Help with IdealScope image

[justdeb__]

Hi! Could someone take a look at below IS image and advise their thoughts? TIA!

.91/I/EX/VVS1/$4370
Depth 61.8%
Table 55%
CA 34
PA 40.6
Symmetry & Polish EX

 

[tanalasta]

Umm... why would you want to pay for a VVS1, yet go down on colour and cut? It just doesn’t make sense.

That’s got to be one of the most wonky unattractive IS images i’ve seen here for a whike

 

[LuvTheGlitter]

Umm... why would you want to pay for a VVS1, yet go down on colour and cut? It just doesn’t make sense.

I agree, but would have said it with a bit more tact.

That’s got to be one of the most wonky unattractive IS images i’ve seen here for a whike

And I don’t know if I’d go so far as THAT, but I’ve seen better.
I’m surprised that stone got an EX symmetry rating.

 

[justdeb__]

Umm... why would you want to pay for a VVS1, yet go down on colour and cut? It just doesn’t make sense.

That’s got to be one of the most wonky unattractive IS images i’ve seen here for a whike

Thanks for the feedback, although a simple “don’t recommend, move on” would’ve sufficed just the same

 

[flyingpig]

I am not liking what I see around the edges.

 

[justdeb__]

I agree, but would have said it with a bit more tact.


And I don’t know if I’d go so far as THAT, but I’ve seen better.
I’m surprised that stone got an EX symmetry rating.

Thanks for the feedback! Someone linked this stone on my other thread as an alternative to a True Hearts one that I have on hold. On paper, this stone “appeared” passable but I still had my concerns, hence why I requested for IS. I’m no expert and have no idea how to read these things so I turned to PS for insight. Truly grateful a community like PS exists for us newbies to seek advice, free from judgment

 

[tanalasta]

Apologies ... iPhone replies in the middle of the night sometimes are not conducive to tact!

The light return is okay. After all, it looks mostly "red". But it's far from perfect. There are areas of light leakage and the symmetry is rather poor. It exemplifies how even within the GIA "excellent" there is quite a lot of leeway. We tend to see all those lovely IS images on PS so perhaps I got taken aback by seeing one that wasn't a super ideal!

This stone is on the lower end of the cut, symmetry grade that it is in. I would suggest passing unless the price point requires the compromise.

I do stand by my comment that VVS1 doesn't make sense - you're paying a significant price premium that could be had towards a large stone, colour or cut.

 

[rockysalamander]

I'm sorry this IS did not turn out. If I recommended this one, I'm sorry its disappointing. Even with rounds that are a bit more 'mathematical' to select, it can take patience. Assuming your criteria are the same (biggest possible, I color and above, $5800, eye-clean), I took another look for you. I found a few more to consider.

Additional Options
https://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond..._round-EX-GIA-I-VS1-diamond-stock-16427-cert- {This is a large stone at 6.6 mm with a VS1. Really good ASET. I like this for size and the higher clarity you prefer}

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3646312.htm {1.013 I SI1. Just $200 over budget, but this gets you over 1 carat and a good size at 6.48 mm. Eyeclean. The inclusion is off to the edge of the table}.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3950131.htm {1.01 I VS2. The inclusion is near invisible. This would be a good choice if the SI bothers you in a mind-clean way. 6.39 mm}
**I would ask WF gemologist to pull both of these and compare them for you. Which has a 'higher' I color and which has better inclusion invisibility? I like these better for you budget if you are ok with dropping the clarity grade.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4342756 {I like a lot about this diamond in terms of the numbers. But, I think the IS will show varying pavilion angles similar to the one posted above.}

https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/knd77v-0.923-i-si1-ideal-hearts-arrows-round {super-ideal, 0.923 I SI1. Very pretty. Safely in budget. 6.23 mm).
https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/dzdunu-1.015-j-si1-ideal-hearts-arrows-round {gets you over 1 carat, but drops color to J. This is very well cut, but the body color might not suit}

