASET image or video to check for leakage which will affect the performance. Hope it works out. Would love a stone with very strong/strong/med. blue fl.

 

[ariel144]

That is a lot of white/leakage under the table, but i will let the expert step cut PSr's post their opinion as whether they suggest you purchase this stone.

You can go to GOG and compare to the ASETs of their inventoried step cuts

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamondResults.php?shape=16384&resultsColumns=268435471

Not every diamond is perfect. With the very strong blue fl. that would give this stone personality, it would be tempting to me since it fits your budget.

 

[jolin]

On one of Jon's videos (Good Old Gold) in dealing with fl. he stated that in 99% of stones with fl. it has NO negative effect. If the stone has a blue tone in indoor lighting that would be a very good effect IMO. Blue diamonds are one of the most rare colors in diamonds and the price reflects that.

I would ask for a written guarantee that the fl. gives this stone no oily or milky appearance in any lighting and if found to have this the jeweler will pay any return shipping cost.

As stated by others it is best to get an ASET image or video to check for leakage which will affect the performance. Hope it works out. Would love a stone with very strong/strong/med. blue fl.

Thanks ariel! unfortunately the ASET image shows it has a lot leakage. They did state the stone shows no oily or milky appearance in their email. And their return policy is really good. So I couldn't resist the temptation and bought it before I saw this ASET image. Although the ASET shows a lot of leakage, do you think there is still a chance it might look okay?

 

[chrono]

Do you have a bigger ASET picture?