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Help: Very Strong Blue Fluorescent Diamond S1 Clarity

Rim

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Hello!

This is my first post here on pricescope. So I am proposing within the next two months and I absolutely love the idea of fluorescence in a Diamond. This was the video that sealed the deal for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIiCUxhLdFE

I want a diamond that does THAT. It fits the personality of my future fiance perfectly.

I am looking at a BrianGavin, so I can be sure there won't be any milkiness or haziness. Unfortunately, there's not a terribly large selection in my price range ($1000-$1500 for the diamond itself, I'm a senior university student) that are at least strong fluorescence. So this is the diamond:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.524-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104082556015#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/1/

That S1 clarity is my concern. If you look at the Aset image, you can definitely see the inclusions. I'm very new to this, so I'm curious if on a .524 carat diamond it would still be considered "eye clean?" My other concern is that the inclusions take away from the brilliance of the diamond itself. Does that happen? Any other things I should be concerned about? Thanks!
 

diamondseeker2006

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It may be eyeclean, but I think the black inclusions would bother me. James Allen has a few with FL that have better clarity or color that might be possible if you ask for idealscope or ASET images. The prices are lower if you pay by wire.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.54-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-737605

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.52-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-740321

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.60-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-541866
 

Dancing Fire

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Very nice proportions .. :love: You need to ask Brian about inclusions.
 

Sphene

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Will your loved one absolutely love the idea of fluorescence in a Diamond
 

Rim

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What effect would those inclusions have on the diamond? I'm pretty new to this. And yes, I really believe she would love it knowing her personality.
 

Rim

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diamondseeker2006|1447131743|3947605 said:
It may be eyeclean, but I think the black inclusions would bother me. James Allen has a few with FL that have better clarity or color that might be possible if you ask for idealscope or ASET images. The prices are lower if you pay by wire.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.54-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-737605

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.52-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-740321

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.60-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-541866


My only concern is the whole haziness/milkiness thing. I certainly don't have an eye for it, but when I read online it says the most trusted source for fluorescent diamonds is one from the BrianGavin Line. What are your thoughts?

Edit: I had a conversation with a Rep through Livechat and this is what I was told when I asked about the clarity.

"This diamond is eye clean from all angles and distances. Brian will reject a diamond with inclusions that negatively impact light performance so it is rare for us to have a diamond with inclusions that are visible to the naked eye. This includes SI1 and SI2 Brian Gavin Signature diamonds.”

Thoughts?
 

WinkHPD

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Rim|1447186724|3947913 said:
diamondseeker2006|1447131743|3947605 said:
It may be eyeclean, but I think the black inclusions would bother me. James Allen has a few with FL that have better clarity or color that might be possible if you ask for idealscope or ASET images. The prices are lower if you pay by wire.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.54-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-737605

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.52-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-740321

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.60-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-541866


My only concern is the whole haziness/milkiness thing. I certainly don't have an eye for it, but when I read online it says the most trusted source for fluorescent diamonds is one from the BrianGavin Line. What are your thoughts?

Edit: I had a conversation with a Rep through Livechat and this is what I was told when I asked about the clarity.

"This diamond is eye clean from all angles and distances. Brian will reject a diamond with inclusions that negatively impact light performance so it is rare for us to have a diamond with inclusions that are visible to the naked eye. This includes SI1 and SI2 Brian Gavin Signature diamonds.”

Thoughts?

My thoughts as a competitor are these. Brian has an excellent reputation, but YOU need to see this diamond with YOUR eyes to know if you like it as much as you think you will. If you do, you are golden. If you don't, Brian has an excellent return policy so you are golden.

Also, I think it highly unlikely that you will see the inclusion with your eye as the images you are looking at are somewhat magnified and thus the inclusion stands out much more than it will in a life size view.

Still, although 98% or more of my clients could not see such an inclusion, I do have a very few super sharp eyed youngsters who could. You must look with YOUR eyes to know for sure.

Wink
 

Rim

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Wink|1447191692|3947942 said:
Rim|1447186724|3947913 said:
diamondseeker2006|1447131743|3947605 said:
It may be eyeclean, but I think the black inclusions would bother me. James Allen has a few with FL that have better clarity or color that might be possible if you ask for idealscope or ASET images. The prices are lower if you pay by wire.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.54-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-737605

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.52-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-740321

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.60-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-541866


My only concern is the whole haziness/milkiness thing. I certainly don't have an eye for it, but when I read online it says the most trusted source for fluorescent diamonds is one from the BrianGavin Line. What are your thoughts?

