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ArnoldP

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Hey all, new to these forums. I was wondering if you all could help me pick a loose diamond. I am looking for a good quality round cut diamond in the 1.25 carat range. Is Whiteflash ACA the way to go? Should I consider Hearts on Fire? Any other better options? Which of the following would you recommend I purchase:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/whiteflash-aca-cut-diamond-2145426.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/whiteflash-aca-cut-diamond-2219627.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/whiteflash-aca-cut-diamond-2275602.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/whiteflash-aca-cut-diamond-2275599.htm

Are they good choices? Any help would be greatly appreciate!! Thank you in advance.
 
These all look like great choices. And, yes, I think you will find ACA''s equivalent to Heart''s on Fire in performance, just much less in price.
 
Thank you for the responses! Any thoughts on which one of those would be the best choice? I am most interested in the sparkle of the diamond.
 
You need to call whiteflash and make sure these stones are eye-clean. You could have them talk you through the
2 stones they have in stock but I believe the other 2 stones without pictures would have to be called in.

EDIT - after second look maybe those other 2 are in stock and they just dont have the photos up yet. Ask them to
send you photos of the 2 stones (the bottom 2 links).
 
Dumb question, but do I just ask them if it is eye clean or how do I know?
 
Date: 3/11/2010 10:35:17 PM
Author: ArnoldP
Dumb question, but do I just ask them if it is eye clean or how do I know?
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Yes. Their website inclused a definition of eye clean by their standards. You can tell them your own standards: for example, I don''t want to see anythig from any distance etc.
 
All the ACAs are cut well and are very similar. I''d probably pick 1.23ct G SI1 because the the inclusions are off to the side.

But I really would ask WF to give me their opinion and go with that because they can look at them all together and compare.
 
Ok, so I am thinking I am definitely going to go with one of these 4. Any other recomendations on which one???
 
Date: 3/10/2010 10:49:26 PM
Author:ArnoldP
Hey all, new to these forums. I was wondering if you all could help me pick a loose diamond. I am looking for a good quality round cut diamond in the 1.25 carat range. Is Whiteflash ACA the way to go? Should I consider Hearts on Fire? Any other better options? Which of the following would you recommend I purchase:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/whiteflash-aca-cut-diamond-2145426.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/whiteflash-aca-cut-diamond-2219627.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/whiteflash-aca-cut-diamond-2275602.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/whiteflash-aca-cut-diamond-2275599.htm

Are they good choices? Any help would be greatly appreciate!! Thank you in advance.
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It is between these two in my book. The first two have table inclusions, which while they may not be visible would still bug me. The highlighted ones have inclusions that are off to the sides. I would call WF and ask which one is better and which is more eye clean.
 
Any other thoughts on these four? Am I better off going with a smaller stone with less inclusions?
 
I am no expecrt at all but I like the third one the best- looks like it has the most sparkle to me and looks very eye clean based on pics. good luck!
 
Date: 3/17/2010 9:33:21 PM
Author: ArnoldP
Any other thoughts on these four? Am I better off going with a smaller stone with less inclusions?
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We are nit picking about inclusions because these diamond are all so good. You will not be able to see them in real life most likely. If you want a smaller diamond it is up to you!
 
I think the two that Dreamer highlighted look good. The ACA cut is well-respected, so you are getting a great cut, which is important. But only you can decide if your gf would rather have a slightly smaller carat weight with fewer inclusions over a larger carat weight with some inclusions. Have you checked with Whiteflash to see if these are eye clean? (I didn''t read the whole thread).
 
Date: 3/17/2010 9:33:21 PM
Author: ArnoldP
Any other thoughts on these four? Am I better off going with a smaller stone with less inclusions?
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That is a matter of opinion. If it was me, I would go for higher clarity.
 
ditto - matter of opinion.
 
If these are verified eyeclean and you are ok with SI clarity then no need to go higher.
 
Thank you for all the help so far! Another dumb question, but besides being able to see inclusions with the naked eye what else is bad about them? So for example if a stone is eye clean and you could not see the inclusions, do they interefere with the sparkle of the diamond?
 