Previously posted
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-i-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-4389084 {crystal under the table may be too visible for some, but at VS1 it should really not be visible, but good IS images. great angles and light return} -- ON HOLD??
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3936450.htm {.916 I VS1 super-ideal. Nice small table}
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3520058.htm {.922 H VS2, super-ideal. Great light return}

 

[justdeb__]

I'm sorry this IS did not turn out. If I recommended this one, I'm sorry its disappointing. Even with rounds that are a bit more 'mathematical' to select, it can take patience. Assuming your criteria are the same (biggest possible, I color and above, $5800, eye-clean), I took another look for you. I found a few more to consider.

Additional Options
https://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond..._round-EX-GIA-I-VS1-diamond-stock-16427-cert- {This is a large stone at 6.6 mm with a VS1. Really good ASET. I like this for size and the higher clarity you prefer}

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3646312.htm {1.013 I SI1. Just $200 over budget, but this gets you over 1 carat and a good size at 6.48 mm. Eyeclean. The inclusion is off to the edge of the table}.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3950131.htm {1.01 I VS2. The inclusion is near invisible. This would be a good choice if the SI bothers you in a mind-clean way. 6.39 mm}
**I would ask WF gemologist to pull both of these and compare them for you. Which has a 'higher' I color and which has better inclusion invisibility? I like these better for you budget if you are ok with dropping the clarity grade.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4342756 {I like a lot about this diamond in terms of the numbers. But, I think the IS will show varying pavilion angles similar to the one posted above.}

https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/knd77v-0.923-i-si1-ideal-hearts-arrows-round {super-ideal, 0.923 I SI1. Very pretty. Safely in budget. 6.23 mm).
https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/dzdunu-1.015-j-si1-ideal-hearts-arrows-round {gets you over 1 carat, but drops color to J. This is very well cut, but the body color might not suit}

Previously posted
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-i-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-4389084 {crystal under the table may be too visible for some, but at VS1 it should really not be visible, but good IS images. great angles and light return} -- ON HOLD??
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3936450.htm {.916 I VS1 super-ideal. Nice small table}
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3520058.htm {.922 H VS2, super-ideal. Great light return}

Thanks for all the lovely suggestions! The True Hearts stone that you pointed out that is “ON HOLD” is for me

We were going to make our purchase today but was briefly second guessing our decision as others have pointed out that the price may be overinflated due to v-day. However, after some more research, I think we are satisfied with our decision and the price seemed fair and within our budget. Size wasn’t really an issue. We just wanted a beautiful stone that was within our budget — brownie points if below.

I just want to extend my gratitude to everyone on this forum and completely floored by all the feedback! You guys truly rock, pun intended

 

[TreeScientist]

I'm sorry this IS did not turn out. If I recommended this one, I'm sorry its disappointing.

No @rockysalamander, I was the one who recommended that one. It seemed great for the price, but as you said, even if the angles all seem complementary the diamond may still turn out to have its issues. That's why everyone on this site recommends getting the IdealScope image prior to purchasing (Which you did, so kudos to you! ).

I would say the IdealScope is not the worst, but there is definitely something going on with the symmetry. Given that IdealScope, I would say the True Hearts you selected is the better option. The main thing that matters is that you're happy with your decision, so congrats on the purchase.

Remind me though, was there a reason you absolutely needed to purchase before V-Day? There may be a bigger selection to choose from in the range you selected if you wait a month, as the ever-popular 0.5-1 carat size range is very picked over right now since it's the end of the V-Day rush.

Edited to add: I'm a fan of the 0.91 carat WF option posted by @rockysalamander. With the price increase to $5700 for the JA stone you selected, I think going up by $100 to get a super-ideal from WhiteFlash is a no-brainer, and I'm usually the first one on this site to question the necessity of super-ideal vs ideal. If the JA stone had remained at $5000 then I would've suggested sticking with it over the WF ($800 is a big chuck of change for a ever-so-slight increase in cut quality), but at only $100 difference that changes the story completely.