Edit: I had a conversation with a Rep through Livechat and this is what I was told when I asked about the clarity.

"This diamond is eye clean from all angles and distances. Brian will reject a diamond with inclusions that negatively impact light performance so it is rare for us to have a diamond with inclusions that are visible to the naked eye. This includes SI1 and SI2 Brian Gavin Signature diamonds.”

Thoughts?

My thoughts as a competitor are these. Brian has an excellent reputation, but YOU need to see this diamond with YOUR eyes to know if you like it as much as you think you will. If you do, you are golden. If you don't, Brian has an excellent return policy so you are golden.

Also, I think it highly unlikely that you will see the inclusion with your eye as the images you are looking at are somewhat magnified and thus the inclusion stands out much more than it will in a life size view.

Still, although 98% or more of my clients could not see such an inclusion, I do have a very few super sharp eyed youngsters who could. You must look with YOUR eyes to know for sure.

Wink

I understand. I want the ring engraved though, so I'm not sure how that affects the return policy. Good question to ask them.
 

WinkHPD

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Rim|1447192468|3947950 said:
Wink|1447191692|3947942 said:
Rim|1447186724|3947913 said:
diamondseeker2006|1447131743|3947605 said:
It may be eyeclean, but I think the black inclusions would bother me. James Allen has a few with FL that have better clarity or color that might be possible if you ask for idealscope or ASET images. The prices are lower if you pay by wire.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.54-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-737605

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.52-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-740321

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.60-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-541866


My only concern is the whole haziness/milkiness thing. I certainly don't have an eye for it, but when I read online it says the most trusted source for fluorescent diamonds is one from the BrianGavin Line. What are your thoughts?

Edit: I had a conversation with a Rep through Livechat and this is what I was told when I asked about the clarity.

"This diamond is eye clean from all angles and distances. Brian will reject a diamond with inclusions that negatively impact light performance so it is rare for us to have a diamond with inclusions that are visible to the naked eye. This includes SI1 and SI2 Brian Gavin Signature diamonds.”

Thoughts?

My thoughts as a competitor are these. Brian has an excellent reputation, but YOU need to see this diamond with YOUR eyes to know if you like it as much as you think you will. If you do, you are golden. If you don't, Brian has an excellent return policy so you are golden.

Also, I think it highly unlikely that you will see the inclusion with your eye as the images you are looking at are somewhat magnified and thus the inclusion stands out much more than it will in a life size view.

Still, although 98% or more of my clients could not see such an inclusion, I do have a very few super sharp eyed youngsters who could. You must look with YOUR eyes to know for sure.

Wink

I understand. I want the ring engraved though, so I'm not sure how that affects the return policy. Good question to ask them.

Sigh. Then why not look at the diamond before you have it mounted? Or buy the ring without having it engraved and then either ship it back for engraving or have it engraved locally?

We can not give you a good answer without YOU seeing the diamond. It makes no difference what anyone here says if you do not like the diamond when you finally see it.

Wink
 

Rim

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Wink|1447192642|3947951 said:
Rim|1447192468|3947950 said:
Wink|1447191692|3947942 said:
Rim|1447186724|3947913 said:
diamondseeker2006|1447131743|3947605 said:
It may be eyeclean, but I think the black inclusions would bother me. James Allen has a few with FL that have better clarity or color that might be possible if you ask for idealscope or ASET images. The prices are lower if you pay by wire.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.54-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-737605

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.52-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-740321

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.60-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-541866


My only concern is the whole haziness/milkiness thing. I certainly don't have an eye for it, but when I read online it says the most trusted source for fluorescent diamonds is one from the BrianGavin Line. What are your thoughts?

Edit: I had a conversation with a Rep through Livechat and this is what I was told when I asked about the clarity.

"This diamond is eye clean from all angles and distances. Brian will reject a diamond with inclusions that negatively impact light performance so it is rare for us to have a diamond with inclusions that are visible to the naked eye. This includes SI1 and SI2 Brian Gavin Signature diamonds.”

Thoughts?

My thoughts as a competitor are these. Brian has an excellent reputation, but YOU need to see this diamond with YOUR eyes to know if you like it as much as you think you will. If you do, you are golden. If you don't, Brian has an excellent return policy so you are golden.

Also, I think it highly unlikely that you will see the inclusion with your eye as the images you are looking at are somewhat magnified and thus the inclusion stands out much more than it will in a life size view.

