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Help with picking an Asscher Diamond

Which 1 or 2 is your favorite?

  • 1) 1.91 ct, F, VVS1

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 2) 1.64 ct, F, VVS2

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 3) 1.90 ct, G, VVS2

    Votes: 2 28.6%

  • 4) 1.72 ct, G, VVS1

    Votes: 2 28.6%

  • 5) 1.51 ct, G, VVS1

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 6) 1.60 ct, G, VVS1

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 7) 2.01 ct, G, VVS2

    Votes: 5 71.4%
  • Total voters
    7
Example of “don’t judge a diamond by its Certificate”:
JA 1.80EVVS2
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This diamond’s table% is greater than it’s depth%.
It’s actually quite nice, and does not have a completely dead center because it is cut well; its pavilion angles & crown angles are complimentary, and rescue it from being a potential disaster.
However, you’ll notice the dark square circling the center.
ASET required for comparison, and to rule out.
(More to follow)
 
JA 1.72GVVS2
Another beauty, with contrast.
Broad facet pattern, makes it look a bit “chunky”, but still very deliberate & crisp.
The l x w ratio on this baby doesn’t get any better (1.00:1) for a perfectly square diamond.
ASET is necessary for comparison. Place on Hold, immediately.5E719381-89FE-4C32-B803-66E3CC1D2C17.png C01DA9FE-8FB0-4EC3-9BAB-5A6A2F329B69.png
(More to follow)
 
JA 1.46FVVS1:

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As for the rest, they are nice, but not particularly turning me on, for one reason or another. This all pertains to preference, which varies per person pertaining to fancy cut diamonds.
If any of them tickle you, you should place them on HOLD, IMMEDIATELY, and request ASETs...NOW. JA will provide 3 ASETs per email address. I suggest you use multiple email addresses to get as much visual aid info you can gather on every stone you consider.
Never judge a diamond by its cert; you just may miss out on a “unicorn”. ;)2

Act NOW!! Lurkers will swipe these up before you have a moment to blink!!!
 
Shout out to @ILikeShiny!!! Great work finding so many!!! These are not so abundant (at least not the really good ones!)!!!
 
I really really like the cut of the IDJ for it’s chunky precise beauty. I would definitely want an aset however to check that center. Just let me disclaim OP that I am an asscher lover, not an asscher cut expert. I’m not able to precisely analyze your choices and I do get confused over what is contrast and what is light loss. So really, you need those asets for any diamonds that you find beautiful. They will help so much with ensuring you get a real performer. This might rule out BN as a provider. The Adiamor is more of a bargain for price v stats than it is a star performer; but would love to see it’s aset.
 
Oh and as for the royal asscher, my understanding is that they all perform very well because they are precision cut to the same angles. The design has extra facets that increases light return. I would buy a royal asscher without seeing it. Kind of like buying a pedigree puppy without wondering what it will look like.
 
Matthews1127 said:
Example of “don’t judge a diamond by its Certificate”:
JA 1.80EVVS2
45DB1DC0-70D0-4548-BD56-DA6CA7D67E55.png
56E41D62-62FA-47A1-950E-15F2E82793E9.png
This diamond’s table% is greater than it’s depth%.
It’s actually quite nice, and does not have a completely dead center because it is cut well; its pavilion angles & crown angles are complimentary, and rescue it from being a potential disaster.
However, you’ll notice the dark square circling the center.
ASET required for comparison, and to rule out.
(More to follow)
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I'm not usually a fan of large tables on asschers, but this one may have potential. Nice find!
 
 
Matthews1127 said:
Shout out to @ILikeShiny!!! Great work finding so many!!! These are not so abundant (at least not the really good ones!)!!!
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Thanks!

I'm still really loving the one from IDJ. Something about it just sings to me...

Of course, I lust after this one on a weekly basis. I have no idea how much it costs, but oh my word its beauty.... :geek2:
 
Thanks for all the valuable insights and recommendations! I really liked the Adiamor (2.2ct, G, VS2) and the James Allen recs.

Unfortunately, Adiamor does not have any ASETs or other images so I’m putting it as a backup for now.
James Allen is sending ASETs which I’ll share here.