Date: 3/18/2010 8:20:09 AM
Author: ArnoldP
Thank you for all the help so far! Another dumb question, but besides being able to see inclusions with the naked eye what else is bad about them? So for example if a stone is eye clean and you could not see the inclusions, do they interefere with the sparkle of the diamond?
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Realistically - no unless they're problematic clouds

Physically? Yes, of course - they're physical interferences in the optics.
 
Any interference by the inclusions would probably not be discernable by eye...unless they are clouds.
 
Date: 3/18/2010 10:05:11 AM
Author: tyty333
Any interference by the inclusions would probably not be discernable by eye...unless they are clouds.
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Ditto. In well-cut stones that have been labeled eye clean by the vendor, the amount of inclusions you're comfortable with often comes down to a "mind clean" issue rather than a performance issue.

When I bought my first diamond in the 1980's, jewelry stores made a big deal about high color and high clarity stones, and told customers that it was color and clarity that cause the stone to sparkle. Wrong. It is cut quality that controls sparkle. But high color and high clarity do influence price.

In fact, jewelry stores still do "push" high color and high clarity. I was in a store just a month or so ago, and the owner showed me a poorly cut ( a classic steep-deep stone) and said, "Notice how the beautiful color and clarity make this stone sparkle!" When I objected to the depth of the stone, she said "But the color and clarity make this an exceptional stone."

Color and clarity are personal preferences (the exception being inclusions like large clouds or feathers that break the surface, which may in fact affect brilliance or durability, respectively). Again, any vendor recommended here will be able to work with you to describe the types of inclusions in the stone and their affect on appearance and performance. It may take viewing a few stones in person to determine your personal preferences re clarity.

And I won't judge those who prefer high clarity/high color as long as they don't judge me for my lower color/lower clarity preferences
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because it is preference we're talking here.
 
I think the two dreamer highlighted would be wonderful and second Lorelei in that if WF says they are eye clean then I wouldn''t go up in clarity, IMO it''s not worth the money, unless you feel it''s necessary to have a "mind clean stone" but it''s not worth the money IMO.
 
http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds_info/t/faq.aspx?articleid=403&zoneid=6

WF defines eye clean as --

''No inclusions visible face-up at a distance of 8-10 inches in natural lighting to a person with 20/20 vision.''

It is possible to see inclusions in S1s.
 
Date: 3/18/2010 10:05:11 AM
Author: tyty333
Any interference by the inclusions would probably not be discernable by eye...unless they are clouds.
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Thritto that, it is possible that inclusions can interfere with the passage of light but it would probably take sophisticated measuring equipment to pick it up, grade making clouds need caution in SI grades but if you are working with a trusted vendor there should not be an issue.

There ARE eyeclean SI clarity stones out there, the key is to make your expectations clear to the vendor and work with one that has physical access to the diamonds.

Very useful article on diamonds and the concept of 'eyecleanliness' by Pricescope's Coatimundi,

http://journal.pricescope.com/Articles/78/1/What-is-an-Eye-Clean-Diamond--.aspx
 
Date: 3/18/2010 12:16:37 PM
Author: Firestone
http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds_info/t/faq.aspx?articleid=403&zoneid=6


WF defines eye clean as --


'No inclusions visible face-up at a distance of 8-10 inches in natural lighting to a person with 20/20 vision.'


It is possible to see inclusions in S1s.
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Yes, it is possible for some people to see inclusions in SI1's and even in some VS2's. That's why it's important to emphasize that this is a personal choice, based on a person's eyesight, the type of inclusions, and a person's own sense of what "mind clean" clarity is to them.

In my view, and in my experience with diamonds (2 VS2's, 1 SI2, and 1 I1 -- all AGS 0 RB's) clarity contains two components:
1. Visual preference, which varies from person to person.
2. Performance and durability issues, which vary from stone to stone, and are dependent on inclusion type, number, and placement.

I cannot, in good conscience, impose my personal visual preference on anyone else, but I can step in and warn a consumer if the diamond they are thinking of purchasing, sight unseen, may have some performance or durability issues due to inclusions, even if the person says the inclusions don't bother them.
 
WF will tell you if it is eye clean to *your standards* if you ask tell them what they are and ask them to assess it. They routinely now provide information about eye cleanliness at 6 inches BTW.
 
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