Still, although 98% or more of my clients could not see such an inclusion, I do have a very few super sharp eyed youngsters who could. You must look with YOUR eyes to know for sure.

Wink

I understand. I want the ring engraved though, so I'm not sure how that affects the return policy. Good question to ask them.

Sigh. Then why not look at the diamond before you have it mounted? Or buy the ring without having it engraved and then either ship it back for engraving or have it engraved locally?

We can not give you a good answer without YOU seeing the diamond. It makes no difference what anyone here says if you do not like the diamond when you finally see it.

Wink

I understand and I didn't mean to annoy. I'm fairly new to this and ideas like having it engraved locally I would have never thought of. I appreciate the feedback it's very helpful.
 

WinkHPD

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Rim|1447193409|3947959 said:
Wink|1447192642|3947951 said:
Rim|1447192468|3947950 said:
Wink|1447191692|3947942 said:
Rim|1447186724|3947913 said:
diamondseeker2006|1447131743|3947605 said:
It may be eyeclean, but I think the black inclusions would bother me. James Allen has a few with FL that have better clarity or color that might be possible if you ask for idealscope or ASET images. The prices are lower if you pay by wire.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.54-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-737605

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.52-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-740321

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.60-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-541866


My only concern is the whole haziness/milkiness thing. I certainly don't have an eye for it, but when I read online it says the most trusted source for fluorescent diamonds is one from the BrianGavin Line. What are your thoughts?

Edit: I had a conversation with a Rep through Livechat and this is what I was told when I asked about the clarity.

"This diamond is eye clean from all angles and distances. Brian will reject a diamond with inclusions that negatively impact light performance so it is rare for us to have a diamond with inclusions that are visible to the naked eye. This includes SI1 and SI2 Brian Gavin Signature diamonds.”

Thoughts?

My thoughts as a competitor are these. Brian has an excellent reputation, but YOU need to see this diamond with YOUR eyes to know if you like it as much as you think you will. If you do, you are golden. If you don't, Brian has an excellent return policy so you are golden.

Also, I think it highly unlikely that you will see the inclusion with your eye as the images you are looking at are somewhat magnified and thus the inclusion stands out much more than it will in a life size view.

Still, although 98% or more of my clients could not see such an inclusion, I do have a very few super sharp eyed youngsters who could. You must look with YOUR eyes to know for sure.

Wink

I understand. I want the ring engraved though, so I'm not sure how that affects the return policy. Good question to ask them.

Sigh. Then why not look at the diamond before you have it mounted? Or buy the ring without having it engraved and then either ship it back for engraving or have it engraved locally?

We can not give you a good answer without YOU seeing the diamond. It makes no difference what anyone here says if you do not like the diamond when you finally see it.

Wink

I understand and I didn't mean to annoy. I'm fairly new to this and ideas like having it engraved locally I would have never thought of. I appreciate the feedback it's very helpful.

That was actually meant to come across as being said with humor, not annoyance. I must remember to make sure it can not be misinterpreted.

When you have been here for a while, I suspect you will know that I love trying to be humorous. It is sad that I so often fail...

Wink
 

Texas Leaguer

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Rim,
A few comments to address your concerns. First, I don't think engraving the ring would necessarily void your return privilege on the diamond. Check with the vendor to clarify the policy.

Second, in a diamond of this size an Si1 inclusions are not likely to be visible to the naked eye, even a black crystal under the table.

Third, milkiness is naturally a concern in a strong or very strong fluoro diamond. However, except for direct sunlight or when observing very close to a fluorescent light source, the UV light in the vast majority of real world viewing environments is of insufficient intensity to activate the fluoro effect. Therefore, transparency deficits due solely to fluorescence, even if present, will be very rarely observed in real life.

Lastly, I actually think the clarity grade being based upon a couple of crystals is significantly better than if the stone were to have twinning wisps, graining, clouds or other light scattering features commonly seen in fluoro diamonds. From my experience those features contribute or can be confused with the milkiness often associated with fluoro. Whether they are entirely independent or tend to somehow reinforce one another, I am not certain. But you are better off if they are not present.

When you see the stone in person you will be able to satisfy yourself that the stone is crisp and brilliant and that it is eye clean to your standards.
 

Rim

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@Wink - No problem! And smiley faces help! :) Thank you for the advice.

@Texas Leauger - Thank you for the detailed explanation. That helps a lot. I appreciate it!
 
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