 

[justdeb__]

No @rockysalamander, I was the one who recommended that one. It seemed great for the price, but as you said, even if the angles all seem complementary the diamond may still turn out to have its issues. That's why everyone on this site recommends getting the IdealScope image prior to purchasing (Which you did, so kudos to you! ).

I would say the IdealScope is not the worst, but there is definitely something going on with the symmetry. Given that IdealScope, I would say the True Hearts you selected is the better option. The main thing that matters is that you're happy with your decision, so congrats on the purchase.

Remind me though, was there a reason you absolutely needed to purchase before V-Day? There may be a bigger selection to choose from in the range you selected if you wait a month, as the ever-popular 0.5-1 carat size range is very picked over right now since it's the end of the V-Day rush.

Edited to add: I'm a fan of the 0.91 carat WF option posted by @rockysalamander. With the price increase to $5700 for the JA stone you selected, I think going up by $100 to get a super-ideal from WhiteFlash is a no-brainer, and I'm usually the first one on this site to question the necessity of super-ideal vs ideal. If the JA stone had remained at $5000 then I would've suggested sticking with it over the WF ($800 is a big chuck of change for a ever-so-slight increase in cut quality), but at only $100 difference that changes the story completely.

Sorry if my previous post was confusing. We bit the bullet and decided on the JA True Hearts 0.92ct. The price we ended up paying was $5040.

Before placing on hold, I saved the item to my JA wishlist. After placing on hold, I went back to my wishlist to compare to others I saved and saw the price jumped to $5790. I panicked, thinking we had been duped. I checked the hold confirmation email right away and it was quoted as $5040 so I didn’t question further. Just thought it strange and assumed we caught a good deal.

As someone previously pointed out, which I didn’t realize before, the AGS cert was dated 1/31/18. @rockysalamander tipped me off to the listing on JA less than a week after the cert date, so it appeared to be newly listed. After comparing to some WF ideals with similar Cs, the JA was still the better value, taking into account the 25% off setting.

And no, there was no particular reason to purchase before v-day except to take advantage of the 25% off promo lol. We were seesawing back and forth and wanted some reassurance to make sure we weren’t jumping the gun, hence the post. Didn’t even realize the correlation between v-day, inventory, and diamond prices until after joining PScope a few days ago! That’s how newb we are

 

[TreeScientist]

Sorry if my previous post was confusing. We bit the bullet and decided on the JA True Hearts 0.92ct. The price we ended up paying was $5040.

Before placing on hold, I saved the item to my JA wishlist. After placing on hold, I went back to my wishlist to compare to others I saved and saw the price jumped to $5790. I freaked out a bit and immediately checked the hold confirmation email and it was quoted as $5040 so I didn’t question further. Just thought it strange and assumed we caught a good deal.

As someone previously pointed out, which I didn’t realize before, the AGS cert was dated 1/31/18. @rockysalamander tipped me off to the listing on JA less than a week after the cert date, so it appeared to be newly listed. After comparing to some WF ideals with similar Cs, the JA was still the better value, taking into account the 25% off setting.

And no, there was no particular reason to purchase before v-day except to take advantage of the 25% off promo lol. We were seesawing back and forth and wanted some reassurance to make sure we weren’t jumping the gun, hence the post. Didn’t even realize the correlation between v-day, inventory, and diamond prices until after joining PScope a few days ago! That’s how newb we are

Ah, in that case, I think you got a great deal! Glad you were able to lock in that price when you reserved it. $5040 for the diamond you selected is more than a fair! You lucked out that @rockysalamander helped you find that stone so soon after it was listed, as the great deals move fast this time of year.

Enjoy your diamond and post pictures when it arrives!

 

[justdeb__]

Thank you!! Seriously, big kudos to @rockysalamander

This forum never ceases to amaze me and so happy to have stumbled upon it in our search for our ring

 

[rockysalamander]

Glad you found a winner! Can't wait for hand shots.