I was torn by the IDJ, because of some of the inclusions/marks on the front. However, I scheduled an appointment in their showroom and also requested an ASET image for that one. Might also swing by the DiamondsByLauren showroom while I'm at it.

Thanks for the additional BN choices @OoohShiny. While I'm putting the BN diamonds as a backup since they don’t provide ASET images, I really liked some of those and submitted them for eye-clean check to their vault manager.

@ILikeShiny - Also wow! That gem concepts one you shared is beautiful in those pictures. And very likely out of price range.

For the Royal Asscher on ebay, what defines it as a royal asscher - is it in the GIA certificate? I think I saw in another thread that something is inscribed into the stone?
 
shinee77 said:
Thanks for all the valuable insights and recommendations! I really liked the Adiamor (2.2ct, G, VS2) and the James Allen recs.

Unfortunately, Adiamor does not have any ASETs or other images so I’m putting it as a backup for now.
James Allen is sending ASETs which I’ll share here.

I was torn by the IDJ, because of some of the inclusions/marks on the front. However, I scheduled an appointment in their showroom and also requested an ASET image for that one. Might also swing by the DiamondsByLauren showroom while I'm at it.

Thanks for the additional BN choices @OoohShiny. While I'm putting the BN diamonds as a backup since they don’t provide ASET images, I really liked some of those and submitted them for eye-clean check to their vault manager.

@ILikeShiny - Also wow! That gem concepts one you shared is beautiful in those pictures. And very likely out of price range.

For the Royal Asscher on ebay, what defines it as a royal asscher - is it in the GIA certificate? I think I saw in another thread that something is inscribed into the stone?
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Royal asscher is a branded cut. You can read the company website. It comes with royal asscher certification.
 
ILikeShiny said:
Thanks!

I'm still really loving the one from IDJ. Something about it just sings to me...

Of course, I lust after this one on a weekly basis. I have no idea how much it costs, but oh my word its beauty.... :geek2:
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My guess would be $25000
 
shinee77 said:
Thanks for all the valuable insights and recommendations! I really liked the Adiamor (2.2ct, G, VS2) and the James Allen recs.

Unfortunately, Adiamor does not have any ASETs or other images so I’m putting it as a backup for now.
James Allen is sending ASETs which I’ll share here.

I was torn by the IDJ, because of some of the inclusions/marks on the front. However, I scheduled an appointment in their showroom and also requested an ASET image for that one. Might also swing by the DiamondsByLauren showroom while I'm at it.

Thanks for the additional BN choices @OoohShiny. While I'm putting the BN diamonds as a backup since they don’t provide ASET images, I really liked some of those and submitted them for eye-clean check to their vault manager.

@ILikeShiny - Also wow! That gem concepts one you shared is beautiful in those pictures. And very likely out of price range.

For the Royal Asscher on ebay, what defines it as a royal asscher - is it in the GIA certificate? I think I saw in another thread that something is inscribed into the stone?
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I'm glad to hear that you'll be visiting IDJ in person. Are you working with Yekutiel? He's a real gem and is great about giving you all the information you need and doing what he can to get you a diamond you love. I'm a bit jealous you get to see that asscher in person :kiss2:

BN is always so tricky because they don't do ASETs and don't really provide additional images, so it's a bit of a crap shoot. But, if you have the time to send them back and forth until you find one you like it might be a good option.

Royal Asscher is actually a company, and the original designer of the asscher cut. In fact, they are the ONLY diamonds allowed to be called asschers; everything else is technically a square-cut emerald. They cut to exact specifications and you can be assured that a RA diamond will be gorgeous. Also, the GIA certificate will specifically note that it is engraved with the Royal Asscher ID number and it should also come with a RA certificate (as shown in the eBay listing).
 
scarsmum said:
My guess would be $25000
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I'm thinking possibly closer to 35-40K, based on it being a super white and clear D/VVS2 (and, of course, cut by Yoram...). I'm too chicken to ask :lol-2:

Eta: I just did a quick search and I found a few (generic) D/VVS2 asschers just over 2cts and they were already 26-30K :eek2:
 
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scarsmum said:
My guess would be $25000
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That was also my thinking!

EDIT: Ilikeshiny may be nearer the mark... lol

@shinee77 - do go to both IDJ and DbL! DbL stocks Octavias so you must see those in real life! Call both of them in advance and mention you are on Pricescope so they know what sort of quality they need to pull out ;))


The Royal Asschers have five pavilion and five crown steps, which I think is the basis of their copyright!
 
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I received the ASET images from JA. They also ranked them based on their own gemologists' opinion:

It will be a hard decision for sure, as they are all beautiful. However, after looking at all four diamonds carefully, I ranked them by overall performance based on the videos and the ASET images.
1- https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.80-carat-e-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-4389022
2- https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.72-carat-g-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-613248
The first two are the best performers for sure. They would be very similar in person for sure.

3- https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.90-carat-g-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5361623
This one does not have as strong of light performance as the first two. It is still beautiful, but for the price, I do not think it would be your best value.

4- https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.76-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4267603
This diamond is the weakest performer. Since 613248 is similar in price, it would be safe to say that 613248 would be your best value between the two diamonds priced in the $13,000 range.

Based on the ASET images, 4389022 and 613248 are the winners. My best advise to watch the videos of these two diamonds. Is there one that stands out to you more? Finding the perfect diamond is about gathering all of the facts, but when it comes to the final decision, which one do you like the most and would be most excited to give?
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1- https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.80-carat-e-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-4389022
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2- https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.72-carat-g-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-613248
613248.jpg
3- https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.90-carat-g-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5361623
5361623.jpg
4- https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.76-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4267603
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Any tips on how you differentiate the ASETs would be appreciated as well!
 
97DBEE5E-E514-465C-AFD7-D33AA3F38A89.jpeg Number one is strong except for those two dead black facets. Here a general guide to looking at the asets. Different scopes in different lighting will account for some of the dull or bright elements so just focus on looking firstly for white or black areas (not good) and then secondly on the remaining colors. I do wonder if you could do better but number one is a pretty strong diamond.
 
Well perhaps I should say it’s sting except for the facets near the center.
 
Weakness of diamond one IMO - large table including larger than the depth, short looking crown.
 
I like #2 & #4, of those above. They are consistent across the stone, there’s contrast in the center, but no leakage. These will both be bright, and at least flash, on just about every angle & tilt.
Not the greatest, but certainly not bad.
#1 has dead steps in the center; very disappointing. Would be the top contender out of this bunch, if not for that!
This is why these visuals are so necessary!!
Edit: I’d keep looking!!!
 
Got it! I'll definitely spend a bit more time looking. And I'm curious to see all of what IDJ and DbL has in stock. The Octavias look great - will have to figure out my girlfriend's preference since it's visually quite different.
 
shinee77 said:
Got it! I'll definitely spend a bit more time looking. And I'm curious to see all of what IDJ and DbL has in stock. The Octavias look great - will have to figure out my girlfriend's preference since it's visually quite different.
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The Octavia will be more expensive, and you will likely have to go down in carat wt, BUT the 3D view of that baby, and the cut design alone makes up for what you lose in wt of the stone!! You can drop to H color, and not tell the difference in an Octavia, like you would in a traditional Asscher.
 
Beautiful comparison:

 
Yep, I’d keep looking. Those ASETS don’t impress me enough. Not enough color variation and too much leakage. That being said, you might find that the diamond you love in person only as an “ok” ASET; step-cuts are super tricky and their personality can’t always be captured with an ASET. Trust your eyes... that’s what’s most important!

Can’t wait to see what IDJ and DBL have!
 
This is helpful reading. Before you go to DBL, or IDJ, be sure to acquire this information.
Karl Keith is the author of this article. He and Yoram Finkelstein of GemConcepts, LTD designed & Cut the first ever Octavia Diamond. DBL has the Octavia, and KK is a vendor through DBL.
When you go to DBL, ask for Karl & tell him not only that you’re a PS’er, but that I recommended you. ;)2
He knows who I am by screen name; he’s the one who shared this article with me.
Enjoy!! :read:

https://www.pricescope.com/journal/performance-and-p3-facets-discussion-about-step-cut-diamonds
 
shinee77 said:
@ILikeShiny Actually, visiting both IDJ and DbL this afternoon. Hoping to differentiate better when seeing the diamonds in person!
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Ace! :))

Do make sure to see the Octavias at DbL - I have no chance of seeing one where I am so I need to live vicariously and know what you think ;) lol :D
 
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